Re: FC: An analysis of Michigan and Colorado mini-DMCA bills

2003-03-31 Thread Dave Emery
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:02:12AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: There is another side to the MPAA's super-DMCA state legislation. In addition to its impact on use of encryption, vpns, firewalls and so forth it also sets forth new non-federal restrictions on possession and used of radio

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 30 Mar 2003 at 23:29, Harmon Seaver wrote: Don't know where you got this idea from, the First Papal Inquisition in 1232 was specifically for witches and sorcerers. And a bit later, in the Burning Times (1450-1700 roughly) the church burned and hanged hundreds of thousands of

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, stuart wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... You give too much credit to the Romans. Catholicism worked so well because it is a virus, and conversion was often forced upon heathens by their fellow countrymen. Interestingly though,

Re: S-Tools Stego makes an appearance in Law and Order-SVU

2003-03-31 Thread Thomas Shaddack
As for the how, one wonders some form of fake-stego can't be incorporated somehow into non-stego programs, such as zip/compression utilities, file-sharing and so on. For very-low-bandwidth data transfers hidden in wideband streams, we could maybe use timing of packets. Wouldn't work with more

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 30 Mar 2003 at 16:40, Harmon Seaver wrote: The number of women, in particular, who were murdered by the church is pretty high, not just during the initial conversion but also during the following Inquistion. You are deluded. The church murdered perhjaps a thousand or so women

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 06:34:08PM -0500, stuart wrote: First of all, 'wicca' is some bullshit thought up by a delusional old man less than 75 years ago, the only persecution of wiccans the world has seen is when they get made fun of in high school. Don't know where you got this idea

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-03-31 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:39 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Very, very few religions, other than the judeo/christer/islamic, are interested in forced conversions, or even do any proselytizing at all. Nor do they usually persecute women. The entire christer theology makes persecution inevitable. Any

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread Steve Mynott
Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote: [..] Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland. No, I do. No you don't. But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:15:46AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote: [..] Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland. No, I do. No you don't. But of course, the problems really

Re: Skeletons at the gates

2003-03-31 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Ever heard of caltrops? I hear it's a new growth cottage industry. Likewise the cheap EMP devices just talked about here. I've been thinking of There are no cheap EMP devices. You'll need a high voltage capacitor bank at the very least (I would not

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-03-31 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Harmon Seaver wrote: Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in Europe and the Americas since the Council of Nicea in 425 by the offspring of

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-03-31 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:55:46PM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in

Final solutions (was Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort)

2003-03-31 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:34 PM 3/30/03 -0500, stuart wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HS Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions HS a couple of milleniums ago. A similarly open-minded friend once commented (far too loudly in a cafe) that

Limits to freedom of speech (was Re: Amerikan Nazis)

2003-03-31 Thread Sunder
Of course there are limits in regards to freedom of speech. They are as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

RE: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead

2003-03-31 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 31 Mar 2003 at 10:19, Lucky Green wrote: I am currently in Europe and while I had very little time to watch TV, I indulged myself last night for a few hours. The UK stations are as worthless at the US stations: all fluffy propaganda all the time. BBC says the west is losing -- on

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-03-31 Thread Bill Frantz
At 5:44 AM -0800 3/31/03, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:15:46AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: 3. Wicca is a modern invention. Hardly. WEIK- [2]. In words connectid with magic and religious notions (in Germanic and Latin). 1. Germanic suffixed form *WIH-L- in Old

art can make a difference, and traffic routing games

2003-03-31 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:59 PM 3/30/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: Any group of Pranksters willing to buy a bunch of orange traffic cones and some sawhorses and a few dozen credible-looking street construction signs could do almost as well without even a large group support group, if they got out early in the

Re: Skeletons at the gates

2003-03-31 Thread Tim May
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 02:50 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Ever heard of caltrops? I hear it's a new growth cottage industry. Likewise the cheap EMP devices just talked about here. I've been thinking of There are no cheap EMP devices. You'll need a

Re: Final solutions (was Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort)

2003-03-31 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: I still think the best solution is just huge tanker planes full of LSD spraying combative groups/areas once a week. Actually, LSD was considered as an incapacitating chemical weapon. Another psychedelic, 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, aka BZ, was even

Re: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead

2003-03-31 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
James A. Donald wrote: Indeed, this He said, she said approach, which treats US reports and Iraqi reports as equally credible, seems to me like Baathist propaganda, like anti western bias. Lying is as natural to governments as breathing is to normal, healthy people. What makes you think the