Bug#994275: Call for votes on "Reverting breaking changes in debianutils"

> === Resolution A === > > The Technical Committee resolves: > > 1. The debianutils package must continue to provide the which(1) program >until a compatible utility is available in a package that is at least >transitively essential in Debian 12. > >For the Debian 12 release, we

Bug#994388: tech-ctte: More specific advice regarding merged-/usr and implications of #978636

> I'm calling for votes on the following resolution as formal advice from > the Technical Committee (Constitution §6.1.5). There are no non-accepted > amendments, so the options to vote on are "yes" or "further discussion". My vote on the text quoted below: yes > further discussion > >

Bug#975075: Closing as this has been resolved without the TC needing to intervene

Hi, It's been a while since this bug was dealt with and I was tasked with closing it, I'm sorry that it took so long to write this reply. The technical committee declines to overrule the NetworkManager and udisks2 maintainer on this matter. Instead, by working together with the maintainer

Next Meeting - March 17th at 18:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place tomorrow, March 17th at 18:00 UTC. For those of you in the US or Canada, please note that the meeting is in UTC time and so it will be one hour later than it was during the winter (for those of us in Europe or

Bug#985270: Resignation + Call for votes for new Chair

Hi! > ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A : Margarita Manterola > B : David Bremner > C : Niko Tyni > D : Gunnar Wolf > E : Simon McVittie > F : Sean Whitton > G : Elana Hashman > H : Christoph Berg > >

Bug#985270: Resignation + Call for votes for new Chair

. In accordance with Section 6.1.7 of the Debian Constitution, the vote runs until all members have voted, or until my resignation takes effect. The ballot is the following: ===BEGIN=== The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: A : Margarita Manterola B : David Bremner C : Niko Tyni D

Resignation + Call for votes for new Chair

members have voted, or until my resignation takes effect. The ballot is the following: ===BEGIN=== The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: A : Margarita Manterola B : David Bremner C : Niko Tyni D : Gunnar Wolf E : Simon McVittie F : Sean Whitton G : Elana Hashman H : Christoph

Bug#982987: Call for votes for new CTTE member

Hi! Sorry I missed voting for this. My email had been broken due to my personal domain being down and I didn't get the emails. Just for the record... > ===BEGIN > > The Technical Committee recommends that Christoph Berg be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. >

Next Meeting - February 17th at 18:00 UTC (in ~1 hour)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, February 17th at 18:00 UTC. We currently have 2 open bugs (one of which is on my plate to close) Topics for our agenda are: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #975075 - Should NetworkManager support

Bug#978636: move to merged-usr-only?

Hola Sean Whitton! > ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee resolves that Debian 'bookworm' should support > only the merged-usr root filesystem layout, dropping support for the > non-merged-usr layout. > > Until after the release of 'bullseye', any implementation of this > resolution must be done

Next Meeting - January 20th at 18:00 UTC (in 2 hours)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, January 20th at 18:00 UTC. We currently have a five open bugs, we really need to make some progress on closing a few of those. Topics for our agenda are: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #971515 -

Re: Additional TC meeting before next one

Dear committee members, The votes are in and it looks like while no date is good for everybody, next Wednesday should work. So, we'll meet again on Wednesday December 23rd, at 18:00 UTC. To make the most out of this meeting, we should all try to be up to speed with the latest information on

Additional TC meeting before next one

Hey all, TL;DR: next meeting poll at: https://xoyondo.com/op/XH9BddY6TL6BBin Today we had an interesting discussion during our TC meeting [1], but we didn't manage to come to a conclusion regarding #975075 - Should maintainers be able to block init compatibility changes? Given that taking a

Next Meeting - December 16th at 18:00 UTC (in 1.5 hours)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, December 16th at 18:00 UTC. We currently have a few ongoing bugs, we should try to make progress on them. Topics for our agenda are: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #971515 - kubernetes: excessive

Next Meeting - October 21st at 18:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place tomorrow, October 21st at 18:00 UTC. We currently have one ongoing bug, that hasn't seen much traffic on our side (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=971515) Topics for our agenda are: *

Next Meeting - September 16th at 18:00 UTC (in about 1.5 hours)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, September 15th at 18:00 UTC. We currently don't have any ongoing bugs, the main topics for our agenda are: * Follow up from the DebConf20 discussion (we should decide what we want to do next) *

Bits from the Technical Committee

committee! On June 3rd, 2020, we welcomed two new team members: Sean Whitton and Elana Hashman. Thanks Sean and Elana for agreeing to be part of the committee :). This is our current roster and expected term limits assuming nobody resigns: * Philip Hands - Until Dec 2020 * Margarita Mantero

Next Meeting - August 19th at 18:00 UTC (in about 2 hours)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, August 19th at 18:00 UTC. Please note that this is our new timeslot, **one hour earlier than before**. We currently don't have any ongoing bugs, but we have a talk at DebConf coming up next week. *

