Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
Hello, On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 01:19:57AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: No. You (leader@, auditor@) will need to do this on their own. If you want to keep track of the money separately, you'd better keep it marked Debconfn and give leader@, auditor@ authority over it as well. That is what I thought, and why I asked. Of course, the way to keep balances separate is to put them is separate accounts. I agree with the goal here, but... My efforts at tracking DebConf money have not gone so well. This is in part caused by me not ever having access to look at accounts, and not being (on site|in charge of money) once DebConf starts. Other people have had more success than me. Thus, I encourage you all to think about how the DebConf share of Debian money will be tracked. My first reaction is I don't want to be the one doing it. I was going to try to make better money management my goal this year, but if the safest tool for it is taken away, I'm not sure if I want to be the one attempting this anymore. There is plenty else that could be said, such as well, if you were actually able to see DebConf accounts, you wouldn't find things so hard, but that can come if anyone is interested in talking about it. I'm fine with zack spending DebConf money in an emergency, I'm fine merging accounts as long as I'm not the one in charge of tracking things, and maybe I'd be fine trying to track things if we found a way to do it better. How do you all imagine the DebConf/Debian money separation would work if accounts are merged? - Richard -- | Richard Darst - rkd@ - boltzmann: up 577 days, 6:36 |http://rkd.zgib.net - pgp 0xBD356740 | Ye shall know the truth and -- the truth shall make you free ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 05:02:00AM -0500, Richard Darst wrote:
How do you all imagine the DebConf/Debian money separation would work
if accounts are merged?
The basic principle which is at stake here is that DebConf/Debian money
should *not* be separated.
There are two reasons for that: 1) sponsors donate money to DebConf
because it's the Debian conference; 2) in past years Debian has poured
into DebConf something like 70'000$ (very approximate number,
reconstructed by others in the past on this list), if you want a sharp
distinction, one might imagine Debian claiming back that money, which
would be very unpleasant for everybody.
Getting back to your question, I believe that DebConf should be an event
which, in an *amortized* way, costs no money. To cover up for the years
in which the costs are higher than raised money, Debian money should be
used as a bank for DebConf organization.
Keeping track of the cost year after year is up to the conference
budget, which already exists and should allow everybody (including
people outside Debian, for transparency) to see the income/outcome money
year after year. Considering all this, I fail to see why merging
accounts *at FFIS* makes thing any worse.
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[Debconf-team] Header Issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Velimir and I have been mailing each other back and forth, and I'm just waiting for him to send the pictures you want to use for the header. If you send them to me today or tomorrow, we can have the header stuff done this weekend. Hi, I'm not sure what exactly did you and Velimir discuss, but I had pictures ready for a header and if you could give it a shot, we'd really be grateful. Below is a link to archived photos of several buildings in Banja Luka. Each folder begins with a number which represents, sort of a 'priority'; meaning, higher the number, the 'sooner' it comes on the header. If by the end some of the buildings don't fit, than it's not a problem. As for the header itself, these building should be cut out and placed on a background of your choosing (preferably a sky and clouds; seems to fit the best), but experiment, and make several backgrounds if possible. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16156843/header.tar.gz Also, if anyone else is interested feel free to try and make one yourself. Thank you all for your support, Vedran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNXk9jAAoJEEIU23x/a574xPEQAJ13Okck183O0s0Vnlc63ym/ WCMKuZXzR+TtvzK3wnPUN5f0bQ5xENgoOM4jVyM+osmev7cyBagZA2N3bam9wLDN 8ZRE5xp2HeEh81KzSLfkWIQsi4FJD2HvHauRTHiLcaxBBhV8H2WFRNaotBHvOzWf 9CQiDlo+Ad7r703MWBzjf3gixIzWW2HoDIRIzNnR8QB+bidwwlYaXnInp3+0umDR sOHZk7VSak2SoEF6Zhgz0NXvLBkq0brtCM3Qc95928dqE27ciUO7N0LoR07F6gqa p+SQIAEug2NoccAL9PD8oyT9kZqGGhtivQVACdj3XYpTktaI5qI1DoZmGkL1YwI4 wO4jCQ6q39n2cYcMetzL2NdW5C4gWbyadf18nEK2phI+DhIV8JW5jmpLKscKRfnR 8Kh0btHY4d1FYMhPcmaQdpG8P0rxe+YQ0QDdugLw9y3JpkNNpRotPPckvSW27SxN ixfS+pGzwww9eo6o9YzZlThRJArp68iLWc0c5cIgzKExaZKLON8xI9bJimN3vSur t///clYjRqsiAbkW68x+FCgforlLkHMAuGzvp2KBfS1mmPqjC6vqh3e7PQ5XXmbW vlmU3KO+82rGffBx7JO8A3GB1wacsux8QdexaK8j/OzqFAwLtaeO7fp6w41MCEyx DBBBkfcr9AABzu5wzy4h =ZAs1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] Header Issues
