On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, david wrote:
> The main body of the constitution does not apply to the
> individuals, it is the law the politicians and bureaucrats of the
> federal government are supposed to obey (and instead completely
> ignore). The fourteenth amendment prohibits the state governments
> f
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 09:52, Dr. mike wrote:
> No reason we can't start a movement to plege alegiance to the
> constitution
The main body of the constitution does not apply to the
individuals, it is the law the politicians and bureaucrats of the
federal government are supposed to obey (a
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Mike Rosing wrote:
> Some 40+ years ago we had to learn it in kindergarten. One kid
> refused and they took him out of class.
His and the other kids parents were pussies.
I first went to school about the same time ago, 1966 in Houston. I didn't
do the pledge and they calle
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote:
> But wouldn't that hint to these children that they may actually
> have to think ? You don't have to think of a flag, you just react
> with (preprepared) emotions, but with a constitution...
No reason we can't start a movement to plege alegiance to
> While I have a lot of problem with the Pledge in any form, I think it
> would be greatly improved if it were made to the Constitution, rather
> than the flag.
But wouldn't that hint to these children that they may actually
have to think ? You don't have to think of a flag, you just react
with (p
> Bill Frantz[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
> Unfortunately having started to question the relation between the pledge
> and the ideals of the country, I started to wonder why I was pledging to
> the flag, instead of the country. So over the years, I have a somewhat
> edited version (remov
At 11:34 AM 2/9/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Unfortunately having started to question the relation between the pledge
and the ideals of the country, I started to wonder why I was pledging to
the flag, instead of the country. So over the
At 6:55 AM -0800 2/9/03, Sunder wrote:
>And also freedom of religion. Forcing someone to say "Under God" for
>example.
Back in the dark ages (the 1950s, and don't anyone get nostalgic for them),
when the phrase "under god" was added to the pledge, I was a student in
school. From what they had ta
On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 6:55 AM -0800 2/9/03, Sunder wrote:
And also freedom of religion. Forcing someone to say "Under God" for
example.
Back in the dark ages (the 1950s, and don't anyone get nostalgic for
them),
when the phrase "under god" was added
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Subject: Re: Forced Oaths to Pieces of Cloth
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:57:14 -0800
At 6:55 AM -0800 2/9/03, Sunder wrote:
>And also freedom of religion. Forcing someone to say "Under God" for
>example.
Back in the
And also freedom of religion. Forcing someone to say "Under God" for
example.
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At 07:18 PM 2/7/2003 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
Leaving aside the issues of forcing kids to recite something they
don't understand or affirm something they don't believe,
there's the little problem that if the teachers are going to
pledge their allegiance to the Republic, they need to start
follow
At 12:22 AM 2/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>> But recite they must. Under a state law that takes effect today,
almost
>> every student in Pennsylvania - from preschool through high school,
in
>> schools public and private - must face the Stars and Stripes each
school
>> day and say the pledge
An interesting story on future citizen-units being brainscrubbed in the
lovely state of Pennsylvania.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/5124933.htm
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But recite they must. Under a state law that takes effect today, almost
every student in Pennsylvania - from preschool through high school,
> But recite they must. Under a state law that takes effect today, almost
> every student in Pennsylvania - from preschool through high school, in
> schools public and private - must face the Stars and Stripes each school
> day and say the pledge or sing the national anthem.
Are there any penalti
An interesting story on future citizen-units being brainscrubbed in the
lovely state of Pennsylvania.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/5124933.htm
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Pledge law brings out opinions of all stripes
By Dan Hardy
Inquirer Staff Writer
A roomful of Coatesville Head Start students, ages 3, 4
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