Re: CTTE requesting questions for DebConf20 BoF

Hi Holger! On 2020-07-27 20:23, Holger Levsen wrote: In general I liked what I read, I just have a question or maybe two... Thanks! **Proposal 2**: Explicitly delegate the mediation task for solving social conflict between developers, when no code-of-conduct violation is in place. This

Bug#965080: Resignation + Call for votes for new Chair

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The winners are: Option B "Margarita Manterola" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I guess

Re: Rethinking the role of the TC

Hi, Thanks for your feedback, I reply below to the points that you raised. Please know that my document is mostly intended to start a conversation, not to finish it :). On 2020-07-18 19:16, Sean Whitton wrote: Non-CoC social issues often arrive tangled up with the technical issues that

Rethinking the role of the TC

Dear committee members and friends subscribed to this mailing lists, After months of procrastinating on this issue, I've finally managed to put down all the thoughts collected during and after DC19 regarding the role of the TC into a doc. The doc collects the main problems that have been

Re: Considering Presenting a Talk on Alternate Structures for the TC--How to Do So Constructively

Hi Sam, Sorry for not replying to this earlier. On 2020-06-26 14:05, Sam Hartman wrote: David Bremner is concerned that me just submitting a talk might come across as not constructive, and I agree that without working together and coordinating this could be a problem. He also said that you

Bug#965080: Resignation + Call for votes for new Chair

Constitution, the vote runs until all members have voted, or until my resignation takes effect. The ballot is the following: ===BEGIN=== The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: A : Philip Hands B : Margarita Manterola C : David Bremner D : Niko Tyni E : Gunnar Wolf F : Simon McVittie

Resignation + Call for votes for new Chair

effect. The ballot is the following: ===BEGIN=== The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: A : Philip Hands B : Margarita Manterola C : David Bremner D : Niko Tyni E : Gunnar Wolf F : Simon McVittie G : Sean Whitton H : Elana Hashman ===END=== -- Regards, Marga

Next Meeting - June 17th at 19:00 UTC (in about 2 hours)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, June 17th at 19:00 UTC. We currently don't have any ongoing bugs, but we have new members! This is the agenda for the meeting: * Review of previous meetings AIs * Welcome the new committee members *

Bug#961153: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Sean Whitton

> ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Sean Whitton be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > S: Recommend to Appoint Sean Whitton > F: Further Discussion > ===END I vote S > F -- Cheers, Marga signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Bug#961156: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana Hashman

> ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Elana Hashman be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > S: Recommend to Appoint Elana Hashman > F: Further Discussion > ===END I vote S > F -- Cheers, Marga signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Next Meeting - April 15th at 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting is scheduled to take place today, April 15th at 19:00 UTC. Reminder for those of us in Europe, that time changed between last meeting and this one, so the meeting is now one hour later compared to last month. We currently don't have

Next Meeting - March 18th at 19:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, While we're trying to survive the coronavirus crisis, our virtual meetings go on unaffected. Our monthly meeting will take place tomorrow, March 18th at 19:00 UTC Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meetings AIs * #947847 - please install

Next Meeting - February 19th at 19:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place tomorrow, February 19th at 19:00 UTC Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meetings AIs * #947847 - please install systemd-sysusers using update-alternatives * Recruiting efforts * Any other business Notes

Next Meeting - January 15th at 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Happy 2020 to all of you! Our monthly meeting will take place today, January 15th at 19:00 UTC (in about an hour). Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meetings AIs * Recruiting efforts * Any other business Notes from the previous meeting

Next Meeting - Wednesday, December 18th 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today, December 18th at 19:00 UTC (in about 3.5 hours). Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meetings AIs * #934948 Dropping dependencies to avoid extra binary package when same source package targets more

Next Meeting - Wednesday, November 20th 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today, November 20th at 19:00 UTC (in less than 2 hours). Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meetings AIs * #934948 Dropping dependencies to avoid extra binary package when same source package targets more

Next Meeting - Wednesday, October 16th 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today, September 18th at 19:00 UTC. Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meetings AIs * #934948 Dropping dependencies to avoid extra binary package when same source package targets more than one environment *

Next Meeting - Wednesday, September 18th 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today, September 18th at 19:00 UTC. Our agenda for the meeting is: * #932795 How to handle FTBFS bugs in release architectures * #934948 Unnecessary dependencies vs multiple binary packages * The nature of the TC and

Next Meeting - Wednesday, August 21st 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today, August 21st at 19:00 UTC. Our agenda for the meeting is: * #932795 How to handle FTBFS bugs in release architectures * #934948 Unnecessary dependencies vs multiple binary packages * The nature of the TC and whether

