Re: Rsum des discussions au sujet de debconf sur debian-devel

2003-04-27 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Martin Quinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Il me semble qu'une meilleure solution ici serait de demander au mainteneur d'iso-codes de faire un ptit script permettant de faire les conversions qui vont bien (nom - code), et d'obtenir la traduction des noms. En attachement, un ptit script

Re: Résumé des discussions au sujet de debconf sur debian-devel

2003-04-27 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 08:41:16AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: [...] Du coup, dès qu'une nouvelle langue est ajoutée, bing.toutes les traductions deviennent fuzzy. Pas nécessairement, tu peux regarder ce que j'avais fait avec languagechooser (mais les nouvelles versions ont été

[base-files] Bug ?

2003-04-27 Thread Michel Grentzinger
Bonjour, Suite à des essais avec le paquet linuxlogo et les fichiers /etc/issue*, j'ai remarqué qu'il n'était pas possible de regénérer le fichier /etc/issue. En supprimant (ou en déplacant) /etc/issue et /etc/issue.net, il est impossible de les réinstaller avec : # apt-get --reinstall install

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2003-04-27 Thread Georges Roux
Bonjour, Je developpe avec mes camarades un paquet Debian pour notre logiciel (C-Arbre) que nous aimerions voir, un jour dans cette Distrbution. Suivant la procedure decrite dans le guide du nouveau mainteneur, y a t'il quelqu'un pour me signer ma cle gpg? C-Arbre :

[Debian-Lex] Interview with subproject leader

2003-04-27 Thread Jeremy Malcolm
[Most of the discussion on the Debian-Lex proto-subproject has been off-list, so I'm sending this one to the list so that people can see something of our progress. These answers will be made into an article by Matt Black at some point after we get an official list and Web area.] On Sun,

Re: Bug#190912: ITP: konqueror-embedded -- A light version of the Konqueror web browser for use in small machines

2003-04-27 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 10:24:31PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-26 Severity: wishlist * Package name: konqueror-embedded Version : 20021229_snapshot Upstream Author : Simon Hausman [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Chitescu [EMAIL

Re: Bug#190912: ITP: konqueror-embedded -- A light version of the Konqueror web browser for use in small machines

2003-04-27 Thread Morgon Kanter
-snip- * SSL -snip- This is likely illegal if it is truely one binary and doesn't do the kpart abstraction stuff... I really wish openssl would just vanish someday. Time to start converting the world to gnu TLS, it seems... Morgon -- You said homosexuals form a small percentage of

Re: Bug#190912: ITP: konqueror-embedded -- A light version of the Konqueror web browser for use in small machines

2003-04-27 Thread Chris Cheney
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:48:01AM -0400, Morgon Kanter wrote: -snip- * SSL -snip- This is likely illegal if it is truely one binary and doesn't do the kpart abstraction stuff... I really wish openssl would just vanish someday. Time to start converting the world to gnu TLS,

Re: [Debian-Lex] Interview with subproject leader

2003-04-27 Thread Matt Black
On Sun 27 April 2003 13:54, Jeremy Malcolm wrote: [Most of the discussion on the Debian-Lex proto-subproject has been off-list, so I'm sending this one to the list so that people can see something of our progress. These answers will be made into an article by Matt Black at some point after we

Bug#190922: ITP: gnome-randr-applet -- Simple gnome-panel front end to the xrandr extension

2003-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-randr-applet Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Matthew Allum [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/grandr_applet-0.2.tar.gz * License

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:28:53PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: For practical purposes, yes... Although emulated FP is really, REALLY slow. I installed a machine to be a X terminal about two years ago - 386SX, 8MB RAM. It worked fine, yes... But MUCH slower than a similarly-configured machine

Re: dpkg conffiles merging - request for status summary

2003-04-27 Thread Andreas Metzler
Jarno Elonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to bring the uninitiated like me up to date about ways to upgrade changed dpkg conffiles, I would greatly appreciate if someone with insight could summarize the current status: [...] + Are there some specific reasons why dpkg doesn't offer

Re: dpkg conffiles merging - request for status summary

2003-04-27 Thread Jarno Elonen
Afaik the original conffile is not available, dpkg just has the md5sum of it in /var/lib/dpkg/status. I doubt that two-way-merging is _very_ useful. Well, you can now try for yourself. :-) http://elonen.iki.fi/code/dpkg-merge/ - Jarno

Re: experimental conffile merge for dpkg

2003-04-27 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 03:40:33AM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote: http://elonen.iki.fi/code/dpkg-merge/ contains the patched dpkg and a new interactive python curses based two-way merge tool called imediff2 (+ 3 screenshots for the impatient). Why two-way merge instead of three-way? The problem

Re: Time to package simpleinit?