i guess i don't need to send anything then :) Velimir 2011/2/18 Vedran Omeragic ved...@vedranomeragic.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Velimir and I have been mailing each other back and forth, and I'm just waiting for him to send the pictures you want to use for the header. If you send them to me today or tomorrow, we can have the header stuff done this weekend. Hi, I'm not sure what exactly did you and Velimir discuss, but I had pictures ready for a header and if you could give it a shot, we'd really be grateful. Below is a link to archived photos of several buildings in Banja Luka. Each folder begins with a number which represents, sort of a 'priority'; meaning, higher the number, the 'sooner' it comes on the header. If by the end some of the buildings don't fit, than it's not a problem. As for the header itself, these building should be cut out and placed on a background of your choosing (preferably a sky and clouds; seems to fit the best), but experiment, and make several backgrounds if possible. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16156843/header.tar.gz Also, if anyone else is interested feel free to try and make one yourself. Thank you all for your support, Vedran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNXk9jAAoJEEIU23x/a574xPEQAJ13Okck183O0s0Vnlc63ym/ WCMKuZXzR+TtvzK3wnPUN5f0bQ5xENgoOM4jVyM+osmev7cyBagZA2N3bam9wLDN 8ZRE5xp2HeEh81KzSLfkWIQsi4FJD2HvHauRTHiLcaxBBhV8H2WFRNaotBHvOzWf 9CQiDlo+Ad7r703MWBzjf3gixIzWW2HoDIRIzNnR8QB+bidwwlYaXnInp3+0umDR sOHZk7VSak2SoEF6Zhgz0NXvLBkq0brtCM3Qc95928dqE27ciUO7N0LoR07F6gqa p+SQIAEug2NoccAL9PD8oyT9kZqGGhtivQVACdj3XYpTktaI5qI1DoZmGkL1YwI4 wO4jCQ6q39n2cYcMetzL2NdW5C4gWbyadf18nEK2phI+DhIV8JW5jmpLKscKRfnR 8Kh0btHY4d1FYMhPcmaQdpG8P0rxe+YQ0QDdugLw9y3JpkNNpRotPPckvSW27SxN ixfS+pGzwww9eo6o9YzZlThRJArp68iLWc0c5cIgzKExaZKLON8xI9bJimN3vSur t///clYjRqsiAbkW68x+FCgforlLkHMAuGzvp2KBfS1mmPqjC6vqh3e7PQ5XXmbW vlmU3KO+82rGffBx7JO8A3GB1wacsux8QdexaK8j/OzqFAwLtaeO7fp6w41MCEyx DBBBkfcr9AABzu5wzy4h =ZAs1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf11-localteam mailing list debconf11-localt...@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf11-localteam ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
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2011/2/18 Vedran Omeragic ved...@vedranomeragic.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Velimir and I have been mailing each other back and forth, and I'm just waiting for him to send the pictures you want to use for the header. If you send them to me today or tomorrow, we can have the header stuff done this weekend. Hi, I'm not sure what exactly did you and Velimir discuss, but I had pictures ready for a header and if you could give it a shot, we'd really be grateful. Below is a link to archived photos of several buildings in Banja Luka. Each folder begins with a number which represents, sort of a 'priority'; meaning, higher the number, the 'sooner' it comes on the header. If by the end some of the buildings don't fit, than it's not a problem. You mean that you want to mix several photos in one single header? As for the header itself, these building should be cut out and placed on a background of your choosing (preferably a sky and clouds; seems to fit the best), but experiment, and make several backgrounds if possible. I will. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16156843/header.tar.gz Thank you for the photos. Also, if anyone else is interested feel free to try and make one yourself. Thank you all for your support, Vedran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNXk9jAAoJEEIU23x/a574xPEQAJ13Okck183O0s0Vnlc63ym/ WCMKuZXzR+TtvzK3wnPUN5f0bQ5xENgoOM4jVyM+osmev7cyBagZA2N3bam9wLDN 8ZRE5xp2HeEh81KzSLfkWIQsi4FJD2HvHauRTHiLcaxBBhV8H2WFRNaotBHvOzWf 9CQiDlo+Ad7r703MWBzjf3gixIzWW2HoDIRIzNnR8QB+bidwwlYaXnInp3+0umDR sOHZk7VSak2SoEF6Zhgz0NXvLBkq0brtCM3Qc95928dqE27ciUO7N0LoR07F6gqa p+SQIAEug2NoccAL9PD8oyT9kZqGGhtivQVACdj3XYpTktaI5qI1DoZmGkL1YwI4 wO4jCQ6q39n2cYcMetzL2NdW5C4gWbyadf18nEK2phI+DhIV8JW5jmpLKscKRfnR 8Kh0btHY4d1FYMhPcmaQdpG8P0rxe+YQ0QDdugLw9y3JpkNNpRotPPckvSW27SxN ixfS+pGzwww9eo6o9YzZlThRJArp68iLWc0c5cIgzKExaZKLON8xI9bJimN3vSur t///clYjRqsiAbkW68x+FCgforlLkHMAuGzvp2KBfS1mmPqjC6vqh3e7PQ5XXmbW vlmU3KO+82rGffBx7JO8A3GB1wacsux8QdexaK8j/OzqFAwLtaeO7fp6w41MCEyx DBBBkfcr9AABzu5wzy4h =ZAs1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 06:28:38PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
