Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Matt S Trout
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 11:32:18PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > Given the discussion generated way more interest than I anticipated, at > this point I am pausing all activity ( both code and administrative > changes ), until at least the 8th of October. I want to give ample time > for all int

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread John SJ Anderson
I’ve been watching this conversation unfold from the sidelines, and as an extremely infrequent user of DBIC (but highly interested Perl community member and sometimes Open Source community manager), I haven’t felt the need to participate before now — but I’m afraid there’s something that’s being

Re: [Dbix-class] A slightly more concrete proposal

2016-10-06 Thread Darren Duncan
Having just read the C4 spec, I generally find its proposals reasonable. However, section 2.5 "Branches and Releases" seems too simplistic and I would recommend against adopting that part as is. In particular, its third point: "To make a stable release a Maintainer shall tag the repository. S

Re: [Dbix-class] A slightly more concrete proposal

2016-10-06 Thread Darren Duncan
On 2016-10-06 2:18 AM, Aaron Trevena wrote: One quick thing to mention, is that SQL and Relational Databases have moved forward considerably since we were using Class::DBI. I'm now working on a project using latest Postgres features, and I've been literally astonished at some of the new stuff th

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Darren Duncan
On 2016-10-06 8:43 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:17:49PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: That would be good, also in light with how that sentence continues: "I suspect what we need to try and achieve is to get DBIC a bit more decentralised - have it be a specific framework buil

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Matt S Trout
On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 12:24:59PM +0200, Hartmaier Alexander wrote: > A big part was also his and mst's plan to use Data::Query in DBIx::Class > which they seen to have abandoned without communicating it. Not so much abandoned as I basically got locked out as well and entirely lost motivation to

Re: [Dbix-class] A slightly more concrete proposal

2016-10-06 Thread fREW Schmidt
Woops, didn't mean to refer to the old version of C4. I don't know the differences between C4.1 and C4.2 are, but I suspect the newer one is probably better. Corrected link is https://rfc.zeromq.org/spec:42/C4/. On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 09:57:38AM -0700, fREW Schmidt wrote: > Hello friends, > >

Re: [Dbix-class] A slightly more concrete proposal

2016-10-06 Thread fREW Schmidt
Hello friends, TL;DR: * Given that we want stability and community involvment, maybe we should try C4.1 which optimizes for these. * I really strongly think that all members of (AT LEAST) the core group need to act like adults when conversing with other people, especially realizing tha

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Matt S Trout
On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 08:17:49PM -0700, Darren Duncan wrote: > That would be good, also in light with how that sentence continues: > > "I suspect what we need to try and achieve is to get DBIC a bit more > decentralised - have it be a specific framework build atop a > more-like-Plack-for-DB-stuf

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Hartmaier Alexander
Sorry for replying that late but I was away for two month and didn't find the right words in the short peroids of time I had. castaway let me quote her answer in the mail conversation between David Golden and the current PAUSE maintainers of DBIC that preceded this one: Having read the last fe

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Andrew Beverley
I've not got much to add that hasn't already said, except that my current priority is stability and performance over feature improvements. Other than that, I would like to publicly thank Ribasushi for the huge amount of effort and dedication he has put into the project. Not just the code commits,

Re: [Dbix-class] A slightly more concrete proposal

2016-10-06 Thread Wallace Reis
This pretty much matches my situation and opinion. Thanks Riba for the great work so far. +1 for Matt's plan. Cheers, -- Wallace Reis Em 5 de out de 2016 08:55, "Nigel Metheringham" escreveu: Background: I have been a happy DBIx::Class user from the early days. I have some code contribution

Re: [Dbix-class] A slightly more concrete proposal

2016-10-06 Thread Aaron Trevena
On 4 October 2016 at 21:45, Aaron Crane wrote: > Matt S Trout wrote: >> Since people seem to be unsure as to what the alternative to riba's project >> freeze would actually be, let me provide something a little more concrete. >> >> This is intended as a basis for discussion rather than a complete

Re: [Dbix-class] IMPORTANT: A discussion of DBIC governance and future development

2016-10-06 Thread Jess Robinson
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 19:20:51 +0100, Peter Mottram wrote: On 04/10/16 19:08, Matt S Trout wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:49:49PM -0400, Ashley Pond V wrote: I did say MST RFC:MUST be respected. :P This is only here because of you. I was an early CDBI user and was there for the fights over i