Zack Weinberg writes:
> That does not clearly say that a *pair* of packages, where one installs
> files in /path and the other one installs files in /usr/path, is not
> allowed. I'm guessing it was the *intent*, but the example, at least,
> makes it sound like it's only talking about within a
On 2022-09-28 2:16 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
"Zack Weinberg" writes:
1. Is there already a rule (or multiple rules) somewhere that forbids
the existence of pairs of packages where one ships /X/Y and the
other ships /usr/X/Y, where X is a directory on non-merged-/usr
systems and a
"Zack Weinberg" writes:
> 1. Is there already a rule (or multiple rules) somewhere that forbids
>the existence of pairs of packages where one ships /X/Y and the
>other ships /usr/X/Y, where X is a directory on non-merged-/usr
>systems and a symlink on merged-/usr systems, and Y is
Hi,
I would really appreciate if you quote your reply properly:
It was not Andreas Metzler who sent the below:
> On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 18:25 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
> > [...]
On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 11:55 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >
> > > This
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 5:08 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> You can easily revert any system having usrmerge installed with dpkg-
> fsys-usrunmess. This should be known by all Debian users, by some
> suitable channel.
Having used it myself a couple of times, I would question "easily". If all
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 1:40 PM, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Hi Zack,
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 12:29:19PM -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
>> I thought about this a bunch yesterday evening and I believe I see a
>> concrete scenario that can cause problems but is not covered by the
>> moratorium: Suppose
Hi Zack,
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 12:29:19PM -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> I thought about this a bunch yesterday evening and I believe I see a
> concrete scenario that can cause problems but is not covered by the
> moratorium: Suppose there exist two packages, one of which ships
> /bin/foo, and
On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 12:29 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> 1. Is there already a rule (or multiple rules) somewhere that forbids
> the existence of pairs of packages where one ships /X/Y and the
> other ships /usr/X/Y, where X is a directory on non-merged-/usr
> systems and a symlink on
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 4:12 PM, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> On 2022-09-27 10:26:36 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 5:15 AM, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
>> >> I'd like to make sure that the bug submitter has not identified
>> >> something new here.
>> >
>> > I've not seen
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
> [...]
>> What I am asking for is a schedule change: specifically, that the
>> merged /usr transition not be allowed to proceed past the status quo
>> as of two weeks ago (i.e. *before*
On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 09:51 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Hi Luca,
>
> As much as I agree with you on other matters...
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:11:18PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > baseless, patently false statements - I frankly find it quite upsetting
> > to see claimed that "we have
> On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 18:25 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> > On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
> > [...]
> > > What I am asking for is a schedule change: specifically, that the
> > > merged /usr transition not be allowed to proceed past the status
> > > quo as of two weeks ago (i.e. *before*
On Tue, 2022-09-27 at 18:25 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote:
> On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
> [...]
> > What I am asking for is a schedule change: specifically, that the
> > merged /usr transition not be allowed to proceed past the status
> > quo as of two weeks ago (i.e. *before*
Hi Luca,
As much as I agree with you on other matters...
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:11:18PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> baseless, patently false statements - I frankly find it quite upsetting
> to see claimed that "we have refused to fix any bug" as a self-evident
> fact, when even a cursory
Hello,
On Tue 27 Sep 2022 at 09:23AM +01, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> As Sean says, though, questions of what are and aren't RC bugs are typically
> the domain of the release team, not the TC.
I didn't intend to say that -- I think that Policy+TC decides bug
severities, in general. But the RT
Hello,
On Tue 27 Sep 2022 at 10:07AM -04, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> I may have misunderstood the TC recommendation here. I was under the
> impression that the “no migration of file paths” rule was *only* in
> effect until the release of bookworm, and that it was motivated by the
> need to continue
Christoph Berg dijo [Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:23:32PM +0200]:
> Re: Sean Whitton
> > Therefore, we will likely just close this bug, I'm afraid.
>
> +1 on closing from me.