To me this sounds more like it would would be helpful for you all if
the money would continue to be earmarked differently in the future but
that the Debian project leader and accountant should get a view to
that money as well.
AFAIK, this is what is already happening on the other side of the ocean
(i.e. at SPI): money are all together, with specific DebConf earmark. I
presume DebConf people could know the earmark by asking the SPI
treasurer. The anomaly of the present situation at FFIS is to have 2
separate accounts, instead of the earmarking.
Note that the problem of two separate accounts is not only of visibility
(although that is the most pressing one). The other problem is that I
still consider that in case of some emergency---say $n servers failing
tomorrow at the same time---Debian should be able to use DebConf money
to buy back those servers, without having to wait for the authorization
of the liaisons people for the DebConf account (which are not the same
liaisons people for the Debian account).
Current SPI setting allows for that, while current FFIS setting
(i.e. the split) does not. Obviously, I hope something like the above
will *never* happen, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried about
similar scenarios.
Hope this sheds some (more) light,
Cheers.
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Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
Hi! Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 06:28:38PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: To me this sounds more like it would would be helpful for you all if the money would continue to be earmarked differently in the future but that the Debian project leader and accountant should get a view to that money as well. AFAIK, this is what is already happening on the other side of the ocean (i.e. at SPI): money are all together, with specific DebConf earmark. I presume DebConf people could know the earmark by asking the SPI treasurer. The anomaly of the present situation at FFIS is to have 2 separate accounts, instead of the earmarking. No. We do have earmarkings, otherwise you won't be able to see anything. It's just that the leader account is limited to Debian and Holger's account is limited to Debconf. Maybe all you want to have is that the Debian project leader and accountant should get a view to that money as well. I already wrote that it's no problem to enrich the leader account with Debconf information. Note that the problem of two separate accounts is not only of visibility (although that is the most pressing one). The other problem is that I still consider that in case of some emergency---say $n servers failing tomorrow at the same time---Debian should be able to use DebConf money to buy back those servers, without having to wait for the authorization of the liaisons people for the DebConf account (which are not the same liaisons people for the Debian account). That's a political question you (DPL and Debconf orga) need to solve, nothing that can be solved technically. Current SPI setting allows for that, while current FFIS setting (i.e. the split) does not. Obviously, I hope something like the above will *never* happen, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried about similar scenarios. Sorry, but... Why didn't you just ask? The same is possible here as well - as I've outlined several days ago as well. So, is this all? Then all Debconf people need to do is (a) decide that leader@ and auditor@ should be able to view Debconf money as well - AND - (b) authorise leader@ for payments. Signed mails are welcome. Regards, Joey -- The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media. -- H. Peter Anvin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 09:24:24PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
I already wrote that it's no problem to enrich the leader account with
Debconf information.
