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Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Erik Steffl
Hans Fugal wrote: * Andreas Jellinghaus [Wed, 6 Aug 2003 at 00:27 +0200] mutt can do many nice things without /usr/sbin/sendmail. a dependency is set if something is always required, a recommends if is required for the common use, and a suggestion is used if it improved the functionality. so depen

Re: Request for maintainer

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi! > > Subject: RFP: GRubik -- A 3D Rubik cube game > Package: wnpp > Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-06 > Severity: wishlist > > * Package name: GRubik > Version : 1.16 > Upstream Author : John Darrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > * URL : http

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > with. The MIA problem is significant enough that NM might be the only > > way to tackle with it seriously. That means taking time to examine > > applications. > > BTW, has anybody done any research into what

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathanael Nerode) writes: > Steve Langasek said: > >I don't think it irrelevant that those clamouring loudest for the DPL > >to do something to fix the situation are people who don't actually have > >a say in the outcome of DPL elections. While I'm not happy to see such > >long

Re: NM non-process

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 10:17:24AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Martin Schulze is listed as the other DAM member. He's also the Press > > Contact, so I certainly hope he has good communication skills! > > And the Stable Release Manager, and

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
"Dwayne C. Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 01:09:47PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > > 2001-01-24 - Dwayne Litzenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=dlitz%40dlitz.net > > For the record, I'm still interested in becoming a

OT (Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done)

2003-08-05 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-07-21 18:52]: > > Perhaps that is because only the DPL can appoint them (as far as I can > > tell) and we haven't seen a request from you for them. > > Request for help are usually

Request for maintainer

2003-08-05 Thread jmd
Hi! Subject: RFP: GRubik -- A 3D Rubik cube game Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-06 Severity: wishlist * Package name: GRubik Version : 1.16 Upstream Author : John Darrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/rubik/grubik.html * L

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Brian Nelson
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're >> responding to is participating right here. > > Maybe you should stop whining and just set the Mail-Copies-To header, > which is generall

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gustavo Noronha Silva dijo [Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:26:20PM -0300]: > > Note that there is at least one project which is looking at doing exactly > > that while retaining backwards compatability (GoboLinux). It may be worth, > > on the long term, looking at how it may be possible to migrate from >

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT), Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > You can't get there from here, I think. Unix admins coming to Debian > > will scream blue murder if it starts being "/My Variable Data/Logs", and > > that group is important to us. > > Note that there is at le

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:39:06 -0500, Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Heh, teach yourself to type /Va* and you're going to get BURNED one day. > > (Your co-sysadmin finds a rootkit on another machine and stores it > > in /Various Danger

Re: Have Linux boot with eye-candy

2003-08-05 Thread Erich Schubert
Hi, i have built packages for the bootsplash tools (no package for the patch itself though. just download and apply the diff). They are available on http://people.debian.org/~erich/boot/bootsplash/ and work fine on my notebook as well as my sisters. I didn't get the bootsplash support of swsusp wor

Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, [ note that I atm have the tendency to say that the Depends should remain... ] Hans Fugal wrote: > * Andreas Jellinghaus [Wed, 6 Aug 2003 at 00:27 +0200] > > mutt can do many nice things without /usr/sbin/sendmail. > > a dependency is set if something is always required, > > a recommends i

Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Hans Fugal
* Andreas Jellinghaus [Wed, 6 Aug 2003 at 00:27 +0200] > mutt can do many nice things without /usr/sbin/sendmail. > a dependency is set if something is always required, > a recommends if is required for the common use, and > a suggestion is used if it improved the functionality. > so depending on

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Alan Shutko
Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Heh, teach yourself to type /Va* and you're going to get BURNED one day. > (Your co-sysadmin finds a rootkit on another machine and stores it > in /Various Dangerous Programs/ for later examination...) And gee, your shell beeps, completes up to /Vari

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:30:11 +0100 Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hixie's pretty well-known in certain other free software circles. What > I've seen of him elsewhere implies to me that he isn't incompetent in > the least, and frankly I think you're going way overboard in the > hostility o

