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Best practices for cron jobs?

Hi everybody, What is the best practice when it comes to packages that need to access a network resource in a daily cronjob? Specifically I'd like to have a daily cronjob included in the spamassassin package that will run sa-update. I planned to do this by dropping a con job in cron.daily. As was

Re: Bug#428575: ITP: plexus-i18n -- Plexus internationalisation package.

Hi Paul, On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 18:48:41 +0100, Paul Cager wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: wishlist > Owner: Paul Cager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > * Package name: plexus-i18n > Version : 1.0-beta-6 > Upstream Author : Plexus Developers > * URL : http://plexus.codehaus.o

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Am Dienstag, den 12.06.2007, 17:25 -0300 schrieb Gustavo Franco: > On 6/12/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 21:40, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > > * What effect do you think removing experimental will have on > > > > unstable? * How do you think it will have that e

Re: APT 0.7 for sid

Michael Vogt wrote: > This is currently turned off because of the concerns raised. its a > matter of changing the default of "APT::Install-Recommends" to true. > > I want to turn it on by default in the near future, but with a > reasonable warning time for the transition. Here are the places we'

Re: [OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Christian Perrier wrote: > Indeed, it would probably benefit both Ubuntu and Debian if a way to > link bugs between Launchpad and the Debian BTS. I see something like > Pierre Habouzit's bts-link which allows to automatically track > upstream bugs in Debian BTS as long as the b

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:42:34AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote: > Ter, 2007-06-12 às 22:05 +0200, Frans Pop escreveu: > > Personally I think the current system is fine. > just a note, as user: > The current system is fine but: > - priority from unstable should less than testing or stable ( as i > th

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Monday 11 June 2007 22:57:00 John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > It does solve a real problem. It solves an ambiguity. Does k mean 1000 > or 1024? Does M mean 100 or 1048576? > > Answer: k mean 1 000 > ki means 1 024 > m means 1 000 000 > mi means 1 048 576 > > No more ambiguit

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:40:54PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > >* What do you mean by "switch unstable automatic nature to not > > automatic" > In a few words, move the 'NotAutomatic: yes' from experimental to > unstable and burn experimental. So in your opinion, the glibc maintainers should

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 01:48:27 Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Why do you think that the marketing materials for most hard drives > > include the note that 1 GB = 1 000 000 000 bytes? > > Maybe because they are sold in the US, one of the 3 countries where SI > units are not standard? Even in the US

Re: Upgrade of the pam library?

Laurent Bigonville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As a maintainer of a pam module (pam-keyring), I would like to know if > there is any plan to upgrade the version of the libpam in lenny. > The current version is antique (0.79 vs 0.99) and doesn't have some > features as syslog logging... Just FYI

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Ter, 2007-06-12 às 23:32 +0200, Vince H&K escreveu: > Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >> NO! > >> > >> unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release, > >> as such only packages that are in the maintainer's opinion ready to > >> m

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Ter, 2007-06-12 às 22:05 +0200, Frans Pop escreveu: > Personally I think the current system is fine. just a note, as user: The current system is fine but: - priority from unstable should less than testing or stable ( as i think - not for sure - happens nowadays). On experimental has less priorit

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:50 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > Especially nowadays with terabyte disks coming out and hitting the > > consumer market, there is *no place* for 10% of ambi

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

#include * Roberto C. Sánchez [Tue, Jun 12 2007, 03:43:29AM]: > Why do you think that the marketing materials for most hard drives > include the note that 1 GB = 1 000 000 000 bytes? If the SI prefixes > only ever held their *precise* meanings, then such clarifications would > not be necessary.

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

#include * Bernhard R. Link [Tue, Jun 12 2007, 12:18:22AM]: > > Excuse me? Pretty simple example: you have only 2.03 GB (real GB) > > remaining free space (seen in some disk info tool) on your harddisk and > > you are fetching a 2GB file (2 fake GB, 2GiB in fact). So what, it > > breaks about 99%

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue June 12 2007 02:25:59 pm Gustavo Franco wrote: > That's the point, you would be using testing for development and > cherry picking changes from unstable manually. Remember that in this > scenario we still have unstable to testing transition so if you don't > push stuff manually it will get t

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On 6/12/07, Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 06:25:22PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Prefixes are case-sensitive. Kilo is "k". (This is also why there is > much less ambiguity with K used for kibibytes.) Hmm, I used to think both k and K were accepted for k

