On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:
> SNIP
> In "austin powers", they make the spy sound sixties by
> depicting him as expecting the victory of the Soviet Union, and
> perhaps rather favoring that outcome. If they had him quote
> Ayn Rand, he would not have sounded sixties.
>
> When
Let's look at some real-world metric of cpunkish issues:
1. Surveillance and data harvesting.
The main reason many "joined" cpunks (including me) was the issue of wide-spread
surveillance and sophistication of data harvesting that computer networks enabled. I
could protect my traffic no problem
On Dec 7, 2003, at 6:54 PM, Greg Newby wrote:
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:37:26PM -0800, John Young wrote:
...
What I like about the ring-in-the-flesh crowd is their pleasure in
grossing out the stodgers. Makes me wish I still had that knack
instead of only the memories.
Hey, John -- wear some of t
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On 7 Dec 2003 at 21:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> many here likely would not be happy if I called myself
> libertarian, because I feel that corporations are titanic
> forces unfriendly to the vast majority of human beings and
> unworthy of human liberty.
Everyone agrees that big corporatio
Here's one younger person who follows cypherpunks very closely. I do not post because
I have nothing to contribute to the discussion. Someday, when I've learned enough to
be useful, then I will contribute what I can.
Tim's postings re:crypto are the most thought-out, insightful writings you cou
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 01:45:43PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> You need to read my long, long essay in "True Names," then. This is
> more widely available than anything I would waste my time doing for
> "Body Peircing" or "Skate," even if I wanted to.
>
> As for writing for "Reason," they haven't as
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:27:38PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
> the business as old fart pinko activists of today. And if the
> same is true of the libertarian party, well it has been walking
> dead for some considerable time, but its death does not reflect
> the health of libertarianism.
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:27:38PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
> Everyone agrees that big corporations are oppressive,
> bureaucratic, inefficient, etc. No one more so than the
> management advisers to big corporations.
I'm not sure I'd agree that big corporations are oppressive. How?
I once w
In a message dated 12/8/2003 8:27:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >As for writing for "Reason," they haven't asked, and their editorial
> >focus is increasingly statist. Cf. Cathy Young's quote at the bottom of
> >this post.
>
> I disagree. I went to a Reason gathering
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Tim May:
> >> And, as many have noted, very few of the "kids" today are
> >> libertarians (either small L or large L).
James A. Donald:
> > When you were a teenager, everyone thought that Ho Chi Minh
> > was the greatest, had a picture of Che Guevera on their
> > wall, and thought the So
On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/8/2003 2:46:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you are free to be "Matt Gaylor, Activist!" and to try to get
articles published in "Liberty" or "Gold Currency Times" or wherever
you get published, b
On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/7/2003 10:58:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My generation was very active, on all sides. The droids born after
about 1980 are mainly followers. Probably what the nose rings are for.
Hey Tim, why don
In a message dated 12/8/2003 2:46:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, you are free to be "Matt Gaylor, Activist!" and to try to get
articles published in "Liberty" or "Gold Currency Times" or wherever
you get published, but I have other things I'd rather be doing.
Preachi
On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/7/2003 10:58:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My generation was very active, on all sides. The droids born after
about 1980 are mainly followers. Probably what the nose rings are for.
Hey Tim, why don
On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:11 AM, Bill Stewart wrote:
At 07:55 PM 12/7/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
The Libertarian Party started at about this time, in 1972, and nearly
all of the volunteers, spear carriers, etc. were in their 20s. This
is very well known.
(And today most of the LP volunteers and spe
In a message dated 12/7/2003 10:58:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> My generation was very active, on all sides. The droids born after
> about 1980 are mainly followers. Probably what the nose rings are for.
>
Hey Tim, why don't you continue your activism and make an at
On Dec 7, 2003, at 7:15 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
And, as many have noted, very few of the "kids" today are
libertarians (either small L or large L).
When you were a teenager, everyone thought that Ho Chi Minh was
the greatest, had a picture of Che Guevera on their wall, and
thought the Soviet Un
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 16:11, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote:
>
> > I have several theories/conjectures about what is happening to mailing
> > lists.
> >
> > First, a lot of the younger folks--who used to be some of the fresh
> > blood for lists like ours--are not users of
Hello,
I am 23 years old and I am quite proud to be on cpunks. I have been on
and off cpunks since i was sixteen, but I have never been active. I run
a mixminion remailer, get excited at key signings, and I was extremely
excited when I read about the recent development with mental poker that
was m
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 10:37:04PM -0500, John Young wrote:
> When I got censored by [EMAIL PROTECTED] a couple
> of weeks ago I tried to subscribe to these nodes:
>
> Algebra
> Infonex
> Lne
> Minder
> Sunder
> Pro-ns
> Openpgp
> Ccc
>
> Subscription was successful only on:
>
> Algebra
> Pro-ns
From: "Brian C. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Clay Shirky has some good thoughts on this in his essay 'The Group Is
> Its Own Worst Enemy', found at
> http://shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
"So we're back, and we're taking wizardly fiat back, and we're going to do
things to run the system. We
I'm still quite new to this list, so if you find this interesting,
please take it as from a newbie ;-}.
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote:
> > Read the archives and note the drop-off in certain kinds of
> > political discussion. Even some of the former nodes have vanished; my
> > hunch is that m
At 03:26 PM 12/7/03 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>But even if crypto got trendy again, I just don't see the young
>students of today flocking to our particular mailing list. Too many
>other choices. Probably they'll read someone's daily blog
A few observations.
Nowadays, colleges offer courses in cr
At 07:55 PM 12/7/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
The Libertarian Party started at about this time, in 1972, and nearly all
of the volunteers, spear carriers, etc. were in their 20s. This is very
well known.
(And today most of the LP volunteers and spear carriers are in their 40s
and 50s. A correlati
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On 7 Dec 2003 at 15:26, Tim May wrote:
> Whatever, I find when I talk to these newcomers with their
> bald heads, their piercings, their Linux geek talk, I have
> almost nothing in common with them.
The change is in you, not them. Your postings now sound like
old fart postings. A simil
On Dec 7, 2003, at 1:25 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:10:04PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Tim,
I AM GETTING TIRED OF SEEING CYPHERPUNKS RESTRICTING WHAT INFORMATION
FLOWS AND TO WHERE IT FLOWS...
He is correct, of course. One of these days I'm going to get
MailMan working, and
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote:
> I have several theories/conjectures about what is happening to mailing
> lists.
>
> First, a lot of the younger folks--who used to be some of the fresh
> blood for lists like ours--are not users of mailing lists. I expect
> some of them don't even know such
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When I got censored by [EMAIL PROTECTED] a couple
of weeks ago I tried to subscribe to these nodes:
Algebra
Infonex
Lne
Minder
Sunder
Pro-ns
Openpgp
Ccc
Subscription was successful only on:
Algebra
Pro-ns
Both of thse provided a "who" response on 11/10/03 of
Algebra 122
Pro-ns 14
I get the sa
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