On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote:
> The British Army in Northern Ireland in the 1970s used to make alleged
> IRA people stand with hoods on leaning against a wall listening to
> white noise for long periods of time. When you collapse you are beaten.
Just sit down and get it over with, y
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, cubic-dog wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>
> > At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> > >Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
> > >No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any
> > experience
>
Steve Schear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I read some books in my youth on SH and found I could put myself in a self-
>induced altered reality state from which I could not be easily awakened.
I've had that too, listening to pre-election party political broadcasts.
>physical abuse might be thwart
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> It's not some New Age weekend camp when you imprisoned and beaten by
> your captors.
And, BTW, yoga is hardly New Age. It's quite ancient, precedes written
history in fact.
--
Harmon Seaver
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybersha
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
>
> > I've also worked with self hypnosis quite a bit, and it's useful,
> >but I'll
> >say again, anyone fairly adept at yogic meditation would not have much
>
At 08:42 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
> Even if it were possible (which I doubt) what's the point in even
> mentioning it since most people tortured ar
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> >
> > Practioners of yoga should have a ball. Just another yogic
> >meditation
> >exercize.
>
> Neither of you appear to understand what psychological torture is.
>
> Read some of the reports on the web about what happens.
>
> Th
You probably should have tried it on about 5 (dried) grams of psilocybic
mushrooms or a good dose of ayahuasca instead of the acid. They're both much
more suited to dark and quiet while acid seems to really like light and music.
Really very different things -- McKenna wrote quite a bit about th
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
nearly anyone.
Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is supposed to be extremely
effective, although with the potentia
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 21:14 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
I should think that a bit of practical training in self hypnosis could
thwart sensory deprivation. I read some books in my youth on SH and
found
I could put mys
At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
>No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any
experience
>with them) don't modify the experience a great deal either. Certainly
not
>to upset anyone this much, this f
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
> At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote:
> >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
> >
> >>The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
> >>convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
> >>nearl
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
>
> > The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
> > convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
> > nearly anyone.
>
> Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is sup
At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
nearly anyone.
The effects are supposed to be a lot worse than you would imagine wh
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> >Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
> >No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any
> experience
> >with them) don't modify the experience a great de
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote:
I've also worked with self hypnosis quite a bit, and it's useful,
but I'll
say again, anyone fairly adept at yogic meditation would not have much
problem
with sensory or sleep deprevation torture techniques. Of course,
be
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:
> The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of
> convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke
> nearly anyone.
Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago.
No big deal. Note that psychoactives
--
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:33:39AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> > To flesh this out a little more - the judge was Stephen
> > Trott, speaking on September 18 2002 at the Commonwealth
> > Club. Trott credits the torture warrant idea to Alan
> > Dershowitz, whom he describes as a good fri
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:33:39AM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> To flesh this out a little more - the judge was Stephen Trott, speaking on
> September 18 2002 at the Commonwealth Club. Trott credits the torture
> warrant idea to Alan Dershowitz, whom he describes as a good friend and a
> "great civ
On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Greg Broiles wrote:
At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote:
I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge
sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the
San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said
At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote:
I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge
sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the
San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said recording, the honorable judge
proposes the issuance of formal feder
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:30:42PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
| On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
| >
| >>to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than
| >>this,
| >>they will have unknowingly destroyed t
Adam wrote:
> The Russians, Americans and I believe others have moved from
> physical to psychological methods which have proven to work
> better than actual physical pain. I recall reading a story
> on Abdul Murad, the Al Qaeda member arrested in 1995 in the
> Philipines, where the way they f
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