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Alan Shutko
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're > responding to is participating right here. Maybe you should stop whining and just set the Mail-Copies-To header, which is generally respected by posters on Debian lists? -- Alan S

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 03:03:54PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT) > Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And I'm a geek, one who has been using GNU-based distributions on multiple > > machines on a daily basis for at least 3 years, and Sun for 6 years befor

Re: Fw: Re: Ruby 1.8 transition plan; debian-ruby

2003-08-05 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 12:12, Fumitoshi UKAI wrote: > Since ruby 1.8.0 was released recently, ruby developers will go to > ruby 1.8.x, so that we, ruby maintenance team (akira, tagoh, ukai), > are discussing about how to deal with Ruby 1.8 transition and trying to make > debian ruby policy soon. >

Re: Bug#202869: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
> I can imagine a workstation without those packages but it is, IMO, > mutilated box. please keep your opinion outside the control file. cron, at & friends __need__ an MTA (or to be exact: a /usr/sbin/sendmail app), they will not work without. mutt can do many nice things without /usr/sbin/sendma

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:16:43 -0400 "H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Downgrading sounds like overkill in this situation. I only had to edit > /usr/src/linux/Makefile to change HOSTCC to gcc-2.95 and export > CC=gcc-2.95 in the environment, and it worked fine for me. This is on > 2.4.21, of c

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:42:43 +0200 "Artur R. Czechowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to know Md's opinion, but for me there are no reasons to relax > dependencies for mutt (and other MUA). I would not like to do it without > policy requirements because it concerns also other MUA's.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:16:37 +0200 Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would even scream at > > /Variable Data/ > > simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag > behaviour, because such path names are impossible to type in (and this > one even requires escaping t

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:38:19 +0200 Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apple has a great way of doing that. They don't dumb down, they don't > belittle you, they assume an intelligent being who can grasp reasonably > complex English sentences, but who has less knowledge of computer > idiom

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 11:06:53PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Tab completion or using /Va* is about as fast as /var. Heh, teach yourself to type /Va* and you're going to get BURNED one day. (Your co-sysadmin finds a rootkit on another machine and stores it in /Various Dangerous Programs/ for

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Greenland
First off, error messages can always be improved, and I bet the program maintainers would be happy to accept patches, so long as those patches don't *decrease* the amount of information available. But in one area you're dead wrong: On 05-Aug-03, 11:55 (CDT), Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Oh, look, someone else who CCs when it is obvious the person they're responding to is participating right here. On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: > What manual? I rest my case. > I receieved the machine

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:21:00PM +0200, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: >> OTOH this case concerns not only mutt but also other MUA's. Feel free >> to discuss it on debian-devel mailing list or propose a changes >> to Debian Packaging Policy. I will leave t

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Metzler
Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: >>> >>> Note that, if for some reason the user knew about the command >>> "apropos", even that wouldn't help him -- none of dselect, aptitude, >>> and apt-get come up for "apropos install" or "apropos setup". >> >> I do

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Emile van Bergen | Hi, | | On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:19:53AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: | | > And I would scream if you called it "/_My_ Variable Data/" too... :-P | | I would even scream at | | /Variable Data/ | | simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag | behavi

python 2.2 -> python 2.3 transition

2003-08-05 Thread Matthias Klose
Last weekend, python 2.3 was released. For an overview see http://python.org/2.3/highlights.html With the next python2.3 upload, python2.3 becomes the default python version. Some packages become uninstallable until they are converted to the new version. In this time you should not update

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Carlos E. Pruitt, Jr.
Debian should not change its attitude or methods to "meet the end user's needs". Think of Debian as a the painter's palette. All of the tools you need are available to you. It installs a base system and you customize from there. Would I recommend Debian for John Doe user? As a base raw install

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:00:03PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > There are enough SMTP/POP3 MUAs which do not need any MTA infrastructure on > the local host, whatsoever. Mutt can fetch by pop-3, but I think it has no > smtp support build in, or? I just (actually few hours ago) find patch which