Re: Thinking about Delegating Decisions about Policy

Thanks a lot Guillem for this message. It's very timely as we just had a discussion around these issues during DebConf19 in Curitiba, and many of the problems that we identified and discussed matched what your were saying. I think the TC needs to keep working on these issues and figure out how

Re: Thinking about Delegating Decisions about Policy

Hey Sam, Sorry it took us so long to get back to you on this. Sean and Ian already had quite some interesting discussion on this subject. And we also talked about this issue during our monthly meeting in June [1]. The rough consensus from our discussion is that the technical committee can

Next Meeting - Wednesday, June 19th 19:00 UTC (today/tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place on June 19th at 19:00 UTC, which might be tomorrow or today, by the time you read this. Our agenda for the meeting is: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #923450 Requirements for being pre-dependency of bin:init * Sam's

Re: Bug#904558: What should happen when maintscripts fail to restart a service

Apologies for the long delay. We discussed this issue in several TC meetings without being able to make real progress. After several rounds of discussions we came to the conclusion that the reason why we can't make progress is that we always end up hitting the wall of "The Technical

Next Meeting - Wednesday, April 17th 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today at 19:00 UTC. Our agenda for today is: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #904558 What should happen when maintscripts fail to restart a service * #923450 Requirements for being pre-dependency of bin:init *

#923450 tech-ctte: requirements for being pre-dependency of bin:init

There was a bug filed to tech-ctte on Feb 28th that never reached our mailing list. The email was rejected by Debian's list managing machine (bendel) because Amavis said "bad header". I'm copying it here now, so that people that don't actively check our bug tracker also have the context of

Next Meeting - Wednesday, March 20th 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today at 19:00 UTC. Our agenda for today is: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #904558 What should happen when maintscripts fail to restart a service * #923450 Requirements for being pre-dependency of bin:init *

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

Hi, > - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > The winners are: >Option M `middle` >Option H `hard` > > - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Dear Marga, as Chair, could you please make use of your

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

> === Resolution === > > The Technical Committee resolves to decline to override the debootstrap > maintainers. > > Furthermore, using its §6.1.5 "Offering advice" power, the Technical > Committee considers that the desirable solution at the time of `bullseye` is: > > * W: `weak`: both

Term limits

Hi! I was about to send the mail to d-d-a as agreed in the meeting today and started looking into previous mails and appointments and I think we may have made a mistake thinking that Didier's and Tollef's terms expire this year. They were both appointed on March 8th 2015:

Next Meeting - Wednesday, November 21st 19:00 UTC (today)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place today at 19:00 UTC. This is in 5 hours, sorry about the late notice. Our agenda for today is: * Review of previous meeting AIs * #904558 What should happen when maintscripts fail to restart a service * #911225 Advice

Next Meeting - Wednesday, October 17th 19:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. Our agenda for tomorrow looks almost the same as last time. But with all the discussion that has happend, I hope we can make progress faster than last time. * Review of previous meeting AIs * #904302

Next Meeting - Wednesday, September 19th 19:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Technical Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. These are the items in the agenda (also committed to git): * Review of previous meeting AIs * #904302 Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive * #904558 What should

Bug#904558: What should happen when maintscripts fail to restart a service

Hi, Sorry that it took so long to get back to this bug. The other bug took all the attention. On 2018-07-25 06:07, Sean Whitton wrote: If postinst or one of the other scripts does a service restart and the restart operation fails, should the postinst abort or should it mask the

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive

On 2018-08-09 21:22, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: It's now been five days since I mailed the various package maintainers. I intend to write up a resolution and then call for a vote in the not-too-distant future, so if there is anything we have not covered in the discussion so far, please chime in

Next Meeting - Wednesday, August 15th 19:00 UTC (tomorrow)

Dear Committee members, Our monthly meeting will take place tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. This time we have open topics to discuss: #904302 Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive #904558 What should happen when maintscripts fail to restart a service As well as

Re: Next Meeting: Wednesday, July 18th 19:00 UTC (today) - Currently no topics

On 2018-07-18 12:24, Margarita Manterola wrote: Do we want to meet tonight and talk about the upcoming DebConf presentation? Those of us not going could help with the preparation task even if not present at the conference. If whoever is in charge of the presentation (who is that?) thinks

Next Meeting: Wednesday, July 18th 19:00 UTC (today) - Currently no topics

Hi! The time for the monthly committee meeting has arrived again, the meeting is scheduled to happen in 7.5h. And again there don't seem to be any topics to discuss. There are no open bugs in our queue and there has been no traffic in our mailing list. The only Committee related activity

Re: Next Meeting: Wednesday, June 20th 19:00 UTC (today) - Currently no topics

On 2018-06-20 06:49, Margarita Manterola wrote: Hi! Our next meeting is scheduled for today in 7 hours, and again there doesn't seem to be any topics that we should be discussing. If by 2 hours before the meeting nobody has come up with a discussion topic, we should cancel the meeting