2003-04-27 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi Henrique, It is good to see that there is actually work done on it. Obviously you are more into the topic (and you are a debian developer), so It's up to me to offer you help with that, not the other way around :-) After reading through your paper (nice work), it looks to me as if the the

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Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Guido Guenther
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:05:50PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I agree, the vast majority of our users can afford newer machines. So, I think we should drop m68k, mips and other similar unfashionable old archs, don't you think? The majority of our users will be happy... I'm not sure where the

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Re: experimental conffile merge for dpkg

2003-04-27 Thread Jarno Elonen
Why two-way merge instead of three-way? Because of... Unfortunately neither is currently possible at the moment, simply because dpkg doesn't save a copy of the last installed config file anywhere. ...this. I thought it would make big difference to have even 2-way merging now instead of

Re: experimental conffile merge for dpkg

2003-04-27 Thread Roland Mas
Jarno Elonen (2003-04-27 14:16:02 +0300) : If we can agree wether or not, how and where the original conffiles should be saved, I'll be happy to implement 3-way merging to dpkg and write imediff3 as a user friendly UI for it. Opinions? Unrelated to this diff thing, it's going to be a big help

Re: Bug#190922: ITP: gnome-randr-applet -- Simple gnome-panel front end to the xrandr extension

2003-04-27 Thread Rob Bradford
On Sun, 2003-04-27 at 08:18, Sven Luther wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-randr-applet Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Matthew Allum [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Re: experimental conffile merge for dpkg

2003-04-27 Thread Jarno Elonen
There might be things to think about though: some packages have lots of conffiles, and that could mean some extra disk space, which not everyone will want to spend. Maybe make it optional. Bzipping could help, and maybe even tarring them all to one file. As a quick test, I bzip-tarred my

Re: Who b0rked my Ghostscript and fonts?

2003-04-27 Thread Juhapekka Tolvanen
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, +20:27:07 EEST (UTC +0300), Michael Fedrowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] pressed some keys: On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 12:02:00PM +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: FontPath/usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont FontPath

fwctl and ipchains-perl - any takers?

2003-04-27 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hello, (this mail is send to the debian developers and to francis, the upstream author) Martin, while maintaining the archive, contacted me, because he wanted to remove the orpahaned ipchains-perl module. He noticed, that my fwctl is depending on it. Personally I love fwctl and use it on some

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 03:56, Chris Cheney wrote: I also find it hard to believe that the majority of our users do not have or can not purchase a system that is less than 7 years old. I have a brand new 486-class system with 32MB of RAM. It's less than 6 months old. Please explain how I can

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 12:15, Steve Langasek wrote: I also find it hard to believe that the majority of our users do not have or can not purchase a system that is less than 7 years old. Your non-sustainable Western consumerism is showing. rant Actually, for most of those old 486's,

Re: [Debian-Lex] Interview with subproject leader

2003-04-27 Thread Stephen Hargrove
On Sun, 2003-04-27 at 01:37, Matt Black wrote: I think it's a good idea to get some 'media' coverage of the project in forums where interested parties might be lurking. I know debian-lex is in its infancy, but I think that one way to help things move along is to expose the idea to

Bug#190971: ITP: libsdl-sound1.2 -- Decodes several sound file formats including wav and mp3

2003-04-27 Thread Ben Armstrong
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: libsdl-sound1.2 Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Ryan Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://icculus.org/SDL_sound/ * License : GPL Description : Decodes several

Re: Samsung ML-1210 + Gimp-print

2003-04-27 Thread Andrew Lau
n Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 07:13:03PM +, Martin Wheeler wrote: Has anyone solved the problem of getting a Samsung ML-1210 to print (over USB cable connection) using CUPS and Gimp-print? (Foomatic, actually.) ... I have no printing problems whatsoever now (that I know of, anyway), _except_

Bug#190977: ITP: kq -- an adventure game in the spirit of Final Fantasy

2003-04-27 Thread Sam Hocevar
Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: kq Version : 0.98+cvs.20030129 Upstream Author : Josh Bolduc [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://kqlives.sourceforge.net/ * License : GPL v2 Description : an adventure

