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Re: Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)

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Re: cpunk-like meeting report

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Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: cpunk-like meeting report

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Re: cpunk-like meeting report

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Re: cpunk-like meeting report

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Anonymous wrote: The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not only are they cheering we got him like a child who can not withhold his enthusiasm. Displaying Saddam the way they did are also possibly a clear violation of the Geneva

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:47 PM 12/15/2003 +, Jim Dixon wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Anonymous wrote: The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not only are they cheering we got him like a child who can not withhold his enthusiasm. Displaying Saddam the way they did are also

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Dave Howe
Jim Dixon wrote: The Geneva conventions require, among other things, that soldiers wear uniforms. No, they don't. Fox news repeats this enough that more than half of america believes it, but then, more than half of america believes Iraq was somehow involved in the Trade Center attacks

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 5:21 PM + 12/15/03, Dave Howe wrote: Iraq was somehow involved in the Trade Center attacks too For those who wondered why Abu Nidal took two in the hat shortly before the daisycutters came to play:

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not Crosspost from nettime: Subject: nettime wrong signals If symbols really do matter we might conclude that American administration's PR machine has got it badly wrong. In the carefully orchestrated news management of

Re: Don't worry...it's just one of Saddam's doubles

2003-12-15 Thread Tyler Durden
If I don't remember incorrectly, they said something about identifying him by DNA testing. Well, of course Saddam is going to test positive...he's apparently an actual CLONE. Actually, from what I understand this is the 'original' Saddam (note how much older he seems than the Saddams we've been

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: The Geneva conventions require, among other things, that soldiers wear uniforms. Maybe it was just the movies, but I do believe that in the first and second world wars combatants dressed in civilian clothes were routinely shot. But Saddam isn't a

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Re: Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)

2003-12-15 Thread Anonymous Sender
While I agree with much of what you say I don't think it's likely that any kind of advanced SIGINT operation was what brought him down. The most important thing to have is intelligence from humans. From insiders. This is partly the problem with the intelligence agencies today. They

Re:Textual analysis

2003-12-15 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:44 AM 12/13/03 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: ... And what is my supposed three-space paragraph lead-ins? The concept of textual analysis to prove ID has always amused me. A competent writer can easily change writing styles from moment to moment. I well recall a university english lit prof

Hack the Vote: cause a blackout

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
(This inspired by comments in Scheier's cryptogram) Do all the newly electronic voting places have UPS? I doubt it. Think of the fun you could cause if you downed a few substations or poles. And because elections happen all at once, there would be no means of recovery. Imagine if, in the

Using PCR to find Hussein via the sewers? [GATTACA]

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 04:50 AM 12/15/03 -0800, John Young wrote: There's a good possibility that Saddam was traced by Tempest sensing, airborne or mundane. I wonder if you can trace DNA in sewers back to the source, esp. in an inbred locale? (Peter? PCR with Saddam specific primers?) Or did he just dig a

Re: Compromised Remailers

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 06:49 PM 12/13/2003 +0100, some provocateur claiming to be Anonymous wrote: A question for the moment might well be how many if any of the remailers are operated by TLAs? Remailers are secure if at least one remailer in a chain is _not_

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:57 PM 12/14/03 -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: Be sure and check the archive before posting. It is still small. Cookies, members only archive access. Bad deal. Will not happen. Very few consumers here. But look how many IP addresses he got from members checking it out!

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Anonymous
I am not sure I agree. I am no expert on this however. I saw several people commenting the issue of Geneva convention on CNN during the day. Also I saw an expert on this field from another country commenting on the issue stating that it was a clear violation of the convention. In either of

Re: Textual analysis

2003-12-15 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 10:36:02AM -0500, John Kelsey wrote: | Textual analysis correctly identified the author of _Primary Colors_, | though that was from a pretty small field of people with the right level of | inside knowledge. Does anyone know whether there have been real randomized |

An Analysis of Compromised Remailers

2003-12-15 Thread John Young
This came in response to Cryptome's posting of Len Sassman's comments on remailers. - From: S Subject: Re: remailers-tla.htm Compromised Remailers, December 15, 2003 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:16:17 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for posting the

Re: An Analysis of Compromised Remailers

2003-12-15 Thread Len Sassaman
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, John Young wrote: This came in response to Cryptome's posting of Len Sassman's comments on remailers. (BTW, John -- while the threat originally started out as being about compromised remailers, my comments had little to do with that title. Perhaps remailer security would

