Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Mark Eichin
> How about: /usr/bin/latex is a program - my_neat_little_phdthesis.tex is > a file? Actually, /usr/bin/latex is an interpreter. my_neat_little_phdthesis.tex *is* program code, even though the vast proportion of the content will be literal text for output. See Andrew Greene's BASiX (BASIC interp

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:20:28PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > Also consider that pulling gcc from main would fracture the project; it > would become literally impossible to build a completely free OS, given > that the whole ball of wax would depend on a non-free compiler. Why do we need to pull

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:08:53PM -0500, David Starner wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:26:48PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > So the FDL is a free license because it's inconvenient for it to be not? > > No, they're saying that a vast majority of programs which are widely > > considered fre

Re: problem with gvd

2002-04-07 Thread Mark Eichin
This is probably the same "missing build-depends for makeinfo" that id-utils was having trouble with... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Release notes

2002-04-07 Thread Mark Eichin
> I don't see any harm in making up jigdo files for DVDs --- I don't see Ooh, yes, please - I'd love to be able to make bootable dvds to pass around here [MIT area.] > Of course, if loads of people with DVD writers mail me, I'm likely to be metoo :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

2002-04-07 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Anthony Towns writes: > ilisp > > These packages will get a brief chance to be reconsidered in the > next few days, but don't bet too heavily on them making it. From > this point on, packages that are still in testing that have serious, > grave or critical bugs that get removed probably won'

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 22:49, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:20:28PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > > > > So, we change either the status quo, or the DFSG, or issue > > clarifications on why the status quo (with GFDL-licensed components) > > doesn't violate the DFSG. > > Where "cl

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 22:40, Joseph Carter wrote: > > This should have been dealt with sooner. But the past three times the FDL > has been discussed on this list, no concensus was reached. The only thing > we can be certain of is that there are enough problems with it to prevent > any consensus.

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:20:28PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > Given that gcc, binutils, and KDE are in main, it would seem that the > status quo and the DFSG are in conflict, or the status quo and someone's > interpretation of the DFSG are in conflict at least. > > Also consider that pulling gcc

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:26:48PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > We should also move binutils and gcc to non-free because the manpages > > > are under the GNU FDL. > > > > So the FDL is a free license because it's inconvenient for it to be not? > > No, they're saying that a vast majority of p

Re: perl getpwnam returns x

2002-04-07 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Martin" == Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> getpwnam.passwd = x as it is written in /etc/passwd. Martin> getspwnam.passwd = encrypted password. Perl doesn't supoprt getspnam(). It used to do a getspnam under the covers in the getpwnam call in 5.00404 (I wrote the

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 08:50:43PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > > > > The GNU FDL violates the DFSG ? > > > > > > > > In case this is true, nearly all KDE packages have to be moved to > > > > non-free as they use the GNU FDL for the documentation. For example : > > > > open KHelpcenter and click

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 22:08, David Starner wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:26:48PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > > So the FDL is a free license because it's inconvenient for it to be not? > > > > No, they're saying that a vast majority of programs which are widely > > considered free by our

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:26:48PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > So the FDL is a free license because it's inconvenient for it to be not? > > No, they're saying that a vast majority of programs which are widely > considered free by our community are using this license. Thus, the onus > is on yo

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread mdanish
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 08:39:12PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 20:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Whatcha mean "becoming"? Lispers have been blurring the line between > > data and code for the last half-century. > > Speaking as a budding LISPer (working my way through "On

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Adam Heath
On 7 Apr 2002, Robert Tiberius Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 11:16, Otto Wyss wrote: > > What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any figures. > > So I guess no provider of an rsync server is interested in this subject > > and therefore it can't be a big problem. Btw,

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Adam Heath
On 7 Apr 2002, Robert Tiberius Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 11:16, Otto Wyss wrote: > > What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any figures. > > So I guess no provider of an rsync server is interested in this subject > > and therefore it can't be a big problem. > > He

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:11:27PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 13:16, Otto Wyss wrote: > > > A large mirror in Australia does provide an rsync server to access debian > > > packages. When redhat 7.0 came out so many people tried to rsync it at the > > > same time, the machine

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 20:28, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:04:12PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > The GNU FDL violates the DFSG ? > > > > > > In case this is true, nearly all KDE packages have to be moved to > > > non-free as they use the GNU FDL for the documentation. For

