Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2022-04-13 Thread Arcadius Ahouansou via db-wg
Hello Denis and All. Thank you very much for your reply. For instance with an entry like shown below, we will be using NL as the country. As you rightly said, that is for the organisation. So, we are working on moving to something more accurate on the city level. Thank you very much. With best

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2022-04-12 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Arcadius If you download the inetnum split file from the RIPE ftp site you will see there are already some "geofeed:" attributes in there as well as some still using the earlier "remarks: geofeed" option. denis$ zgrep "^geofeed:" ~/Desktop/ripe.db.inetnum.gz | wc -l 289 denis$ zgrep

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2022-04-12 Thread Arcadius Ahouansou via db-wg
Hello Jori, Edward and All. I apologise for resurrecting this very old thread. We are using the files in the ripe DB for creating our own geo-location DB. It's straightforward to get country level geo-ip classification. We are now looking into a city level geo-ip information and I have just come

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Jori Vanneste via db-wg
Hi Ed, On 4/8/2021 3:36 PM, Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: Hi Jori, On 8 Apr 2021, at 14:42, Tyrasuki wrote: Hi Ed, This seems like a good implementation to me. However, I don't think it's a good idea to limit the values on the "remarks" attribute in this way, as this could cause

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi Jori, > On 8 Apr 2021, at 14:42, Tyrasuki wrote: > > Hi Ed, > > This seems like a good implementation to me. > > However, I don't think it's a good idea to limit the values on the "remarks" > attribute in this way, as this could cause unwanted side effects with for ex. > messages left on

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Job Snijders via db-wg
Hi Denis, On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:55:32AM +0200, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > I don't see the issue of what, if anything, should be validated as a > show stopper for introducing the "geofeed:" attribute. This is my idea > of utilising the RIRs to improve the value of services with increased

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Job Snijders via db-wg
On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 02:27:13PM +0200, Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 13:54, Randy Bush via db-wg wrote: > > > >> Could we consider creating an NWI with a reduced scope? > > > > as an exercise, how minimal can we get? > > Given the draft RFC: >

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Tyrasuki via db-wg
Hi Ed, This seems like a good implementation to me. However, I don't think it's a good idea to limit the values on the "remarks" attribute in this way, as this could cause unwanted side effects with for ex. messages left on objects for other network operators. Also: > "Do not support

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi Randy, > On 8 Apr 2021, at 13:54, Randy Bush via db-wg wrote: > >> Could we consider creating an NWI with a reduced scope? > > as an exercise, how minimal can we get? > > randy > Given the draft RFC: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-finding-geofeeds/?include_text=1 I

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-08 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
> Could we consider creating an NWI with a reduced scope? as an exercise, how minimal can we get? randy

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Yeah that's a good point, I guess "non-error status code" rather than "200 status code". -Cynthia On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:47 AM George Michaelson wrote: > > I'd say rather than a 2xx, Allowing for 30x redirection, HTTP->HTTPS > uplift and other things. And, gzip compression. So, basically, >

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Guys I don't see the issue of what, if anything, should be validated as a show stopper for introducing the "geofeed:" attribute. This is my idea of utilising the RIRs to improve the value of services with increased validation. That's why I changed the subject line and started it as a different

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread George Michaelson via db-wg
I'd say rather than a 2xx, Allowing for 30x redirection, HTTP->HTTPS uplift and other things. And, gzip compression. So, basically, completion of a data exchange. Probably in the spirit of what you meant. As long as thats what "200" means, I'd be fine! cheers -G On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:42 AM

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, I have so far not seen anyone (other than you) suggest doing anything more than checking that the URL is valid and doesn't 404. The people who have so far commented on this are: me, Job, George Michaelson, Leo Vegoda. Could we consider creating an NWI with a reduced scope? If I start

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread George Michaelson via db-wg
The Geofeed: field is a URL. It points to a resource. The semantic content of the resource should not be checked, what matters is that the URL is not a 404 at the time of publication. if you want to check it isn't a 404 after that, its like Lame checks: good to do, not strictly essential in the

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I just wanted to clarify my stance on validation a bit more. I am totally against trying to validate the data itself, that is not what the NCC is supposed to do. Validating the format of the CSV might be okay but honestly anything beyond validating that it is not a 404 not found is a bit too

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Leo Vegoda via db-wg
Hi Denis, This message is in response to several in the discussion . In brief: I have seen network operators distraught because their network was misclassified as being in the wrong geography for the services their customers needed to access and they had no way to fix that situation. I feel that

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread denis walker via db-wg
HI Cynthia I don't take criticism personally. I am known for my wild ideas...occasionally I come up with a good one :) But let's take another look at this geofeed. Any service offered by or through the RIPE Database should be a high quality and reliable service. It doesn't matter if it is an

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, Apologies if this email comes off as rude or harsh, that isn't my intention, but I am not quite sure how else to phrase it. So when I say things like this, it's not because of cost or anything like that. I say it because I don't think validating the CSV is something that would be a

[db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-06 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi guys I've changed the subject as it goes a bit off topic and becomes more general and reaches out beyond just the DB-WG. I've been going to say this for a while but never got round to it until now. Apologies for saying it in response to your email Job but it's not directed at you. There are