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Tim May
On Dec 15, 2003, at 5:36 PM, Anonymous wrote: I am not sure I agree. I am no expert on this however. I saw several people commenting the issue of Geneva convention on CNN during the day. Also I saw an expert on this field from another country commenting on the issue stating that it was a clear

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Anonymous wrote: I think it's about not becoming evil yourself when you're fighting evil. Pretty applicable, yes. We should not be tempted to act in unlawful and questionable ways. Too late. We refuse to recognize armed combatants, captured on the field of battle as

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 5:21 PM + 12/15/03, Dave Howe wrote: Iraq was somehow involved in the Trade Center attacks too For those who wondered why Abu Nidal took two in the hat shortly before the daisycutters came to play:

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 15 Dec 2003 at 20:06, privacy.at Anonymous Remailer wrote: The image of an Arab leader (however terrible) being objectivised by a white gloved American medic like a bug on a lab bench, will not be read in the Arab world as a moment of liberation. It will be seen as a special kind

Re:Textual analysis

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:36 AM 12/14/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: It's not obvious to me how you'd change your writing style to defeat these textual analysis schemes--would it really be as simple as changing the average length of sentences and getting rid of the big words, or would there still be ways to determine

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread R. A. Hettinga
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Re: Textual analysis

2003-12-15 Thread coderman
Adam Shostack wrote: ... | It's not obvious to me how you'd change your writing style to defeat these | textual analysis schemes--would it really be as simple as changing the | average length of sentences and getting rid of the big words, or would | there still be ways to determine your

Re: Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)

2003-12-15 Thread Tim May
On Dec 14, 2003, at 8:33 PM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: TEMPEST shielding is fairly esoteric (at least for non-EM-specialists) field. But potentially could be made easier by simplifying the problem. If we won't want to shield the user interface (eg. we want just a cryptographic processor), we may put

Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)

2003-12-15 Thread Thomas Shaddack
TEMPEST shielding is fairly esoteric (at least for non-EM-specialists) field. But potentially could be made easier by simplifying the problem. If we won't want to shield the user interface (eg. we want just a cryptographic processor), we may put the device into a solid metal case without holes,

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
http://lists.cryptnet.net/mailman/listinfo/cpunx-news Be sure and check the archive before posting. It is still small. Cookies, members only archive access. Bad deal. Will not happen. Very few consumers here. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam

Re: Don't worry...it's just one of Saddam's doubles

2003-12-15 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote: How boring. The DNA confirmation was reported on all of the puppet news organizations here. It made it to the evening news. Which I missed (my info was from the news at noon), and caught only this morning in the evening news rerun. The Germans and Eastern

Re: Compromised Remailers

2003-12-15 Thread Len Sassaman
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote: I haven't carefully looked at the current source code (if it's available) for things like Type II Mixmaster remailers, things which offer reply-blocks. Yes, it is available. You can download it via ftp from mixmaster.anonymizer.com, or view the SVN tree at

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Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:52:52AM -0500, V Alex Brennen wrote: Archive it your selfs you fucking wankers. Damn. Since when That was I was going to do before you volunteered to host the lists. Thanks for letting me know that the offer has been withdrawn. I guess I don't need another

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:36:12PM -0800, Tim May wrote: No, we don't need a cpunx-news list. This is what Google and the ability to see hundreds of various lists and sites is for. This is a bogus statement. As long as I can't use a single keyword to make Google's news alerts topical, and

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Anonymous wrote: The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not only are they cheering we got him like a child who can not withhold his enthusiasm. Displaying Saddam the way they did are also possibly a clear violation of the Geneva

Re: Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)

2003-12-15 Thread John Young
There's a good possibility that Saddam was traced by Tempest sensing, airborne or mundane. The technology is far more sensitive than a decade ago. And with a lot of snooping technology kept obscure by tales of HUMINT, finks, lost laptops and black bag jobs. For less sensitive compromising

U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Anonymous
The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not only are they cheering we got him like a child who can not withhold his enthusiasm. Displaying Saddam the way they did are also possibly a clear violation of the Geneva convention as far as I can tell. What was

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: The Geneva conventions require, among other things, that soldiers wear uniforms. Maybe it was just the movies, but I do believe that in the first and second world wars combatants dressed in civilian clothes were routinely shot. But Saddam isn't a