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007, Luk Claes wrote: > Making unstable not automatic would > mean less testing of individual versions in unstable AFAICS which is a bad > thing IMHO. I wonder whether it would make sense to suggest default pinning levels in Release files to

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >> NO! >> >> unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release, >> as such only packages that are in the maintainer's opinion ready to migrate >> to testing should be uploaded to unstable. > > Then should

Re: Back to the point (was: Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I tried to give a meaningful answer to that in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, but received no reply; I guess it got drowned in the silly "all disks are reliable!" noise. Perhaps you may want to read the three final paragraphs there and give your opinion. Well

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > NO! > > unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release, > as such only packages that are in the maintainer's opinion ready to migrate > to testing should be uploaded to unstable. Then shouldn't we have a more aggressive po

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:25:59PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Promote 'quite probably broken in some ways' stuff isn't the motto. > Upload everything that we've in experimental actually seems to be more > appropriate. Eh, you lost, now. Please go read what experimental is for. > >I don't thin

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:32:21PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >NO! > > > >unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable > >release, as such only packages that are in the maintainer's opinion > >ready to migrate to testing sho

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 12 June 2007 21:40, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > * What effect do you think removing experimental will have on > > unstable? * How do you think it will have that effect? > > > I think it will have a positive effect if we add 'NotAutomatic:

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: > Exactly my point, again: Contributors and developers are using > unstable or stable more than testing. I would like to see a scenario > where we keep a lot of people using unstable with no automatic updates > to force them pick how and what much of that they want, but at the

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > Hi Luk, > > On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gustavo Franco wrote: >> >> > The benefit of the approach above from a RM point of view is that we >> will >> > have more eyeballs ove

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: Hi Luk, On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: (...) > * Switch unstable (release) for not automatic updates They are only automatic as far as the Release Team wants them to be as explained earlier... I'm not writing about "automatic" tr

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > Hi Luk, > > On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gustavo Franco wrote: >> >> (...) >> > * Switch unstable (release) for not automatic updates >> >> They are only automatic as far as the Release Team wants them

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 6/12/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gustavo Franco wrote: I don't get it at all why removing experimental would bring us anything but a more experimental unstable... Sure, a more

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 6/12/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Gustavo Franco wrote: >> > Do you think that the numbers are positive in terms of testing usage, >> > really? I see the numbers even if not that reliable as proof of my >>

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: On 6/12/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > Do you think that the numbers are positive in terms of testing usage, > really? I see the numbers even if not that reliable as proof of my > argument that just a few (almost half if compared with unsta

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:40:54PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > On 6/12/07, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:29:59AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > >> Considering that we know that experimental is not a full branch and > >> there's no migration from experim

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 21:51, Gustavo Franco wrote: > I don't get it, as you also realized: unstable _is_ experimental. No, it most certainly is *not*, and any developers who treat it as such should be drawn and quartered. pgpvlthFzQSRb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 21:40, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > * What effect do you think removing experimental will have on > > unstable? * How do you think it will have that effect? > > > I think it will have a positive effect if we add 'NotAutomatic: yes' > into unstable release file. Are you also wi

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > Do you think that the numbers are positive in terms of testing usage, > really? I see the numbers even if not that reliable as proof of my > argument that just a few (almost half if compared with unstable) bug > reporters ar

Re: [OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

Em Ter, 2007-06-12 às 16:19 +0200, Christian Perrier escreveu: > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/119995 . > > >I know this is not the place, so let's take this off-list perhaps or > > >point to a better resource/ma

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:29:59AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Considering that we know that experimental is not a full branch and > there's no migration from experimental to unstable, do you agree then > we could remove experimental and s

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: > Do you think that the numbers are positive in terms of testing usage, > really? I see the numbers even if not that reliable as proof of my > argument that just a few (almost half if compared with unstable) bug > reporters are actually using testing. > > Not better numbers,

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 09:25:13PM +, Evgeni Golov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:42:08 -0300 Paulo Marcondes wrote: > > > billion = 10^6 * 10^6 (IIRC, as used in Portugal - no jokes here!) > > =10^12 :) > > and Germany, France, former UdSSR, Anywhere where milliard i

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:42:08 -0300 Paulo Marcondes wrote: > billion = 10^6 * 10^6 (IIRC, as used in Portugal - no jokes here!) =10^12 :) and Germany, France, former UdSSR, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:29:59AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > Considering that we know that experimental is not a full branch and > there's no migration from experimental to unstable, do you agree then > we could remove experimental and switch unstable automatic nature to > not automatic (relea