I agree this bug should be closed. I won't comment more, as there is
not much more to add without going in circles back to
Hello,
On Mon 26 Sep 2022 at 04:48PM -04, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> I'm surprised to hear you say that, given that, in the past, the TC
> has required bugs of various severities to be filed, and has required
> maintainers not to alter bug severities. Almost all of what I'm
> asking for would
Re: Sean Whitton
> Therefore, we will likely just close this bug, I'm afraid.
+1 on closing from me.
Christoph
On 2022-09-27 10:26:36 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 5:15 AM, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> >> I'd like to make sure that the bug submitter has not identified
> >> something new here.
> >
> > I've not seen any new issues appearing since the last round I file bugs.
>
> I
> This particular issue in dpkg is very much known and nothing new (a
> short recap: dpkg can lose files if files are moved between packages
> *and* symlinked directores, such as / and /usr, at the same time).
>
>
> To mitigate it, bluca added a piuparts check which rejects packages
> that move
On 2022-09-27 Zack Weinberg wrote:
[...]
> What I am asking for is a schedule change: specifically, that the
> merged /usr transition not be allowed to proceed past the status quo
> as of two weeks ago (i.e. *before* init-system-helpers added a
> dependency on usrmerge|usr-is-merged) until after
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 5:15 AM, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
>> I'd like to make sure that the bug submitter has not identified
>> something new here.
>
> I've not seen any new issues appearing since the last round I file bugs.
I wasn’t aware that you have been filing bugs related to the
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 4:23 AM, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this to the committee; even if Sean is correct that
> we won't act on this report, you've described the issues clearly and I
> think it was worth bringing to our attention.
Thank you for saying so.
> As Sean says,
[Procedural note: I’m very busy with my day job this week, so I will
be responding to messages related to this report in batch mode, once a
day.]
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes:
>
> Sean> - you might be lacking the full context of
This particular issue in dpkg is very much known and nothing new (a
short recap: dpkg can lose files if files are moved between packages
*and* symlinked directores, such as / and /usr, at the same time).
To mitigate it, bluca added a piuparts check which rejects packages that
move files
On 2022-09-26 14:49:15 -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes:
>
> Sean> - you might be lacking the full context of TC-involving
> Sean> discussions over the past few months, but so far as I can see,
> Sean> you are asking for us to undo a decision that we
On 2022-09-27 09:23:47 +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> Hi Zack,
>
> Thanks for bringing this to the committee; even if Sean is correct that we
> won't act on this report, you've described the issues clearly and I think it
> was worth bringing to our attention.
>
> On 26/09/2022 20:28, Zack
Hi Zack,
Thanks for bringing this to the committee; even if Sean is correct that
we won't act on this report, you've described the issues clearly and I
think it was worth bringing to our attention.
On 26/09/2022 20:28, Zack Weinberg wrote:
It has been known for some time that dpkg has bugs
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 4:30 PM, Sean Whitton wrote:
> I believe that this request is invalid, for two reasons:
>
> - the specific things you ask for are all or mostly things that we think
> are currently up to the Release Team, and the TC cannot override
> delegates
I'm surprised to hear
> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes:
Sean> - you might be lacking the full context of TC-involving
Sean> discussions over the past few months, but so far as I can see,
Sean> you are asking for us to undo a decision that we only just
Sean> made, which doesn't make sense.
Sean, as
Hello,
On Mon 26 Sep 2022 at 03:28PM -04, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> Package: tech-ctte
> Severity: normal
> X-Debbugs-Cc: z...@owlfolio.org
>
> I formally request that the Technical Committee call a halt to the
> merged-/usr transition until such time as all of the bugs in dpkg that
> can, on a
Package: tech-ctte
Severity: normal
X-Debbugs-Cc: z...@owlfolio.org
I formally request that the Technical Committee call a halt to the
merged-/usr transition until such time as all of the bugs in dpkg that
can, on a merged-/usr system, cause damage to the contents of the
filesystem (e.g. packaged
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