Re: Bug#190922: ITP: gnome-randr-applet -- Simple gnome-panel front end to the xrandr extension

2003-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 01:10:57PM +0100, Rob Bradford wrote: On Sun, 2003-04-27 at 08:18, Sven Luther wrote: Package: wnpp Version: unavailable; reported 2003-04-27 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gnome-randr-applet Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Matthew Allum

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Riku Voipio
On Saturday 26 April 2003 05:08, Chris Cheney wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:36:56AM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote: What about the Via C3? That was introduced not too long ago, runs moderately quickly (~1GHz) with low power consumption, but IIRC doesn't support the i686 instruction set.

Re: pilot-link in Sid and Sarge: Much bigger question

2003-04-27 Thread Björn Stenberg
Matthew Palmer wrote: it's labour-intensive, it's pretty damn effective. ^ And there's why it doesn't work for Debian. We don't have money to throw at our developers. I never claimed we should. I merely explained one of the many reasons Debian is fundamentally slower

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Bug#190994: ITP: quat -- quat: a 3D quaternionic fractal generator

2003-04-27 Thread Morgon Kanter
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-04-27 Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Package name: quat Version : 1.20 Upstream Author : Dirk Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/phy11733/index_e.html *

Re: pilot-link in Sid and Sarge: Much bigger question

2003-04-27 Thread Roland Mas
Björn Stenberg (2003-04-27 21:17:04 +0200) : [...] Actually, Debian has chosen Portability over Quality. Quality means a lot more than just fixing bugs, you know. A program that does not work with current data or devices has low quality even if it doesn't crash. The mere age of most packages

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Andreas Metzler
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] rant Actually, for most of those old 486's, replacing them with new 486's would be much more sustainable, due to the lessened power draw. /rant Since manufacturing computers takes _very_ much energy I doubt that.

Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
This is an attempt to summarize some points. 1. Why do we have a problem, other than performance issues? * To maintain binary compatibility with other distributions for C++ packages, Debian needs to use the i486+ version of atomicity.h supplied by GCC. * This version is significantly faster

Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Hi all I've configured and built the kernel, using gcc-2.95, make bzImage and modules, installed modules under /lib/modules/2.5.68. Everything goes fine except for a bunch of depmod errors during the 'make modules_install' which I'm guessing is because the new modules don't match the running

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-27 Thread Falk Hueffner
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oddly, it looks like GCC doesn't currently ever generate 486-specific instructions; they are only (currently) of benefit to assembly programmers. (Hmm... maybe I should see if there's an enhancement opportunity to GCC there.) I have a patch

Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 21:37:06 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: I've configured and built the kernel, using gcc-2.95, I've not followed 2.5 development, but I'd suspect the recommended compiler for building it ought to be gcc 3.2 or 3.3 rather than 2.95 by now - check the documentation

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-27 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Nathanael! You wrote: * Drop i386 support mostly. 'i386' architecture becomes 'i486'. Start a 'Debian-real-i386' subproject, with a 'real-i386' architecture, but don't require that any packages build on it in order to go into testing or to release Debian; it would be a bonus

Re: Samsung ML-1210 + Gimp-print

2003-04-27 Thread Martin Wheeler
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Andrew Lau wrote: Try changing the printing command to lpr -Pprinter instead of gimp-print's default of lp -s -dprinter -oraw. Thanks Andrew -- that worked a treat! Funny though -- I know had already tried 'lpr -P printer' note space; can't remember whether I blew away

Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

2003-04-27 Thread Sam Hartman
Hi. I noticed that in order to implement your read-only root proposal, you propose to modify the pam package. I'm not really sure I see the justification for read-only /. I can see several possible justifications and some of the possible goals conflict. Until you get general consensus on a

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Roger Leigh
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 26 Apr 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le sam 26/04/2003 à 02:59, Matthew Palmer a écrit : For the original problem, it surely should be possible to build 386 and 486+ versions of libstdc++ and include both in the distro, with linker magic

Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread Chris Cheney
Turn on virtual terminal support... Chris

Re: Time to package simpleinit?

