> At 03:19 PM 9/1/2001 -0400, Faustine wrote:
>> >
>> > When you talk about "collaborating" and ZKS selling beta software to
>> > the NSA, are you saying you've got information that ZKS gave the
>> > NSA access to more information than the general public got, and/or
>> > that the NSA got their
At 03:19 PM 9/1/2001 -0400, Faustine wrote:
> >
> > When you talk about "collaborating" and ZKS selling beta software to
> > the NSA, are you saying you've got information that ZKS gave the NSA
> > access to more information than the general public got, and/or that
> > the NSA got their access
Tim Wrote:
>> On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote:
>
>> Consistent with your misconception about big computers being useful for
>> brute-force cryptanalyis,
>
> I never said that and you know it. Nice troll, though.
>You did indeed. Several times you alluded to what big and po
On Saturday, September 1, 2001, at 11:30 AM, Faustine wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 01:27 PM, Faustine wrote:
>
>> On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote:
>
>> Consistent with your misconception about big computers being useful for
>> brute-force cryptanalyis,
>
> I nev
On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 01:27 PM, Faustine wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote:
>> Tim wrote:
>>> But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design
>>> eventually.
>> If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen
>> inte
Greg wrote:
> At 05:31 PM 8/31/2001 -0400, Faustine wrote:
>>Sure. But to what extent can you collaborate without a)approaching
>>full- blown collusion or b) getting taken for a ride in spite of your
>>best efforts?
>
> When you talk about "collaborating" and ZKS selling beta software to
> the N
On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>> But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design
>> eventually.
> If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen
> interest in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a reason.
On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Faustine wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>
> >But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design
> >eventually.
>
> If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen interest
> in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a reason.
As I recall, t
On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 11:43 AM, Faustine wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>
>> But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design
>> eventually.
>
> If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen
> interest
> in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a
At 02:43 PM 8/31/2001 -0400, Fausting wrote:
>Tim wrote:
> >But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design
> >eventually.
>If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen interest
>in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a reason.
What's the rea
Tim wrote:
>But, as with Kirchoff's point, the attacker is going to get the design
>eventually.
If getting the design "eventually" were good enough, why the keen interest
in putting in a large order for the beta? There's a reason.
Maybe in the long run, it's right to view any objections as
At 02:41 PM 8/30/01 -0400, Faustine wrote:
>And by the way, if you're going to question
>SafeWeb for cooperating with CIA, you might as well criticize ZeroKnowledge
>for selling a boatload of the Freedom beta to the NSA in 1999 as well. What
>did they think they wanted it for, farting around on
At 02:52 PM 8/30/01 -0400, Faustine wrote:
>
>And as long as you have companies like ZeroKnowledge who are
>willing/gullible/greedy/just plain fucking stupid enough to sell their
>betas to the NSA, you never will.
>
>~Faustine.
If knowledge of how something works breaks it, it wasn't worth
hav
--
On 30 Aug 2001, at 14:41, Faustine wrote:
> Of course it has a trap door, that's probably the whole point
> of getting it over there in the first place. And by the way, if
> you're going to question SafeWeb for cooperating with CIA, you
> might as well criticize ZeroKnowledge for selling
--
On 30 Aug 2001, at 14:52, Faustine wrote:
> And as long as you have companies like ZeroKnowledge who are
> willing/gullible/greedy/just plain fucking stupid enough to
> sell their betas to the NSA, you never will.
There is nothing wrong with selling betas to the NSA. I make my
crypto
At 10:02 AM 8/30/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>Alas, the marketing of such "dissident-grade untraceability" is
>difficult. Partly because anything that is dissident-grade is also
>pedophile-grade, money launderer-grade, freedom fighter-grade,
>terrorist-grade, etc.
>
>--Tim May
How about a marketi
Faustine wrote:
[...]
> Of course it has a trap door, that's probably the whole point of getting it
> over there in the first place. And by the way, if you're going to question
> SafeWeb for cooperating with CIA, you might as well criticize ZeroKnowledge
> for selling a boatload of the Freedom b
> Adam writes:
> As far as your opinions of our business, well, I'm really uninterested
> in getting into a pissing match with you. The reality is that
customers
> and investors give us money tp produce privacy tools, and they, not
you,
> are the ones I need to keep happy.
The reality is that pe
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Faustine wrote:
> And as long as you have companies like ZeroKnowledge who are
> willing/gullible/greedy/just plain fucking stupid enough to sell their
> betas to the NSA, you never will.
Okay, that clinches it. You're a moron.
Why *shoul
> Faustine wrote:
> I wouldn't trust either of them with anything significant.
More importantly, the claims that safeweb/triangle boy actually works
may be misleading to the people who will rely on its claims of securely
circumventing government censorship in china. The entire in/out bound
traf
"Faustine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>Adam wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 10:02:54AM -0700, Tim May wrote:
>| Alas, the marketing of such "dissident-grade untraceability" is
>| difficult. Partly because anything that is dissident-grade is also
>| pedophile-grade, money launderer-grade, freedo
On Thursday, August 30, 2001, at 12:16 PM, Adam Shostack wrote:
> As far as your opinions of our business, well, I'm really uninterested
> in getting into a pissing match with you. The reality is that
> customers and investors give us money tp produce privacy tools, and
> they, not you, are the
This report says the U.S. Gov't. has plans to make "SafeWeb," the Web
proxy company it helped fund through the CIA, available to Chinese
citizens who want to bypass their government's censorship.
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010830/wr/tech_china_internet_report_dc_1.
html
(I can already h
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