Yes, and I got that, but as long as the accounts are separate, I don't
think it should be me asking for that, but rather the current DebConf
liaisons. (Otherwise you'd have all the rights to refuse my request.)
Note that the problem of two separate accounts is not only of visibility
(although that is the most pressing one). The other problem is that I
still consider that in case of some emergency---say $n servers failing
tomorrow at the same time---Debian should be able to use DebConf money
to buy back those servers, without having to wait for the authorization
of the liaisons people for the DebConf account (which are not the same
liaisons people for the Debian account).
That's a political question you (DPL and Debconf orga) need to solve,
nothing that can be solved technically.
Agreed. Arguably, I should have dropper FFIS in my reply (I did in a
previous one, although someone added you back), as I precisely wanted to
discuss that with DebConf team.
Current SPI setting allows for that, while current FFIS setting
(i.e. the split) does not. Obviously, I hope something like the above
will *never* happen, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried about
similar scenarios.
Sorry, but... Why didn't you just ask? The same is possible here as
well - as I've outlined several days ago as well.
Same reason as above: it shouldn't be me asking for that.
So, is this all? Then all Debconf people need to do is
(a) decide that leader@ and auditor@ should be able to view Debconf
money as well - AND -
(b) authorise leader@ for payments.
That would solve the problems outlined in this thread, but it would
still be worse than the merge, for a very simple reason: either me or
the auditors, to know the actual total amount of reserves would need to
check two accounts instead of one. It's clearly doable, but it's also
clearly less handy than the merge situation.
Additionally, keeping the separation will further the feeling in the
community that DebConf and Debian are two separate entities, while they
are not. We've been trying to fix that, together with several DebConf
team people, since the Debian vs DebConf BoF at DebConf10. This is, as
well as yours, a point I've already made in this thread.
All in all, I observe we're now re-discussing things from
scratch---starting from Richard's mail---while at the beginning of this
thread it seemed to me we agreed in going ahead with the merge.
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Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Current SPI setting allows for that, while current FFIS setting (i.e. the split) does not. Obviously, I hope something like the above will *never* happen, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried about similar scenarios. Sorry, but... Why didn't you just ask? The same is possible here as well - as I've outlined several days ago as well. Same reason as above: it shouldn't be me asking for that. That's rediculous. If you would like to have access and view, you should ask. We cannot process your request unless the Debconf people agree, though, howver putting them in Cc will give them a chance to agree and disagree. Two of them have agreed already if I remember correctly. So, is this all? Then all Debconf people need to do is (a) decide that leader@ and auditor@ should be able to view Debconf money as well - AND - (b) authorise leader@ for payments. That would solve the problems outlined in this thread, but it would still be worse than the merge, for a very simple reason: either me or the auditors, to know the actual total amount of reserves would need to check two accounts instead of one. It's clearly doable, but it's also clearly less handy than the merge situation. Nope. Maybe it's easier to write this as relation like in databases: account/login 1 n earmarks for money The auditors account is totally separate from your account. Both can view some projects. They can be the same, but the could be different, they could also be several of which some are shared. Additionally, keeping the separation will further the feeling in the community that DebConf and Debian are two separate entities, while they That's up to you. You don't need to tell the community that you're tracking money separately. You also don't need to try to get an even sum after each Debconf, however you wrote earlier that you would like this. Seems you are separating money already. All in all, I observe we're now re-discussing things from scratch---starting from Richard's mail---while at the beginning of this thread it seemed to me we agreed in going ahead with the merge. I'm sorry. I hope that I don't add more confusion. I'm only trying to help and offer possibilities and answer questions if somebody asks. Additionally, it occurs to me that you're discussing things that can be solved much easier than you think - or I'm unable to parse some of the mails. Regards, Joey -- The MS-DOS filesystem is nice for removable media. -- H. Peter Anvin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 09:47:50PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: That would solve the problems outlined in this thread, but it would still be worse than the merge, for a very simple reason: either me or the auditors, to know the actual total amount of reserves would need to check two accounts instead of one. It's clearly doable, but it's also clearly less handy than the merge situation. Is there a technical difference in the process of FFIS merging the accounts versus the DPL assuming control of both accounts, authorizing all the funds in the DebConf account to be transferred to the Debian account, and then closing the DebConf account afterwards? If there is, are there any legal implications to either option? ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Extra money we forgot we had
Clint Adams wrote:
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 09:47:50PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
That would solve the problems outlined in this thread, but it would
still be worse than the merge, for a very simple reason: either me or
the auditors, to know the actual total amount of reserves would need to
check two accounts instead of one. It's clearly doable, but it's also
clearly less handy than the merge situation.