2003-04-27 Thread Theodore Ts'o
One big problem about Richard Gooch's simpleinit is that it is functionally very different from the standard systme V init scripts. Specifically, he always assumes that runlevel n+1 is always a superset of runlevel n, and that in order to get to runlevel n+1, you must first start up all of the

Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 09:37:06PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: When booting, grub seems to find it, uncompress it, then it says 'OK, booting the kernel' and nothing more. It just hangs. I don't see the line announcing the kernel version or compiler etc. CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y Milan

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread José Luis Tallón
At 12:52 27/04/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Sat, 2003-04-26 at 03:56, Chris Cheney wrote: I also find it hard to believe that the majority of our users do not have or can not purchase a system that is less than 7 years old. I have a brand new 486-class system with 32MB of RAM. It's less than 6

Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread Bart Trojanowski
* Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030427 16:59]: I've configured and built the kernel, using gcc-2.95, make bzImage and modules, installed modules under /lib/modules/2.5.68. Everything goes fine except for a bunch of depmod errors during the 'make modules_install' which I'm guessing is

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Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Jonathan Oxer
On Mon, 2003-04-28 at 08:45, José Luis Tallón wrote: At 12:52 27/04/2003 -0400, you wrote: Please explain how I can get a similar system, running on a similar amount of power, and with no moving parts (i.e., no fans) using, even a P-II. Hey! Where did you get that from? I'd love to have

Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 06:45:42PM -0400, Bart Trojanowski wrote: * Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030427 16:59]: I've configured and built the kernel, using gcc-2.95, make bzImage and modules, installed modules under /lib/modules/2.5.68. Everything goes fine except for a bunch of

[grep-dctrl] Testers requested - sneak preview of a full rewrite (better and faster!)

2003-04-27 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
Hi, I am in the process of rewriting grep-dctrl. The rewrite attempts to gain speed over the old version while removing one of the greatest defects in the old code: the new grep-dctrl is able to combine searches in full boolean manner. The current version does not yet duplicate all the features

Re: Kernel 2.5

2003-04-27 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 12:40:28AM +0200, Milan P. Stanic wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 09:37:06PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: When booting, grub seems to find it, uncompress it, then it says 'OK, booting the kernel' and nothing more. It just hangs. I don't see the line announcing

Re: [grep-dctrl] Testers requested - sneak preview of a full rewrite (better and faster!)

2003-04-27 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 02:32:30AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: I am in the process of rewriting grep-dctrl. The rewrite attempts to gain speed over the old version while removing one of the greatest defects in the old code: the new grep-dctrl is able to combine searches in full

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 02:23:03PM +0200, José Luis Tallón wrote: At 19:55 26/04/2003 +1000, you wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 09:41:14AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: 1a. create a stripped down version for i386, i.e. required/important and go for i486. Is there much performance

Re: experimental conffile merge for dpkg

2003-04-27 Thread Brian May
On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 03:52:13PM +0300, Jarno Elonen wrote: There might be things to think about though: some packages have lots of conffiles, and that could mean some extra disk space, which not everyone will want to spend. Maybe make it optional. Bzipping could help, and maybe even

Re: [grep-dctrl] Testers requested - sneak preview of a full rewrite (better and faster!)

2003-04-27 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 02:32:30AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/dctrl-tools login cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/dctrl-tools co \ -r v1_rewrite dctrl-tools make [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL

Re: Dropping/splitting (proper) i386 support

2003-04-27 Thread Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
Bas Zoetekouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW: do you have any quantative numbers on the i386/i486 performance issues (e.g. for openssl)? I hacked up a quick script (http://ilmari.org/sslcmp) that compares two 'openssl speed' outputs and gives you the ratio, here's the output for i386 vs i486 on

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-27 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Gunnar Wolf may or may not have uselessly CC'd to me... [snip] I thought that in-kernel emulation would have solved the gap between 486 DX and SX. For practical purposes, yes... Although emulated FP is really, REALLY slow. Is it safe to mention ARM710 in this thread? :-) -- |

Re: pilot-link in Sid and Sarge: Much bigger question

2003-04-27 Thread David Krider
Roland Mas wrote: *Supposing* I were agreeing with you on the existence of a problem, I would probably be of the opinion classified as case 3 above. The reason I could identify for the problem would be that people prefer bitching and complaining about testing being late and stable being old,

Re: Kernel 2.5 boot failure [SOLVED]

2003-04-27 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
She boots! Thanks to Bart Trojanowski for much help. I'm posting this to the list in case someone else runs into the same problem trying to build kernel 2.5 on Debian unstable. The symptom was an apparently frozen screen after the message 'Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.' First,