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Erik Steffl
Artur R. Czechowski wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:00:03PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: There are enough SMTP/POP3 MUAs which do not need any MTA infrastructure on the local host, whatsoever. But there are some important packages which depends on MTA directly, like: at, cron, debconf, logrotate

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:19:53AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: > And I would scream if you called it "/_My_ Variable Data/" too... :-P I would even scream at /Variable Data/ simply because it encourages slow and RSI-inducing click and drag behaviour, because such path names are impossible t

Bug#204263: ITP: gngeo -- NeoGeo emulator

2003-08-05 Thread Julien Delange
Package: wnpp Version: reported 2003-08-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: gngeo Version : 0.5.9a Upstream Author : M. Pepone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://m.peponas.free.fr/gngeo/ * License : GPL Description : NeoGeo emulator gngeo is an emulator

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:55:59AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: [SNIP] > Why can't we instead have nice friendly messages? e.g.: > >Startup logging has begun. Log will be stored in '/var/log/boot'. > > ...instead of "bootlogd". [SNIP] > > Error messages are there for people who know wha

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:00:03PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > There are enough SMTP/POP3 MUAs which do not need any MTA infrastructure on > the local host, whatsoever. But there are some important packages which depends on MTA directly, like: at, cron, debconf, logrotate, mailx. I can imagine

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Josef Spillner
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 18:55, Ian Hickson wrote: > Without meaning offense, that is a very selfish attitude. The number of > future debian users is *significantly* larger than the number of existing > users, unless something drastic happens to either humanity or debian > itself. Why should every

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:21:00PM +0200, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > OTOH this case concerns not only mutt but also other MUA's. Feel free > to discuss it on debian-devel mailing list or propose a changes > to Debian Packaging Policy. I will leave this wishitem open until > an agreement is reache

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 12:33:18AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > I think Debian's package system is remarkably nice. Unfortunately, > > it's UI leaves a lot to be desired. The biggest problem is probably > > Which UI did you use? We have a few. apt-get is not an

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Artur R. Czechowski dijo [Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:21:00PM +0200]: > Hello > > I've found your bugreport: > http://bugs.debian.org/202869 > > I see no issue to not depending mutt on mail-transfer-agent. > > Mutt as is, is a software for reading, writing and sending emails. > And to provide a full

Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-05 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
Hello I've found your bugreport: http://bugs.debian.org/202869 I see no issue to not depending mutt on mail-transfer-agent. Mutt as is, is a software for reading, writing and sending emails. And to provide a full functionality it needs a kind of transfer-agent. I am not convinced to only Recomm

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Colin Watson wrote: >> >> The term "dselect" means nothing to me. It isn't a usable name. That's >> another example of the problem I mentioned. > > Tools have names, and they don't really have to be generic. I think it's > quite acceptable for the installation manual to tell you

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Theo Cabrerizo Diem
I agree with every word There are lot's of packages to do Debian more user friendly, they are available at install time and after by running tasksel. Maybe the problem was the way that Debian was "pre-installed" I think they only installed base. This isn't suitable for a "user". Maybe i

Re: Fw: Re: Ruby 1.8 transition plan; debian-ruby

2003-08-05 Thread Fumitoshi UKAI
At Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:02:52 +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > > As rightfully pointed out by Fumitoshi UKAI, this discussion belongs to > the wider audience of debian-devel, especially since Ruby 1.8.0 was > released today. > > NB: some points raised here can be of interest not only to Ruby > dev

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: >> >> Note that, if for some reason the user knew about the command >> "apropos", even that wouldn't help him -- none of dselect, aptitude, >> and apt-get come up for "apropos install" or "apropos setup". > > I do believe they are mentioned several times in the

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:49:17 +0200, Frederik Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > Anyway, does this mean we need something like a GNU/Linux Debian and a > GNU/Linux Debian For Dummies showing only icons? Yes, I think so... Debian-Desktop should be that, probably. I would like to see a packag