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 13:16, Otto Wyss wrote: > > A large mirror in Australia does provide an rsync server to access debian > > packages. When redhat 7.0 came out so many people tried to rsync it at the > > same time, the machine promptly fell over. > > > What amazes me is that nobody is able or

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 19:28, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:04:12PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > The GNU FDL violates the DFSG ? > > > > > > In case this is true, nearly all KDE packages have to be moved to > > > non-free as they use the GNU FDL for the documentation. For

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 20:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Whatcha mean "becoming"? Lispers have been blurring the line between > data and code for the last half-century. Speaking as a budding LISPer (working my way through "On Lisp" while my classes ruin my brain with Java), I'm well aware of this.

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread mdanish
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:12:47PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true.

Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

2002-04-07 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > It's also probably worth pointing out, as you seem to see yourself as > "the Dutch RMS", that the Free Software Foundation also accepts > donations from proprietary software companies: > > http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2002supporters

Dependencies on libpgsql2.1

2002-04-07 Thread Colin Watson
update_output.txt says: trying: postgresql skipped: postgresql (134+2) got: 46+0: a-46 * alpha: courier-authpostgresql, dbf2pg, ddt-server, gda-postgres, gphotocoll, gtksql, guile-pg, libapache-mod-auth-pgsql, libch, libch-dev, libdbd-pg-perl, libgql0-driver-pg, libgtran

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Adam Olsen
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:22:51AM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > > In fact, XML and HTML (and I would imagine therefore CSS and XSLT) are > > explicitly listed as transparent formats. I'm not going to argue that. > > The problems, alt

Re: gmetadom failure on HPPA never reported in update_excuses

2002-04-07 Thread Randolph Chung
> BTW, why this problem manifest itself only on hppa? Is the c++ compiler > somewhat different or is only a chain of #ifdef and/or configure > switches that behaves differently on that arch? In woody, hppa is the only architecture that is using gcc-3.0 compilers. The other architectures are all us

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:34:45PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > I thought that it hasn't been finally resolved if the GNU FDL meets > the DFSG or not. However, there seemed to be consensus on documents > released under the GFDL with large sections marked invariant are > probably not DFSG-complia

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:36:28PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > 3. I placed my book under this license with the express understanding > that it was considered free. Now I'm hearing noise that this is a > non-free license. While I disagree, that is often irrelevant. > > 4. If we still

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:04:12PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > The GNU FDL violates the DFSG ? > > > > In case this is true, nearly all KDE packages have to be moved to > > non-free as they use the GNU FDL for the documentation. For example : > > open KHelpcenter and click on "Introduction

[bdale@gag.com: Bug#141688: FTBFS: config.sub/guess out of date]

2002-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
Sending this bug report to debian-devel so that hopefully the maintainer of this package will see it. Please rename your package. - Forwarded message from Bdale Garbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bdale Garbee) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bug#141688: FTBFS: config.su

Re: Bug#141686: xbase: name clash with old XFree86 package

2002-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:59:37PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Package: xbase > Version: 2.0.0-1 > Severity: normal > > xbase |2.0.0-1 | unstable | source > xbase | 3.3.6-11potato32 |stable | all > > This seems pretty broken to me ... it's a source package, so the lowe

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:29:27PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > IMO, an FDL-licensed document with invariant sections is non-free. As a > > user of Debian, I'd like to know that they're not installed on my system > > if I'm only using packages from main. > > The FDL is not DFSG-compliant, but

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:00:37PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > > > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > > > into the common reference area? > > > > > > Who should I talk to about

Re: Orphaned packages in testing which were never in stable

2002-04-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:05:07PM +0200, Uwe Hermann wrote: > Chris Cheney indends to adopt the package, yes, but he only mailed > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of properly renaming the bug to ITA. I have this sneaking suspicion that we need a tool more appropriate than the BTS to handle the WNPP

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Joey Hess
Jérôme Marant wrote: > I guess that the package will have to predepend on python, right? > So, unlike the current debconf usage, a debconf dependency is no > longer sufficient. No, pre-depending on python will not ensure that your package's config script has python available at preconfgiu

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 14:29, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > It's possible to draw a line. The GNU FDL clearly describes what a > > "Transparant copy" is for example. > > Whether or not it describes what a transparent copy is is irrelevant

Re: gmetadom failure on HPPA never reported in update_excuses

2002-04-07 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:45:39AM -0700, Randolph Chung wrote: > it needs some c++ work. For one thing it references internal libstdc++ > symbols (__STL_BEGIN_NAMESPACE, etc). Instead you should use "namespace std;", > etc. In fact I noticed the problem and I already forwarder it to the upstream

Re: Scripts in /etc/init.d Question and Comment.

