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At 01:48 AM 11/19/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:
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At 13:14 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
warfare. The reality is that the british
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At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
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leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
Yes, it's
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:18 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
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I never said that they were MY enemy.
'The Muslims'
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central leadership. This is a bit like
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:48 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
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At 14:11 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:57 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
Well, they have enough non-central leadership to all be against Israel and
the US. And to have been at war against the Israelies since Bible times...
OK, Mike, this is a good example of the kind of facts that lead to fairly
easy (though erroneous) conclusions.
Let's have some history here.
Mike Diehl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:57 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea
that we
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On Tuesday 19 November 2002 02:25 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
Mike Diehl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
If I might ask, if they had suffered light casualties, why were they
in retreat?
They were exhausted and outnumbered (the redcoats
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At 15:57 -0500 on 11/19/02, Trei, Peter wrote:
Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
warfare. The reality is that the british were marching in formation
for
At 14:06 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
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On Tuesday 19 November 2002 03:30 pm, Jim Dixon wrote:
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312
Chomsky is a liar. His citations are mostly fraudulent, and he
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
Let's have some history here. The Muslims have not been at war against the
Israelites since Biblical times. That is completely wrong. Hell, there
haven't been any Israelites for nearly two millenia.
More to the point, there were no Muslims in
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, peter zulu wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 12:40:26AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 10:48:37PM -0500, Dave Emery wrote:
I might hasten to add that as I am sure Declan knows, this
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Tim is absolutely right -- we need a new Timmy McVeigh everyday. The
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On Monday 18 November 2002 04:03 pm, Eric Cordian wrote:
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At 01:02 PM 11/18/2002 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
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On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
These aren't meant as rhetorical I'm making a really good point
questions, but actual questions. Depending on your answer, I wonder
how you feel about the WTC (along with a few thousand people) getting
taken out by an American
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as an
At 10:42 AM -0800 11/15/02, Sunder wrote:
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earlier set up e-golb.com and attempted the same kind of spoof.
FWIW, I got one of the e-gold letters. I
At 02:27 PM 11/18/2002 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 10:42 AM -0800 11/15/02, Sunder wrote:
What's disturbing about this is that we are on someone's list as e-gold
customers or something, and this is very likely the same spoofer that had
earlier set up e-golb.com and attempted the same kind of
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 02:58 PM, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Monday 18 November 2002 07:24 pm, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Ray wrote:
It's been a number of years since Jim Bell wrote his infamous
Assassination Politics essay. If someone were to try to implement
the
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Sunder wrote:
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not
bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what
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All of your comments are very reasonable. I agree with most of them.
However, I have to take issue with your comments on drugs and employment, and
how we have hurt the Afghan people.
As to drugs and employment. I'm glad to see that you recognized that a
programer, like myself, has far fewer
I'm sitting here, late, waiting to go out to my hot tub to catch the
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If the topic interests you, the usual searching around will find the
Everything list. It's a quiet
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler, etcetera, from current issue of wired.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/holytech.html
I would say we are all in the midst of
So there's plenty of meat for conspiracy theory for a long time to come
Dave Emory has documented possible links between McVeigh and neo-fascist
groups. Search through http://www.spitfirelist.com/.
He also extensively documents connections between the Bush family and the
bin Ladens
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KK wired article on TOE etc
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:48:40 -0800
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as just noted by TCM, kevin kelly on a computational/algorithmic TOE,
wolfram, wheeler,
If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC.
These are probably the same arguments used by our state department, and I
have to take exception with them. US involvement with the middle
At 01:48 AM 11/19/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And of course Wolfram's book is a big seller. I won't comment, except that
I see no particularly strong evidence that he has changed the way science
is done, or will be done. Others
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 08:26 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
If we left them alone, we'd be in constant
fear of various types of terrorism funded by many governments in that
region. We'd always be a hostage to OPEC.
These are probably the same arguments used by our state
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bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited
up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be
heroic.
That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as an
Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds only
remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we do, we
simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I either decide to
not play, or I cheat. For the US, the first isn't an option.
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:59 am, Tyler Durden wrote:
Granted. I wish we could go back to isolationism, but as the worlds
only remaining Super Power, that seems unlikely. No matter what we
do, we simply can't win. When faced with a game I can't win, I
either
At 13:14 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
warfare. The reality is that the british
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:18 pm, Trei, Peter wrote:
If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
then you have a problem.
I never said that they were MY enemy.
'The Muslims'
are not a monolithic group, and have no
central leadership. This is a bit like
At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
who want to be able to control their own destinies, select their own
leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
Yes, it's just a new form of warfare. During the
On Tuesday 19 November 2002 01:02 pm, Kevin Elliott wrote:
Correction in the interest of historical accuracy. The idea that we
succeeded in the revolutionary war by inventing a new form of
warfare. The reality is that the british were marching in formation
for very, very
Mike Diehl[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes
[much snippage]
. No, I think the Muslims need to back down, or be forced to.
[more snippage]
If you think 'the Muslims' are your enemy,
then you have a problem. 'The Muslims'
are not a monolithic group, and
Kevin Elliott[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
At 10:37 -0700 on 11/19/02, Mike Diehl wrote:
Unfortunately, terrorism is probably a predictable response by people
who want to be able to control their own destinies, select their own
leaders and forms of goivernment and so on.
Yes, it's
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On 19 Nov 2002 at 12:02, Kevin Elliott wrote:
If you read between the lines of US history, you'll discover
that America did not begin to succeed in the war until late
in the war when the troops had become better trained and
disciplined.
This is not my interpretation. Rather, the
Mikey:
I would suggest tangling with Chomsky for a bit. Start with...
http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11ItemID=2312
And then go from there. I have to agree with Peter Trei that your arguments
sound pretty pre-packaged and freeze-dried, very similar to the pablum the
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