Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-23 Thread Francisco Cribari
-Jones Subject: Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve To: darktable-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <7485955.nh8tzhs...@w530.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thursday, January 22, 2015 23:19 Ariel Kanterewicz wrote: > Reading through the thread, it loo

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-23 Thread johannes hanika
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Chris Siebenmann wrote: > > Manipulating the tone curves is still (for me) not optimal. I find > > that making complex curves is rather like pushing a piece of string > > .. fragile to put it mildly. Rawstudio was for me a winner in that > > department in that it

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-22 Thread Chris Siebenmann
> Manipulating the tone curves is still (for me) not optimal. I find > that making complex curves is rather like pushing a piece of string > .. fragile to put it mildly. Rawstudio was for me a winner in that > department in that it allowed me to do some really fine (and complex) > adjustment .. eas

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-22 Thread David Vincent-Jones
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 23:19 Ariel Kanterewicz wrote: > Reading through the thread, it looks like the general idea is that RGB > curves are pointless or redundant... but if there isn't an equivalent way > of manipulating the image, it's just another (fairly standard) tool, a > different way

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-22 Thread Ariel Kanterewicz
I vaguely remember a cross processing simulation preset in Bibble 5 that did some funky stuff with the RGB curves, that's a use case. Reading through the thread, it looks like the general idea is that RGB curves are pointless or redundant... but if there isn't an equivalent way of manipulating the

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-22 Thread KOVÁCS István
> Implicitly comparing the outfit of your wife to another woman's one is > almost always a bad idea. :-) I was not comparing, just suggesting :-) > Coming back to RGB curves: I think until someone presents a specific > example the benefits will be very vague at best. Maybe we could get hold

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-22 Thread Oliver Bedford
Am Donnerstag, den 22.01.2015, 08:40 +0100 schrieb KOVÁCS István: > When I tell my wife: 'Look at that girl's dress, isn't it pretty?', the > intention is not to shame her, it's to suggest maybe we should buy one like > that, if she likes it too. Then she may point it out that she doesn't like > i

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread KOVÁCS István
On 22 Jan 2015 00:29, "Markus Jung" wrote: > > > That may be so. It'd be nice to have a tutorial, but lacking the > > skill, I won't be able to create one. :-( > > What is your problem? My problem is ignorance - on my part. Darktable has lots of powerful tools, and I have been using dt for a much

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread Markus Jung
> OK ... I am guessing that I need to go into the blend mode and then partially > or totally disable the chroma setting using a parametric mask. "manual" mode means no chroma scaling at all. If you want more than "on" and "off, you need to use blending and maybe masks, yes. > This infers > tha

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread David Vincent-Jones
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 00:29 Markus Jung wrote: > > Interesting ... yes the effect is seen very much in the reds but ... > > "scale chrome" appears to be always enabled, how do I change that? > > You have seen the small triangle at the right hand side? There is a menu > hidden behind ;) >

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread Markus Jung
> Interesting ... yes the effect is seen very much in the reds but ... > "scale chrome" appears to be always enabled, how do I change that? You have seen the small triangle at the right hand side? There is a menu hidden behind ;) Regards, Markus --

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread Markus Jung
> That may be so. It'd be nice to have a tutorial, but lacking the > skill, I won't be able to create one. :-( What is your problem? Section 12 of the RT wiki describes how you can modify the tone curve. The user interface of dt is a bit different and does not deploy the more restricted variants,

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread David Vincent-Jones
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 23:54 Markus Jung wrote: > > I am assuming that switching from 'automatic' to 'manual' on the tone > > curve is changing the process from RGB to Lab ... a significant diference > > can be seen when doing this. > > > > My normal expectation with tone-curve processing

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread KOVÁCS István
Markus, > What i read there is just a combination of things you can easily do with > darktable, and drawbacks of using an RGB curve. That may be so. It'd be nice to have a tutorial, but lacking the skill, I won't be able to create one. :-( Kofa --

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread Markus Jung
> I am assuming that switching from 'automatic' to 'manual' on the tone curve > is > changing the process from RGB to Lab ... a significant diference can be seen > when doing this. > > My normal expectation with tone-curve processing with other systems was that > it only adjusted the luminesce

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread David Vincent-Jones
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 23:15 Markus Jung wrote: > Am 21.01.2015 um 23:09 schrieb KOVÁCS István: > > You can read about the potential uses and flexibility here: > > http://rawpedia.rawtherapee.com > > What i read there is just a combination of things you can easily do with > darktable, and

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread Markus Jung
Am 21.01.2015 um 23:09 schrieb KOVÁCS István: > You can read about the potential uses and flexibility here: > http://rawpedia.rawtherapee.com What i read there is just a combination of things you can easily do with darktable, and drawbacks of using an RGB curve. I can not see any benefit, sorry.

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread KOVÁCS István
You can read about the potential uses and flexibility here: http://rawpedia.rawtherapee.com Follow these links (can't give you direct links, seems to be dynamic IP): 1.3.1 Exposure Tab -> Exposure -> 12 Tone Curves and 13 Curve Mode https://code.google.com/p/rawtherapee/issues/detail?id=1529 You do

Re: [Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-21 Thread Oliver Bedford
Am Montag, den 19.01.2015, 11:37 -0300 schrieb Francisco Cribari: > Would it be feasible (and desirable) to give Darktable users a choice > between the existing Lab tone curve and an RGB tone curve? An RGB tone > curve would make it easier (I believe) to adapt existing Lightroom > presets/styles t

[Darktable-users] RGB tone curve

2015-01-19 Thread Francisco Cribari
Would it be feasible (and desirable) to give Darktable users a choice between the existing Lab tone curve and an RGB tone curve? An RGB tone curve would make it easier (I believe) to adapt existing Lightroom presets/styles to Darktable. Best, Francisco -- Francisco Cribari - http://about.me/criba