2002-04-07 Thread JPS
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 07:35:57PM -0400, jpstewart wrote: > if [ ! $EUID == 0 ]; then > echo "Sorry, this script must run with root privileges." > if Oops. I forget to add the `exit 69' or whatever error code. -- Jean-Paul Stewart pgpnpQJPMuk43.pgp Description: PGP sig

Scripts in /etc/init.d Question and Comment.

2002-04-07 Thread JPS
There is something that has always bothered me about the scripts in `/etc/init.d'. Every once in a while I attempt to execute one of these scripts while logged in as a non-root user. For example, I might type `/etc/init.d/foobar restart' while having the privileges of user `jps' (uid=1000). Normall

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Richard Atterer
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 08:16:28PM +0200, Otto Wyss wrote: > What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any > figures. So I guess no provider of an rsync server is interested in > this subject and therefore it can't be a big problem. It is a problem on cdimage.d.o, which is also f

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:15:16PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > In fact, XML and HTML (and I would imagine therefore CSS and XSLT) are > explicitly listed as transparent formats. I'm not going to argue that. > The problems, although they're transparent, they're programs as well > as documents. Bl

Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

2002-04-07 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 01:53:07PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > IMHO the non-free section should be removed. Well, go for it. In the meantime, stop antagonizing people who do nice things for us. -- Richard Braakman "I sense a disturbance in the force" "As though millions of voices cried out,

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il lun, 2002-04-08 alle 00:15, Joe Wreschnig ha scritto: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 14:29, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS contains statements for > > > content generation and counting variables. Is this a program? I'm not > > > sure, but it's definitely not j

Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

2002-04-07 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 10:24:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > * gs-common's license issues need to be resolved Just to keep people from wasting their time to fix this: My local gs-common edition has the following changes: * debian/control: Add dependency on gsfonts. Rationale: gs is

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Joel Baker
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:34:36PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 11:56:59AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: > > > The DFSG is an excellent place to start, but trying to apply it to things > > which *are not software* is silly, and results in the sort of sillyness > > which we're

Re: New Packages (i18n version of APT)

2002-04-07 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Michael Piefel wrote: > You, Jason, did not add full i18n support to APT, and were not willing > to accept my patches for woody. This is OK, as APT is a very central > package and has been in different shades of freeze for quite some time. Bzzt, I accepted the parts of your p

Please see the GNU FDL discussion on debian-legal

2002-04-07 Thread Thomas Hood
For those interested in the status of the GNU Free Documentation License issue: Please read the interesting thread "The old DFSG-lemma again" on debian-legal from Nov. 2001. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200111/msg6.html In the thread, Branden Robinson expressed concer

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 11:16, Otto Wyss wrote: > What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any figures. > So I guess no provider of an rsync server is interested in this subject > and therefore it can't be a big problem. Here are some experiments, and a mathematical analysis of d

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 16:08, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > documentation != document. XSLT is cleary a program and s stylesheet > should go under a code license. but a manual about programming in XSLT > is definitely documentation and should be treated in a different way. What about inline stylesh

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 11:14:08PM +0200, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > Il dom, 2002-04-07 alle 21:34, Martin Schulze ha scritto: > > Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > > The GNU FDL violates the DFSG ? > > > > I thought that it hasn't been finally resolved if the GNU FDL meets > > the DFSG or not. Howeve

Re: The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards --GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 14:29, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS contains statements for > > content generation and counting variables. Is this a program? I'm not > > sure, but it's definitely not just a document anymore. XSLT can be > > included as "documentatio

Re: Update excuses openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1) (mk68k)

2002-04-07 Thread Thomas Hood
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 16:08, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On 7 Apr 2002, Thomas Hood wrote: > > powermgmt-base_1.3_m68k.deb was built on "kullervo". > > Is it fscked up to? > > Not sure. Roman Hodek is kullervo's buildd admin; you'll have to ask him > (or wait for his reaction ;-) Well, powermgmt-b

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 11:56:59AM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:12:47PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > > > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentati

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il dom, 2002-04-07 alle 21:34, Martin Schulze ha scritto: > Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > Le Dimanche 7 Avril 2002 09:57, Ben Pfaff a écrit : > > > Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Package: gnu-standards > > > > Version: 2002.01.12-1 > > > > Severity: serious > > > > Justification: Pol

Re: Woody now more installable than potato

2002-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Josip" == Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Josip> You seem be able to blatantly maliciously misinterpret what I said. I was presenting the flip side of the coin, yes. Malice was not the intent. manoj -- "All over the place, from the popular culture to the propagand

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of Dale> the GNU Free Documentation License. Isn't it about time to p

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il dom, 2002-04-07 alle 19:12, Joe Wreschnig ha scritto: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS co

Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

2002-04-07 Thread Paul Slootman
On Sat 06 Apr 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Over the past few weeks most of the following packages have been removed > from the upcoming release due to bugs and such [0]. [...] > dnrd logtrend-consolidation pptp-linux Could someone give a pointer where I can found out why pptp

Re: g++-3.0 library support?

2002-04-07 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> > So if I wanna link an programm with the gcc-3.0 version, -lfoo-gcc3 has > to be used and for gcc-2.9x, -lfoo. > > Are there any better ideas? > unfortunately not, the ABI is different between the two. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 15:30, Martin Schulze wrote: > However, I still cannot find a request for help with setting up a > registration site/form on this list, neither including nor excluding > specs, searching from November 2001 until now. You were looking in the wrong spot. Check Message-Id: <[EMA

Re: Update excuses openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1) (mk68k)

2002-04-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 7 Apr 2002, Thomas Hood wrote: > I wrote: > > Ditto powermgmt-base_1.3_m68k.deb : > >http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=powermgmt-base&ver=1.3&arch=m68k&file=log > > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > If you look very closely, you'll find that these both > > have been built by 'arrakis', a box of

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dim 07/04/2002 à 20:50, Joey Hess a écrit : > > Isn't it a bit heavy to make debconf depend on python ? > > Um, I can include a language binding in debconf w/o making it depend on > that language. But that won't solve the problem ; if a package using the python module is preconfigured when th

Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

2002-04-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Joe Drew wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 04:54, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't have time to learn how and > > > do it, and Lindows.com decided that they wanted to pay one of their > > > engineers to do it. It's quite simple: nobody else did it, so I took >

Re: GNU FDL (was Re: Bug#141561: gnu-standards: Non-free software in main)

2002-04-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Le Dimanche 7 Avril 2002 09:57, Ben Pfaff a écrit : > > Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Package: gnu-standards > > > Version: 2002.01.12-1 > > > Severity: serious > > > Justification: Policy 2.1.2 > > > > > > The GNU standards are licensed under two seperate

Re: how-to push a package in testing ?

2002-04-07 Thread christophe barbé
Thank you for taking care of sane. Christophe On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:13:18PM +0200, Julien BLACHE wrote: > christophe =?iso-8859-15?Q?barb=E9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi *, > > > The sane problem is apparently solved and gphoto2 2.0final-3 is build on > > arm. > > Not exactly. I up

Re: g++-3.0 library support?

2002-04-07 Thread Matthias Klose
King "Leo (Martin Oberzalek)" writes: > Hello, > > it's not possible linking a C++ library compiled with g++-2.9x to a C++ > application compiled with g++-3.0. > > We all no the reasons... > > My question is how I should handle this, on debian distributions that > are based on gcc-2.9x? use onl

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Jérôme Marant
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Josselin Mouette wrote: >> > Aside from this problem, I wouldn't mind including the module in debconf >> > after woody is released. It looks nice. >> >> Isn't it a bit heavy to make debconf depend on python ? > > Um, I can include a language binding in debc

The GNU FDL is a free license! (Was: Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards)

2002-04-07 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:12:47PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true.

