Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-05-13 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi Denis, > On 21 Mar 2024, at 04:03, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > > Hi Sander and others > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 23:06, Sander Steffann wrote: >> >> Hi Denis, >> >>> So we just stay where we are, yet again, with the NCC sending out tens >>> of thousands of emails every day to some of

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-21 Thread Shane Kerr via db-wg
Denis, On 21/03/2024 04.03, denis walker via db-wg wrote: -we have no documented business requirements for either the RIPE Database or a public registry This is simply not true. https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-767/ All because you disagree with the published requirements does not

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-21 Thread Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg
* Denis Walker wrote: > [... it's old ...] > > Just a quick list from memory of some problems surrounding the > database. 'Hear from users'...Whenever I bring up any issues like > this, I either hit a total wall of silence or I am hit with familiar > negativity. NO one ever talks about the future o

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-20 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Sander and others On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 23:06, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi Denis, > > > So we just stay where we are, yet again, with the NCC sending out tens > > of thousands of emails every day to some of the almost a million email > > addresses in the database and you all continue to get

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-20 Thread Sander Steffann via db-wg
Hi Denis, > So we just stay where we are, yet again, with the NCC sending out tens > of thousands of emails every day to some of the almost a million email > addresses in the database and you all continue to get spam sent to > those harvested email addresses. You seem to perceive a problem that n

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-20 Thread denis walker via db-wg
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 07:51, Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg wrote: > > * Denis Walker wrote: > > But looking through lots of email notifications about changes that you > > already know about, because you did them, and maybe in the middle is a > > notification of an attempted security breach that fail

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-20 Thread Thierry Le Bris via db-wg
Professionally speaking, I agree on both Lutz statements. --- Thierry Le Bris thierry.le-b...@ovhcloud.com > Le 20 mars 2024 à 07:51, Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg a écrit : > > * Denis Walker wrote: >> But looking through lots of email notifications about changes that you >> already know about

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-19 Thread Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg
* Denis Walker wrote: > But looking through lots of email notifications about changes that you > already know about, because you did them, and maybe in the middle is a > notification of an attempted security breach that failed on > authentication (that you may miss), doesn't that also eat up brain

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-19 Thread denis walker via db-wg
On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 17:03, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > Hi Gert > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 16:05, Gert Doering wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 03:55:26PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > > > This new anti-spam measure is a convenient point to reflect on how one > >

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-19 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Gert On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 at 16:05, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 03:55:26PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > > This new anti-spam measure is a convenient point to reflect on how one > > part of the RIPE Database is used. Notifications are just one part of > > an

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-19 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
Hi, On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 03:55:26PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > This new anti-spam measure is a convenient point to reflect on how one > part of the RIPE Database is used. Notifications are just one part of > an audit system. Many other parts are missing. To be sending out 30k > emai

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-19 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Colleagues I know none of you want to talk about any redevelopment of the RIPE Database. Not even doing it bit by bit. I keep reminding you that it is a 30 year old design and barely fit for purpose in the modern world. But still you all want to keep this dinosaur even though it is now on life sup

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-15 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi Lutz, > On 15 Mar 2024, at 08:57, Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg wrote: > >> In this release, we will implement mail bounce detection (i.e. an outgoing >> message has permanently failed delivery) and also unsubscription (i.e. one- >> click unsubscribe from a mail client). Once an address is undel

Re: [db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-15 Thread Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg
> In this release, we will implement mail bounce detection (i.e. an outgoing > message has permanently failed delivery) and also unsubscription (i.e. one- > click unsubscribe from a mail client). Once an address is undeliverable or > unsubscribed, we will not send further Whois update acknowledgeme

[db-wg] Complying with Mail Provider Requirements When Sending Mail from Whois

2024-03-14 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Dear colleagues, As part of the Whois 1.111 release planned for 28th March, we will make changes to comply with new requirements for bulk email senders from two of the large email providers, namely Google [1][2] and Yahoo [3][4]. The RIPE NCC are reviewing these requirements across all our serv