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:47 PM 12/15/2003 +, Jim Dixon wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Anonymous wrote: The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not only are they cheering we got him like a child who can not withhold his enthusiasm. Displaying Saddam the way they did are also

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread V Alex Brennen
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 09:57:09PM -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: http://lists.cryptnet.net/mailman/listinfo/cpunx-news Be sure and check the archive before posting. It is still small. Cookies, members only archive access. Bad deal. Will not happen. Very few consumers here. To

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 5:21 PM + 12/15/03, Dave Howe wrote: Iraq was somehow involved in the Trade Center attacks too For those who wondered why Abu Nidal took two in the hat shortly before the daisycutters came to play:

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 08:00:57PM -0800, Tim May wrote: Some people think spinning off new lists whenever they get interested in some area is interesting. Most of these lists fail for obvious There's a specific niche of high-volume topical news lists. They're designed to distribute the mining

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 09:57:09PM -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: http://lists.cryptnet.net/mailman/listinfo/cpunx-news Be sure and check the archive before posting. It is still small. Cookies, members only archive access. Bad deal. Will not happen. Very few consumers here. To see the

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Dave Howe
Jim Dixon wrote: The Geneva conventions require, among other things, that soldiers wear uniforms. No, they don't. Fox news repeats this enough that more than half of america believes it, but then, more than half of america believes Iraq was somehow involved in the Trade Center attacks

self adjusting dummy traffic generation?

2003-12-15 Thread Nomen Nescio
Would it be possible to have a self adjusting dummy traffic generator feature in remailers? Operator decides that he wants to process x number of incoming and y number of outgoing messages each time period t. Then the software adjusts the number of dummy messages to this value using

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread privacy.at Anonymous Remailer
The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not Crosspost from nettime: Subject: nettime wrong signals If symbols really do matter we might conclude that American administration's PR machine has got it badly wrong. In the carefully orchestrated news management of

Hack the Vote: cause a blackout

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
(This inspired by comments in Scheier's cryptogram) Do all the newly electronic voting places have UPS? I doubt it. Think of the fun you could cause if you downed a few substations or poles. And because elections happen all at once, there would be no means of recovery. Imagine if, in the

Re: Compromised Remailers

2003-12-15 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 06:49 PM 12/13/2003 +0100, some provocateur claiming to be Anonymous wrote: A question for the moment might well be how many if any of the remailers are operated by TLAs? Remailers are secure if at least one remailer in a chain is _not_

Re: Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)

2003-12-15 Thread Anonymous Sender
While I agree with much of what you say I don't think it's likely that any kind of advanced SIGINT operation was what brought him down. The most important thing to have is intelligence from humans. From insiders. This is partly the problem with the intelligence agencies today. They

Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?

2003-12-15 Thread Anonymous
I am not sure I agree. I am no expert on this however. I saw several people commenting the issue of Geneva convention on CNN during the day. Also I saw an expert on this field from another country commenting on the issue stating that it was a clear violation of the convention. In either of

Using PCR to find Hussein via the sewers? [GATTACA]

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 04:50 AM 12/15/03 -0800, John Young wrote: There's a good possibility that Saddam was traced by Tempest sensing, airborne or mundane. I wonder if you can trace DNA in sewers back to the source, esp. in an inbred locale? (Peter? PCR with Saddam specific primers?) Or did he just dig a

Re: cpunk-like meeting report

2003-12-15 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:57 PM 12/14/03 -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: Be sure and check the archive before posting. It is still small. Cookies, members only archive access. Bad deal. Will not happen. Very few consumers here. But look how many IP addresses he got from members checking it out!

Re: Don't worry...it's just one of Saddam's doubles

2003-12-15 Thread Tyler Durden
If I don't remember incorrectly, they said something about identifying him by DNA testing. Well, of course Saddam is going to test positive...he's apparently an actual CLONE. Actually, from what I understand this is the 'original' Saddam (note how much older he seems than the Saddams we've been

Re:Textual analysis

2003-12-15 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:44 AM 12/13/03 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: .. And what is my supposed three-space paragraph lead-ins? The concept of textual analysis to prove ID has always amused me. A competent writer can easily change writing styles from moment to moment. I well recall a university english lit prof

Re: Textual analysis

2003-12-15 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 10:36:02AM -0500, John Kelsey wrote: | Textual analysis correctly identified the author of _Primary Colors_, | though that was from a pretty small field of people with the right level of | inside knowledge. Does anyone know whether there have been real randomized |