Re: ilisp debian package

2002-04-07 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sunday 07 Apr 2002 3:20 pm, David Starner wrote: > > > Why? Considering how close to the release we are, and how easy it is, > > why not do it now? It certainly won't interfer with the maintainer > > closing them. > > OK, done. I just don't want to st

Re: iptables_1.2.6a-3_m68k missing

2002-04-07 Thread Matthias Klose
Laurence J. Lane writes: > iptables 1.2.6a-3 is being held back because it's out of date > on m68k. > >http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz#iptables > > iptables_1.2.6a-3_m68k was built, according to the buildd log, > but package does not appear to have been uploaded. >

Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

2002-04-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Wilmer van der Gaast wrote: > Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]@Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:54:06 +0200: > > You may not aware of the discussion we had last year, when VMware > > offered to donate five (or another amount, not sure anymore) licenses > > of their vmware product to Debian in order to help us develop

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > > into the common reference area? >

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Aside from this problem, I wouldn't mind including the module in debconf > > after woody is released. It looks nice. > > Isn't it a bit heavy to make debconf depend on python ? Um, I can include a language binding in debconf w/o making it depend on that language. --

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dale> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of > Dale> the GNU Free Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put > Dale> a copy of this license into the common refer

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Apr 07, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Isn't it a bit heavy to make debconf depend on python ? Why would debconf have to depend on python? You stick the module in and only bytecompile if python is installed. (This is the same silly attitude that has lead to a lot of unnecessary -elisp packages.)

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Otto Wyss
> A large mirror in Australia does provide an rsync server to access debian > packages. When redhat 7.0 came out so many people tried to rsync it at the > same time, the machine promptly fell over. > What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any figures. So I guess no provider o

g++-3.0 library support?

2002-04-07 Thread Leo \(Martin Oberzalek\)
Hello, it's not possible linking a C++ library compiled with g++-2.9x to a C++ application compiled with g++-3.0. We all no the reasons... My question is how I should handle this, on debian distributions that are based on gcc-2.9x? I have a C++ library. And I wan't to create debs for g++.2.9x a

Re: please rebuild gtkmathview 0.3.0-4 on hppa, m68k and arm

2002-04-07 Thread Rick Younie
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Package gtkmathview (version: 0.3.0-4) hasn't been rebuilt on hppa since > Wed 13 March and on m68k since Wed 27 March, could someone please > trigger the rebuilt of it on these archs? On m68k it's waiting on gmetadom. It's easier to see what's going on at bruno.fmepn

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Joel Baker
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:12:47PM -0500, Joe Wreschnig wrote: > On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software > > Unfortunately this is becoming less true.

Re: gmetadom failure on HPPA never reported in update_excuses

2002-04-07 Thread Randolph Chung
In reference to a message from Stefano Zacchiroli, dated Apr 07: > I noticed that another package of mine, which is needed to build > gtkmathview, wasn't successfully rebuilt on hppa, namely package > "gmetadom". it needs some c++ work. For one thing it references internal libstdc++ symbols (__STL

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dim 07/04/2002 à 17:54, Joey Hess a écrit : > What's worse, you can really only safley use essential and base packages > in debconf config scripts. You can of course depend on python and use > this python module in your postinst, after dependencies are met, but > depednencies (and even pre-depe

Re: ilisp debian package

2002-04-07 Thread Will Newton
On Sunday 07 Apr 2002 3:20 pm, David Starner wrote: > Why? Considering how close to the release we are, and how easy it is, > why not do it now? It certainly won't interfer with the maintainer > closing them. OK, done. I just don't want to step on anyone's toes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EM

Re: O: gnu-standards -- GNU coding standards

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 06:14, Federico Di Gregorio wrote: > people, i just want to remember you that DFSG stands for debian free > SOFTWARE guidelines. documentation is *not* software Unfortunately this is becoming less true. CSS contains statements for content generation and counting variables. Is

Re: Update excuses openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1) (mk68k)

2002-04-07 Thread Thomas Hood
I wrote: > Ditto powermgmt-base_1.3_m68k.deb : >http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?&pkg=powermgmt-base&ver=1.3&arch=m68k&file=log Wouter Verhelst wrote: > If you look very closely, you'll find that these both > have been built by 'arrakis', a box of which I am the > buildd admin. This was a result

Re: please rebuild gtkmathview 0.3.0-4 on hppa, m68k and arm

2002-04-07 Thread Philip Blundell
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 09:08, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > BTW, on arm the package has been successfull rebuilt on April 2 and > April 6, but the package is still reported as out of date on arm in > update_excuses.html, anybody knows the reason? Dunno, just some or other random delay. It's showing

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Joey Hess
Jérôme Marant wrote: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Being tired of the shell, and not knowing perl enough, I have written a > > little python module for debconf. > > > > I haven't tested it thouroughly, but it seems to work fine. Of course, I > > intend to use it, but if people