Please NMU dovecot

2003-08-05 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
Could someone please NMU dovecot adding the patch in bug #203892? Either gcc 3.3.1 sucks or I'm having another hardware problem, ... Making all in lib make[4]: Entering directory `/home/jaldhar/src/dovecot/dovecot-0.99.10/src/lib' i386-linux-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -g -O2 -Wall -

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: > Adam, where does it say anywhere in my sig or headers that I want a CC? I > read the list just fine, you can reply to the list and only the list just > fine. I don't appreciate replying to what I think is a private message only > to see a copy of it in

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:14:23AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:33:19AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: > > > Part of the problem I had was that I had a vague understanding that > > > there was something called "apt", but that I didn

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:43:36AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:26 -0400 > "H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did you check your compile logs to see if it actually compiled with > > gcc-2.95 or with just gcc (==3.3) ? It happened to me several times that > > when bui

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
Adam, where does it say anywhere in my sig or headers that I want a CC? I read the list just fine, you can reply to the list and only the list just fine. I don't appreciate replying to what I think is a private message only to see a copy of it in the public area and have to resend the message

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Adam Heath
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:26 -0400 > "H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did you check your compile logs to see if it actually compiled with > > gcc-2.95 or with just gcc (==3.3) ? It happened to me several times that > > when building 2.4.21, it woul

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:26 -0400 "H. S. Teoh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you check your compile logs to see if it actually compiled with > gcc-2.95 or with just gcc (==3.3) ? It happened to me several times that > when building 2.4.21, it would use gcc-2.95 for the initial configuration > an

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note that, if for some reason the user knew about the command > "apropos", even that wouldn't help him -- none of dselect, aptitude, > and apt-get come up for "apropos install" or "apropos setup". I do believe the

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:33:19AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: > > Part of the problem I had was that I had a vague understanding that > > there was something called "apt", but that I didn't know what it was > > or how to do anything with it. The man page

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:59:20AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:54:38 -0400 > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't compile your kernel with gcc 3.3. I don't know whether the bugs lie > > in the kernel or in gcc (or both), but this combination does not work > > co

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 07:59:20AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >Yeah. That was the whole reason I was trying to get a copy of 2.4.20 > compiled with gcc 2.95. I didn't know if it was the compiler or the newer > version of the kernel that had the problem. I just knew that my problems > started

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:54:38 -0400 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't compile your kernel with gcc 3.3. I don't know whether the bugs lie > in the kernel or in gcc (or both), but this combination does not work > correctly. Yeah. That was the whole reason I was trying to get a co

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:20:21PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:14:08 -0700 > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uh, no. I am aware of that. That, however, did not prevent it from > > running the wrong GCC. v2.4.21 of the kernel had a problem with 3.3. > > Co

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:33:19AM -0700, Ian Hickson wrote: > Part of the problem I had was that I had a vague understanding that > there was something called "apt", but that I didn't know what it was > or how to do anything with it. The man page said to see apt-get's; > apt-get's man page suggest

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:33:53 -0400 > Please stop crusading, and find out what your kernel build actually > did. Because it works just fine for all the rest of us. Who's crusading? I am pointing out what I see as an apparent problem for discussion. Crusading would be to file the damned bug wi

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:25:38 -0400 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then perhaps this particular problem was not with gcc 3.3. I think some > additional investigation would be prudent before any talk about grave bugs. Which is why I asked here first before just filing. --

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 15:04, David Z Maze wrote: > I don't think we need to abandon the power of our current > infrastructure, just have ways of making it less visible for people > who don't want it. Just a random off-the-wall idea, but *maybe* there could be a new package tag added which means th

Re: [Debconf] Re: The slides for my talk

2003-08-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: > Well, poor Joey Hess didn't notice it, and he's a native speaker. ;-) This does not necessarily help! In Germany we all know that best English is spoken by native German spaekars - at least we understand them best (because we do mostly the same mist

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread David Z Maze
Frederik Rousseau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I really think aptitude should only show end user packages with >> decent, readable, localised names ("Apache Web Server", "x Chat (IRC >> Client)", "Infrared Control for XMMS"). At the moment the user is >> completely overwhelmed by the list of pac

