RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-23 Thread Trei, Peter
James A. Donald[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-23 Thread Trei, Peter
James A. Donald[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-23 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: Non-voters are NOT viewed by those in power as protesting against the system. They are viewed as: a: People who are happy as fat with the way things are going. and b: People whose viewpoints can be totally ignored. So Jim, I think you have it

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. By

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- William Warren voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. In http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Price_Theory/PThy_Chapter_19/PT hy_Chap_19.html David Friedman explains why democracy does not work. --digsig James A. Donald

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Vincent Penquerc'h [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. [snip] Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. At least, the govt

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread William Warren
voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. I used to be in the non-voting category..then i stopped and stepped out of life and looked at hte gov't..and did not like

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. On 20 Dec 2002 at 10:24, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. If a single

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 20 Dec 2002 at 19:26, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. No matter who you vote for, a politician always gets elected. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. By

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-21 Thread James A. Donald
-- William Warren voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. In http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Price_Theory/PThy_Chapter_19/PT hy_Chap_19.html David Friedman explains why democracy does not work. --digsig James A. Donald

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-20 Thread James A. Donald
-- Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. On 20 Dec 2002 at 10:24, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. If a single

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-20 Thread William Warren
voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. I used to be in the non-voting category..then i stopped and stepped out of life and looked at hte gov't..and did not like

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-20 Thread William Warren
James A. Donald wrote: -- Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. On 20 Dec 2002 at 10:24, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-20 Thread Neil Johnson
On Friday 20 December 2002 06:26 pm, William Warren wrote: voting keeps you free..voting is our way of controlling and shaping the government. Those who do not exercise this duty do not deserve to complain about what goes on. I used to be in the non-voting category..then i stopped and

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-20 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
Disney doesn't have the power to tell me what I may eat or smoke, except in their parks and on their property. [snip] Now, imagine a Disney owning the whole of the land of the USA, and having armed forces the size of the USA. At least, the govt has a structure that makes it more likely to be

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-19 Thread Michael Motyka
My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. Bruce With an emphasis on slightly I might tend to agree but it looks more like the difference between liver cancer and kidney failure than it does the difference

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Trei, Peter
Marcel Popescu[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. While I do have a talent for pissing off (and getting pissed off by) known celebrities (see Tim May in the cypherpunks

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Bruce Schneier
At 11:08 AM 12/16/2002, you wrote: Are you for real??? I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases like revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State or the State has more motivation to be fair sound like right out of 1984. What happened to you? This is

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Shawn Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase why

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Eric Cordian
Bruce wrote: My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. Governments have no restrictions on their conduct, aside from moderating it to the extent that they are not overthrown from within, or attacked by other

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Bruce Schneier
At 11:08 AM 12/16/2002, you wrote: Are you for real??? I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases like revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State or the State has more motivation to be fair sound like right out of 1984. What happened to you? This is

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Shawn Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase why

RE: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Trei, Peter
Marcel Popescu[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. While I do have a talent for pissing off (and getting pissed off by) known celebrities (see Tim May in the cypherpunks

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-18 Thread Eric Cordian
Bruce wrote: My intuition is that the government is going to be slightly fairer than, for example, Disney. That's just a guess, though. Governments have no restrictions on their conduct, aside from moderating it to the extent that they are not overthrown from within, or attacked by other

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Sarad AV
hi, Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, If he is such a bozo,why are n't many of those saying this not as sucessful as he is? Mr. Sheiner's book on applied cryptography is a beauty for a beginer. --- Sleeping Vayu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, for those who

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Vayu Anonymous Remailer
Are you for real??? I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases like revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State or the Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, for those who actually know him firsthand. His main talent was creating an extremely successful

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Shawn Duffy
While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase why the state can NOT be just... Please

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:00 AM 12/17/2002 -0500, Shawn Duffy wrote: While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Shawn Duffy
While I disagree with the phrase revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State and I certainly don't agree with everything ever written in a Crypto-Gram, I must disagree with your evaluation of Mr. Schneier's editorial. Specifically, the phrase why the state can NOT be just... Please

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-17 Thread Sarad AV
hi, Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, If he is such a bozo,why are n't many of those saying this not as sucessful as he is? Mr. Sheiner's book on applied cryptography is a beauty for a beginer. --- Sleeping Vayu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Scheiner was always a bozo, for those who

Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, December 15, 2002

2002-12-16 Thread Marcel Popescu
Are you for real??? I'm reading with horror the editorial of your latest crypto-gram. Phrases like revenge only becomes justice if carried out by the State or the State has more motivation to be fair sound like right out of 1984. What happened to you? This is so utterly ridiculous that I'd laugh