Re: problem with gvd

2002-04-07 Thread Jérôme Marant
"Carl B. Constantine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I did read the BTS and saw the bug listed there which is why I didn't > report it again. At the time I didn't see any mention of a patch but I > may have overlooked something. Probably. There are patch tags and the bug is in the "pending uplo

Re: Python module for debconf

2002-04-07 Thread Jérôme Marant
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Being tired of the shell, and not knowing perl enough, I have written a > little python module for debconf. > > I haven't tested it thouroughly, but it seems to work fine. Of course, I > intend to use it, but if people are interested, it can be found

Re: problem with gvd

2002-04-07 Thread Carl B. Constantine
* J?r?me Marant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > "Carl B. Constantine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I've had the following problem while trying to do a dist-upgrade this > > morning: > ... > > ideas on a fix? > > Please read the BTS. I've already sent a patch and the maintainer will > upload

Re: Update excuses openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1) (mk68k)

2002-04-07 Thread Wouter Verhelst
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo wrote: > El día 07 Apr 2002, Mark Purcell escribía: > > > > According to > > http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=openh323gk&ver=2.0b4-1&arch=m68k&stamp=1017326211&file=log&as=raw > > > > openh323gk-2

Re: New Packages (i18n version of APT)

2002-04-07 Thread Michael Piefel
Am 6.04.02 um 21:52:03 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe: > Because it is a bad idea? As Steve pointed out, good or bad idea is not really a good reason for delaying packages, at least it has not been so far. Furthermore I don't think it is a bad idea, for the following reason: You, Jason, did not add ful

Re: Debian Conference 2 Registration

2002-04-07 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 04:54, Martin Schulze wrote: > > To the best of my knowledge, no. But I didn't have time to learn how and > > do it, and Lindows.com decided that they wanted to pay one of their > > engineers to do it. It's quite simple: nobody else did it, so I took > > Lindows.com up on thei

Re: ilisp debian package

2002-04-07 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:04:43PM +0100, Will Newton wrote: > On Sunday 07 Apr 2002 2:44 pm, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > Since you're not a maintainer, you shouldn't close them. However, you can > > tag them "fixed", by sending 'tag fixed' commands to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > OK, if Craig hasn't

Re: [2002-04-06] Release Status Update

2002-04-07 Thread Erich Schubert
> IIRC galeon is not moved to woody just because it depends on mozilla > which has an RC bug. Since mozilla is not removed but will be fixed > before the release (at least that's how I understood Anthony's mail) I > wonder if galeon then can make it back in. Or did you just removev > galeon 1.0.3 a

Re: how-to push a package in testing ?

2002-04-07 Thread Julien BLACHE
christophe =?iso-8859-15?Q?barb=E9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi *, > The sane problem is apparently solved and gphoto2 2.0final-3 is build on > arm. Not exactly. I uploaded another NMU, now sane-backends should build on SPARC (and hopefully HPPA but it's not critical). It will be installed to

Re: Update excuses openh323gk (2.0b2-1 to 2.0b4-1) (mk68k)

2002-04-07 Thread Thomas Hood
On 07 Apr 2002 Mark Purcell wrote: > According to > http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=openh323gk&ver=2.0b4-1&arch=m68k&stamp=1017326211&file=log&as=raw > openh323gk-2.0.b4-1 was built for m68k on 28 Mar, however this > package doesn't seem to of been uploaded to the archives which > is why

Re: gmetadom failure on HPPA never reported in update_excuses

2002-04-07 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:24:40AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I'm wondering why the hell "gmetadom" isn't mention as out of data on > hppa in update_excuses which reports only: It's only out of date if it was previously built for an architecture. AFAICT from madison it has never been buil

Re: ilisp debian package

2002-04-07 Thread Will Newton
On Sunday 07 Apr 2002 2:44 pm, Josip Rodin wrote: > Since you're not a maintainer, you shouldn't close them. However, you can > tag them "fixed", by sending 'tag fixed' commands to [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, if Craig hasn't done it by the end of today I will do that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

iptables_1.2.6a-3_m68k missing

2002-04-07 Thread Laurence J. Lane
iptables 1.2.6a-3 is being held back because it's out of date on m68k. http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz#iptables iptables_1.2.6a-3_m68k was built, according to the buildd log, but package does not appear to have been uploaded. Who can look into this problem? -- T

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