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:51:41PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:25:27 -0400 > Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fail to see how 2.95 installing both 3.3 and 2.95 somehow equates to > > a problem! > > A failed kernel compile when trying to bring stability to

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 06:00:27AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:56:50 -0400 > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I know that's 2.4.21, but I'm not going to unpack a whole 2.4.20 tree > > to demonstrate that it works the same way. It does. > > I never said

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:56:50 -0400 Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I know that's 2.4.21, but I'm not going to unpack a whole 2.4.20 tree > to demonstrate that it works the same way. It does. I never said it didn't work. What I said was that when I did it 2.4.20 had the same e

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:14:08PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:37:32 -0400 > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What you meant to do was to run "make CC=gcc-2.95" instead of make. There > > is no need to futz around with the default gcc version; just ask for what >

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:07:42AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > > So buidd + distcc on a slow m68k/arm/whatever, and distccd on a fast > > P4 or Athlon, or even on several of those. This is expected to reduce > > the compile time to almost the same as it is on x86 :). > > I'm not sure t

buildd probs sbcl/common-lisp-controller

2003-08-05 Thread Neil Roeth
What's the status of the sbcl/common-lisp-controller problems that were blocking builds on sparc and other platforms? -- Neil Roeth

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Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Frederik Rousseau
> I think Debian's package system is remarkably nice. Unfortunately, > it's UI leaves a lot to be desired. The biggest problem is probably > the package names: "freetype", "pango", "libgtk2.0", etc, mean > absolutely nothing to me, as a user, and I really shouldn't ever have > to even see these pa

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:33, Ian Hickson wrote: > Hey guys, > > I was amused to see my blog post [1] made it to this list. I figured > I'd clarify a few points which were omitted from that blog in the > interests of brevity and humour. > > Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unfortunatel

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Ian Hickson
Hey guys, I was amused to see my blog post [1] made it to this list. I figured I'd clarify a few points which were omitted from that blog in the interests of brevity and humour. Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unfortunately, his main problem is "Having not used Debian for about > 8 y

Bug#204177: ITP: sec-rpc -- rpc-proxy that allows tunneling of nis and nfs over ssh

2003-08-05 Thread Fabian Franz
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2003-08-05 Severity: wishlist * Package name: sec-rpc Version : 1.5.2 Upstream Author : John Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * URL : http://www.math.ualberta.ca/imaging/snfs/ * License : GPL Description : rpc-proxy that allo

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 01:07:42AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: > So buidd + distcc on a slow m68k/arm/whatever, and distccd on a fast P4 or > Athlon, or even on several of those. This is expected to reduce the compile > time to almost the same as it is on x86 :). I'm not sure that's true;

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Keith Dunwoody
Steve Lamb wrote: I build kernels with alternate compilers all the time. Did you check the log to see which compiler the kernel actually built with? Given that I told it to build with 2.95 and it failed in the same manner as with 3.3 but when I installed 2.95 from Woody which ONLY installs 2

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:14:08PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Uh, no. I am aware of that. That, however, did not prevent it from > running the wrong GCC. v2.4.21 of the kernel had a problem with 3.3. It > would die repeatedly on the same line in ide-cd.h. I did tell make to use > gcc-2.95

Debconf in Porto Alegre (Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria)

2003-08-05 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 07:37:29PM +, Michelle Ribeiro wrote: > Em 30 Jul 2003 15:09:51 -0400 > Joe Drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: > > > I've been waiting for them to speak up as they have said they > > would. I am in favour of holding Debconf 4 in South America, but > > will organise it i

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Peter Mathiasson wrote: > "[...] distcc sends the complete preprocessed source code across > the network for each job." Hmm, OK, but that would just speedup the actual compilation. Granted, that's the largest chunk, but cpp/asm/ld could do with a speed-up too. Anyway, thanks for the pointer

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Lamb
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:25:27 -0400 Daniel Jacobowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fail to see how 2.95 installing both 3.3 and 2.95 somehow equates to > a problem! A failed kernel compile when trying to bring stability to a machine constitutes as a problem in my book. > I build kernels wit