Is there a technical difference in the process of FFIS merging the
accounts versus the DPL assuming control of both accounts, authorizing
all the funds in the DebConf account to be transferred to the Debian
account, and then closing the DebConf account afterwards?
Yes. A lot.
The difference is between:
UPDATE account_details SET earmark = 'Debian' WHERE earmark = 'Debconf';
DELETE FROM account_authority WHERE earmark = 'Debconf';
DELETE FROM account_views WHERE earmark = 'Debconf';
versus
INSERT INTO account_authority (earmark,name) ('Debconf','Zack');
If there is, are there any legal implications to either option?
None.
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Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf11-localteam] Header Issues
Hey there, Had some free time and made a little something. Two things are different then in the current header: - Height is 100px instead of 49px, but that height was also used on debconf10.debconf.org - Added city/country to the logo. It's a bit hard to read, but it's a long word :) Files are here: Example 1 - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/9225 Example 2 - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/9226 Logo - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/9227 Logo2 - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/9228 Panoramic - http://www.pasteall.org/pic/9229 Can always do some additional tweaks if needed. Cheers, Zoja On 2/18/11 3:28 PM, Leandro Gómez wrote: 2011/2/18 Vedran Omeragic ved...@vedranomeragic.com mailto:ved...@vedranomeragic.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Velimir and I have been mailing each other back and forth, and I'm just waiting for him to send the pictures you want to use for the header. If you send them to me today or tomorrow, we can have the header stuff done this weekend. Hi, I'm not sure what exactly did you and Velimir discuss, but I had pictures ready for a header and if you could give it a shot, we'd really be grateful. Below is a link to archived photos of several buildings in Banja Luka. Each folder begins with a number which represents, sort of a 'priority'; meaning, higher the number, the 'sooner' it comes on the header. If by the end some of the buildings don't fit, than it's not a problem. You mean that you want to mix several photos in one single header? As for the header itself, these building should be cut out and placed on a background of your choosing (preferably a sky and clouds; seems to fit the best), but experiment, and make several backgrounds if possible. I will. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16156843/header.tar.gz Thank you for the photos. Also, if anyone else is interested feel free to try and make one yourself. Thank you all for your support, Vedran -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNXk9jAAoJEEIU23x/a574xPEQAJ13Okck183O0s0Vnlc63ym/ WCMKuZXzR+TtvzK3wnPUN5f0bQ5xENgoOM4jVyM+osmev7cyBagZA2N3bam9wLDN 8ZRE5xp2HeEh81KzSLfkWIQsi4FJD2HvHauRTHiLcaxBBhV8H2WFRNaotBHvOzWf 9CQiDlo+Ad7r703MWBzjf3gixIzWW2HoDIRIzNnR8QB+bidwwlYaXnInp3+0umDR sOHZk7VSak2SoEF6Zhgz0NXvLBkq0brtCM3Qc95928dqE27ciUO7N0LoR07F6gqa p+SQIAEug2NoccAL9PD8oyT9kZqGGhtivQVACdj3XYpTktaI5qI1DoZmGkL1YwI4 wO4jCQ6q39n2cYcMetzL2NdW5C4gWbyadf18nEK2phI+DhIV8JW5jmpLKscKRfnR 8Kh0btHY4d1FYMhPcmaQdpG8P0rxe+YQ0QDdugLw9y3JpkNNpRotPPckvSW27SxN ixfS+pGzwww9eo6o9YzZlThRJArp68iLWc0c5cIgzKExaZKLON8xI9bJimN3vSur t///clYjRqsiAbkW68x+FCgforlLkHMAuGzvp2KBfS1mmPqjC6vqh3e7PQ5XXmbW vlmU3KO+82rGffBx7JO8A3GB1wacsux8QdexaK8j/OzqFAwLtaeO7fp6w41MCEyx DBBBkfcr9AABzu5wzy4h =ZAs1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Debconf11-localteam mailing list debconf11-localt...@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf11-localteam ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
