Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-24 Thread Sander Steffann via db-wg
Hi Denis, > I am an 'active' co-chair. I strongly resent the implication from both > you and Randy that I am an 'activist' co-chair. An activist is "a > person who uses or supports strong actions (such as public protests) > to help make changes in politics or society". Completely inappropriate >

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-21 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
Hi, On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 08:44:14PM +0100, Sylvain Baya via db-wg wrote: > 1. remove your Co-chair hat > 2. submit a formal proposal > {other Co-chairs would drive discussions > regarding that proposal.} > 3. i am open to discuss it. So, instead of telling Denis what not to do - why don't you

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-21 Thread Sylvain Baya via db-wg
Le ven. 21 juil. 2023 à 19:09, denis walker via db-wg a écrit : > [...] > > I accept that there are old fashioned, tried and tested, well > documented ways of doing things. But society changes over time. The > co-chairs must also evolve their methods of working to handle the > situation they are

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-21 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Nick I am not interested in google searches for rules of parliamentary committees. I am interested in RIPE specific documented rules. The parliamentary committee situations you referred to are generally formal, in person meetings where a single person has been appointed as the president or

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-21 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
denis walker wrote on 21/07/2023 06:22: On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 16:41, Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote: the job of a chair is to ensure that the business of the forum is done, in an orderly and efficient way. Where is this stated? Denis, It's stated in pretty much every formal description of

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-20 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Niall On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 16:19, Niall O'Reilly wrote: > > Hi, Denis. > > On 19 Jul 2023, at 18:41, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > > > One or two vocal members of this community frequently express their > > opinion that all WG chairs should sit silently in the background, post > > an

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-20 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Nick On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 16:41, Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote: > > > the job of a chair is to ensure that the business of the forum is done, > in an orderly and efficient way. Where is this stated? > From this point of view, an "active" > chair is good, and to be welcomed. What isn't

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-20 Thread Nick Hilliard via db-wg
Randy Bush via db-wg wrote on 20/07/2023 00:22: I approve of more active WG management for the good of the internet. i do not. i am ok with a co-chair explicitly taking their co-chair hat off and having an opinion with the same weight as everyone else. i am as happy with activist wg-chairs

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-20 Thread Niall O'Reilly via db-wg
Hi, Denis. On 19 Jul 2023, at 18:41, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > One or two vocal members of this community frequently express their > opinion that all WG chairs should sit silently in the background, post > an occasional review and wait to declare consensus or not. Citations would help me,

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-19 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
> I approve of more active WG management for the good of the internet. i do not. i am ok with a co-chair explicitly taking their co-chair hat off and having an opinion with the same weight as everyone else. i am as happy with activist wg-chairs as i am with activist us supreme court justices.

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-19 Thread Sander Steffann via db-wg
Hi Denis, > So I think it is fair to say this is not an appropriate way of working > with some WGs these days. I will now go back to my previous way of > working where, as a co-chair, I do have an agenda - to get things > done, for the good of the internet. I approve of more active WG management

Re: [db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-19 Thread Gert Doering via db-wg
Hi, On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 07:41:52PM +0200, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > So I will continue to engage with the community, push out ideas (even > crazy ideas sometimes), start and drive conversations until we get > resolutions. While I might not agree with some of the actual ideas pushed

[db-wg] Where are we with NWIs?

2023-07-19 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Colleagues One or two vocal members of this community frequently express their opinion that all WG chairs should sit silently in the background, post an occasional review and wait to declare consensus or not. I am always willing to try out ideas from the community. So for the last couple of