Next Meeting: Wednesday, June 20th 19:00 UTC (today) - Currently no topics

Hi! Our next meeting is scheduled for today in 7 hours, and again there doesn't seem to be any topics that we should be discussing. If by 2 hours before the meeting nobody has come up with a discussion topic, we should cancel the meeting. -- Regards, Marga

Re: Next Meeting: Wednesday, May 16th 19:00 UTC (today) - Currently no topics

Hi! The next meeting is scheduled to take place today at 19:00 UTC. As there was nothing to discuss, this meeting has been canceled. As David mentioned in IRC and I mentioned in person to the people in Hamburg, it is a bit worrying to not have anything to discuss, twice in a row. But I

Next Meeting: Wednesday, May 16th 19:00 UTC (today) - Currently no topics

Hi! The next meeting is scheduled to take place today at 19:00 UTC. There are currently no open issues in our bug tracker. As far as I know, there are no pending TODOs. We have agreed to postpone recruiting efforts until September, as all our seats are currently taken. Are there any other

Bug#893200: TC Chair election

> ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A : Didier Raboud > B : Tollef Fog Heen > C : Phil Hands > D : Margarita Manterola > E : David Bremner > F : Niko Tyni > G : Gunnar Wolf > H : Simon McVittie > ===END===

Bug#862051: Refer #862051 to ctte (WAS: nodejs-legacy: possibly drop this package, now that ax25-node has been removed?)

Hi, Unfortunately the initial reassign message didn't make it to the debian-ctte list, so quoting it here for context: > Control: retitle -1 Rename nodejs back to node for buster, now that > ax25-node has been removed? > Dear tech-ctte, > > In 2012, the decision was made to rename Node.js'

Bug#860520: Voting for TC Chair

Hola Didier 'OdyX' Raboud! > ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A: Keith Packard > B: Didier Raboud > C: Tollef Fog Heen > D: Sam Hartman > E: Phil Hands > F: Margarita Manterola > G: David Bremner > ===END===

Bug#836127: Call for Votes for new CTTE Member

> ===BEGIN > > The Technical Committee recommends that David Bremner be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > A: Recommend to Appoint David Bremner > B: Further Discussion > > ===END I vote A > B Sorry for the delay, it's been a crazy week. -- Regards,

Bug#846002: Call for votes on resolution for #846002 (blends-tasks)

> RESOLUTION > > Background > > The blends-tasks package was uploaded in April 2016 setting its priority to > important. The result of this change was that the package started getting > automatically installed by debootstrap, with the intended effect of causing > the > list of tasks

Bug#846002: Call for votes on resolution for #846002 (blends-tasks)

I call for votes on the following resolution with regards to #846002: RESOLUTION Background The blends-tasks package was uploaded in April 2016 setting its priority to important. The result of this change was that the package started getting automatically installed by debootstrap,

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important - ballot proposal

> I believe the TC should rule on this issue and I propose the following ballot: > > A: The blends-tasks package should be dropped and its contents integrated into > tasksel. > Z: Further discussion > > (...) > My vote for the above mentioned ballot, then:

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important - ballot proposal

Hola Ole Streicher! First let me start by saying that I'm sorry that you felt accused. It was not my intention to turn this into some kind of finger pointing, and I'm genuinely sorry of my choice of language, as it clearly wasn't good enough to show that. Let me assure you that the only thing I

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important - ballot proposal

Hi, I was supposed to do this last week, but Christmas got in the way. Apologies for the delay. While it's great that there is a possibly better solution in the works for the tasksel screen, there's still the issue at hand that blends-tasks has used the severity of the package as a way of

Bug#841294: Overrule maintainer of "global" to package a new upstream version

> Philip Hands writes: > It seems like you are tempted to drop htags anyway now, so calling the > version 6 package 'global' and adding the global5 package to give people > an escape route seems like the right thing to do. > > That also makes it much easier to detect when people

Bug#830344: Moving forward with the Project Roadmap question

El Jueves 11 Agosto 2016 21:37 CEST, Lucas Nussbaum <lu...@debian.org> Ha escrito: > On 11/08/16 at 20:17 +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > 2) The TC will act as an advisor to the Roadmap Team > > 3) The TC will not be involved as body with the Roadmap Team > > I

Bug#830344: Moving forward with the Project Roadmap question

There seems to be mostly agreement on the fact that we want the Project Roadmap to contain goals with owners, allowing to track the progress of the goals and helping the owners promote them. As has been noted by Mehdi, this has a lot of nice effects like improving project wide communication of

Bug#830344: How should the TC help with a project roadmap?

For documentation purposes, I list below my summary of the points that were raised during the Roadmap BOF. These items are separate and may not necessarily all (or even any) need to be true in the implementation adopted. During the BOF there were disagreements on almost all of them. a. Proposals