Back to the point (was: Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 02:57:51PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Tim Cutts wrote: > > >That's not true, unfortunately. They also have different design > >criteria for duty cycles, and more stringent MTBF testing > >requirements. There's been a lot of assertion in this thread

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Hi Luk, On 6/12/07, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: (...) > * Switch unstable (release) for not automatic updates They are only automatic as far as the Release Team wants them to be as explained earlier... I'm not writing about "automatic" transition from unstable

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > Sorry, i forgot CUT it looks like a 0 proposal since it came first. > How and when do you plan to start a team for that and have you > considered who from other teams will need to join/agree on the idea? I don't necessarily

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

2007/6/12, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sure, this is why googling for "for" returns 7 billion entries. billion = 10^9 or billion = 10^6 * 10^6 (IIRC, as used in Portugal - no jokes here!) further argument to use powers, not words to define multiples. P.S.: I googled 'for' ~7*10^9 r

Bug#428575: ITP: plexus-i18n -- Plexus internationalisation package.

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Paul Cager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> * Package name: plexus-i18n Version : 1.0-beta-6 Upstream Author : Plexus Developers * URL : http://plexus.codehaus.org * License : Apache Programming Lang: Java Description : Plexus

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 05:19:45AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 02:32:35PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 10:15:25PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > Le lundi 11 juin 2007 à 15:25 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > > > > > You seem to fancy the K

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Josselin Mouette wrote: > The question is not whether to use powers of 2 or 10 (different software > use both), but rather to use the good prefixes depending on that > choice. It sounds like you've surveyed a lot of software in Debian and found some that uses 2 and some 10 for data storage measur

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: Let me outline the 'testing' pros and cons from my point of view: cons - * testing metric is too simple, packages are allowed to enter testing only after a certain period of time has passed no matter if much people tested it before that and just when they don't have

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

Gustavo Franco wrote: > Sorry, i forgot CUT it looks like a 0 proposal since it came first. > How and when do you plan to start a team for that and have you > considered who from other teams will need to join/agree on the idea? I don't necessarily start a team for every proposal I make. :-) I'm i

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 06:25:22PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Prefixes are case-sensitive. Kilo is "k". (This is also why there is > much less ambiguity with K used for kibibytes.) Hmm, I used to think both k and K were accepted for kilo, but I can't find anything that says K is accepted for

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Le mardi 12 juin 2007 à 12:19 -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit : > Nope. kelvin is a unit, not a prefix. K as a prefix means kilo, so KB > is kilo bell. Prefixes are case-sensitive. Kilo is "k". (This is also why there is much less ambiguity with K used for kibibytes.) -- .''`. : :' : We

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:20:42AM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > Then why bastardise an SI prefix? This surely serves only to confuse > people. Why don't we invent a new word? Should we call it the > "thousandbyte"? Because computer people have always bastardised everything. Booting, window, mouse,

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 05:49:18PM -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: > Well, in SI units, KB never means kilobyte, and is not ambiguous at all; > it's a kelvin??bel. Nope. kelvin is a unit, not a prefix. K as a prefix means kilo, so KB is kilo bell. You better have small values or you are deal

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 16:52, Ian Jackson wrote: > shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . > > Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination. We should avoid them. Purely emotional arguments. I think it's to a big

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 16:50 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote: > Actually bandwidth is mesured in bits per second and no bytes per second > > On 6/12/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Bandwidth should be quoted in true SI units over a metric of time, > >e.g. kilobytes

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Actually bandwidth is mesured in bits per second and no bytes per second On 6/12/07, Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bandwidth should be quoted in true SI units over a metric of time, e.g. kilobytes-per-second (e.g. the average UK DSL upload speed is 250kbps == 250,000bp

Re: Consequences of the removal of Experimental.

Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:57:17PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >>> There's also the fact that if you remove experimental it's easy enough >>> for people to set up their apt repositories somewhere if they want to >>> provide packages outside of unstable

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:50 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > > The difference is a sufficiently small percentage, that most users will > > not care. > > No, like I said in my earlier post, the error grows quickly. As 1.024^x, > in fact. >

Re: SCSI drives for donation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/12/2007 06:24 AM, Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 02:46:08PM -0600, Warren Turkal wrote: >> I personally have 6 or 7 U320 73GB 10K RPM SCSI drives that I am not using >> for >> anything interesting. Can anyone tell me if thes

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

shirish writes ("Using standardized SI prefixes"): > Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix . Urgh, these things are ugly and an abomination. We should avoid them. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EM

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > The difference is a sufficiently small percentage, that most users will > not care. No, like I said in my earlier post, the error grows quickly. As 1.024^x, in fact. x = 1 kibi vs. kilo 2.4% x = 2 mebi vs. mega

Re: Consequences of the removal of Experimental.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:57:17PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 07:56:13PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > This assumes that experimental is used by a lot of people, which I > > > doubt, especially given the default apt pins and the numbers above. > > Le Tue, Jun 12, 200

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On 6/12/07, Adam Borowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Except, I did not claim that one of the versions is superior. What I stated was: 1. English is a language where the correct usage is what most people use, 2. "kilobyte" is preferred over "kibibyte" by a vast majority of those whose communi

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Darren Salt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I need to disambiguate, I'll say either "real kilobyte" or > something like "marketroids' kilobyte". And as for the next step up, > well, "gigabytes" is a given, and it's tempting to say "giblets"... That's assuming that everyone you converse with is a

Re: [OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

> I do not mean that any bug reported in Ubuntu should be automagically > reported to Debian's BTS. It should be a manual "point-an-click" > action to be used by Those In Charge in Ubuntu when they decide wisely > that it is Good to report the issue in Debianand *link* both > issues. In case

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Scott James Remnant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is a strong advocation for using powers of ten everywhere, and > abolishing the use of powers of two multiples altogether, no? Nothing needs to be abolished but inconsistency. The same good would be had by *knowing the difference*, and differ

Re: [OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/119995 . > >I know this is not the place, so let's take this off-list perhaps or > >point to a better resource/mailing list where I can direct that. > > Cheers ! > > If you mean fil

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 15:46, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 14:57, Darren Salt wrote: > > I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written... > > > > [snip] > > > > > When I use a computer program, I don't want to wonder whether it uses > > > precise units or approxima

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 15:36, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 02:36:55PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 14:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > English linguistic is a descriptive science -- what is correct and what > > > is not depends on what people use. This

Consequences of the removal of Experimental.

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2007 at 07:56:13PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > This assumes that experimental is used by a lot of people, which I > > doubt, especially given the default apt pins and the numbers above. Le Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 10:08:20AM +0100, Mark Brown a écrit : > There's also the fact that i

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 14:57, Darren Salt wrote: > I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written... > > [snip] > > > When I use a computer program, I don't want to wonder whether it uses > > precise units or approximate ones. A computer is a damn stupid machine > > and it will never k

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Le mardi 12 juin 2007 à 14:59 +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit : > > I get 59 500 hits for "kibibyte" and 1.5 million hits for "kilobyte". > > That's > > about 4%, not 0.3%. In fact, it's sufficiently widespread to earn a place > > in > > dictionaries, IMHO. > > That's the cap I mentioned earlier

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Le mardi 12 juin 2007 à 13:57 +0100, Darren Salt a écrit : > I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written... > > When I use a computer program, I don't want to wonder whether it uses > > precise units or approximate ones. A computer is a damn stupid machine > > and it will never know

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 02:36:55PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 14:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > > English linguistic is a descriptive science -- what is correct and what is > > not depends on what people use. This stays in stark contrast to > > prescriptive languages like

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/12/07, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) The 'remove experimental' proposal > experimental is not a 'full' branch like stable, testing or unstable. It only has a handfull of package built for it (at least that is what I have seen from reading debian-devel-changes) Also, there is n

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

On 6/11/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gustavo Franco wrote: > * testing metric is too simple, packages are allowed to enter testing > only after a certain period of time has passed no matter if much > people tested it before that and just when they don't have > release-critical bugs fi

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

I demand that Josselin Mouette may or may not have written... [snip] > When I use a computer program, I don't want to wonder whether it uses > precise units or approximate ones. A computer is a damn stupid machine > and it will never know whether I need precision. Which is why it should > *always*

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 02:36:55PM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > And what version is used is trivial to check. Oh, wait -- in this case not > > that trivial, when using the Google test "kilobyte" is so much over the cap > > that you need tricks like searching for "kibibite foo" and "kilobyte f

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Wednesday 13 June 2007 00:36, Magnus Holmgren wrote: > > I get 59 500 hits for "kibibyte" and 1.5 million hits for "kilobyte". > That's about 4%, not 0.3%. In fact, it's sufficiently widespread to > earn a place in dictionaries, IMHO. It has already happened, see http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/

Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Tim Cutts wrote: That's not true, unfortunately. They also have different design criteria for duty cycles, and more stringent MTBF testing requirements. There's been a lot of assertion in this thread, without any real data, so this post provides links to some hard data pro

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

I demand that Magnus Holmgren may or may not have written... [snip] > Most of the time you won't have to say it. Spoken language tends to be less > formal than written language, and 2^10 bytes still is approximately a > kilobyte (and so on up to giga, where the approximation starts to fail). So

Re: Reasonable maximum package size ?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11 Jun 2007, at 9:22 pm, Josselin Mouette wrote: You seem to strongly believe the cheap desktop hard disk is different from the server hard disk. This is entirely wrong. Apart from 10k and 15k rpm disks, these are all strictly the same. Only the

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 14:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:21:58PM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: > > (Ironically, my spell-checker had never heard of a kibibyte :) > > Because it's not a correct word. > English linguistic is a descriptive science -- what is correct and what is >

Re: Two proposals for a better Lenny (testing related).

* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-06-11 19:56]: > Gustavo Franco wrote: > > > * developers and most active contributors are pretty much using only > > stable or unstable and not testing. > > What's your data? It is well known that 87.9% of the assertions made by Debian developers in the mai

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:21:58PM +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: > (Ironically, my spell-checker had never heard of a kibibyte :) Because it's not a correct word. English linguistic is a descriptive science -- what is correct and what is not depends on what people use. This stays in stark contrast

Re: ITP: pysycache-- Educational game to teach children to move the mouse

El mar, 12-06-2007 a las 18:26 +1000, Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > On Tuesday 12 June 2007 09:21, Marcus Better <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > José L. Redrejo wrote: > > > > The activities make children practice on clicking, double-clicking, drag > > > > and drop, moving and

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 13:01 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > Let me give you an example from the real world: > There was a bridge to build over the river Rhine connecting Switzerland > and Germany. You have to know that sea levels are defined differently in > both countries so if you plan to build

Re: [OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

Am Dienstag, den 12.06.2007, 19:57 +1000 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On 6/12/07, shirish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Can somebody tell me how I can file upstream debian bugs from > > bug tracker. Case in point > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/1

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 09:37 +0200, Christof Krüger wrote: > > > Another "historic" example is a floppy-MB: > > A 1.44MB floppy disc can store 1,474,560 Bytes, that is 1440 KiB and > > 1.40625 MiB or approximately 1475KB or 1.48MB with

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue June 12 2007 01:20:30 am Josselin Mouette wrote: > > "kilo" in "kilobyte" is not an SI prefix. It is not even a prefix. > "Kilo" is always a SI prefix. In computing the "K" stands for "kilobyte", not "kilo" + "byte", and a kilobyte has always been the number of memory locations addressab

Re: ITP: pysycache-- Educational game to teach children to move the mouse

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 09:21, Marcus Better <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > José L. Redrejo wrote: > > The activities make children practice on clicking, double-clicking, drag > > and drop, moving and identify the mouse buttons. > > Since children probably learn this by age five or so with or without

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 08:54, Miles Bader wrote: > Now that a bunch of people are all in a misguided frenzy to "correct" > things (which weren't broken), there will almost certainly be cases > where some silly fool will change the _calculation_ but not the label > (e.g., in a case where space is a

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 09:53:32AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > > No one is actually confused. > > This "standard" doesn't actually solve a real problem. unit confusion can be very serious, eg: the mars orbiter Regards, Paddy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "un

mass RC bugfiling due to removed apache1 packages

Hello! Due to the removal of apache1 packages from the pool (including libapache-mod-perl) quite a lot of packages aren't installable/buildable anymore due to missing (build-)dependencies. I'm preparing a massbug filing for those so the maintainers are aware of that their packages are RC

Re: [OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

On 6/12/07, shirish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, Can somebody tell me how I can file upstream debian bugs from bug tracker. Case in point https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/119995 . I know this is not the place, so let's take this off-list perhaps or point t

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:40:46AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Of course, I don't usually care that file sizes in my browser window are > displayed in kibibytes and mebibytes. Not until I select some of them, > see the total size, and ask myself whether they fit on a DVD. If you want to figur

[OT] howto file bugs in debian bug-tracker

Hi all, Can somebody tell me how I can file upstream debian bugs from bug tracker. Case in point https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deluge-torrent/+bug/119995 . I know this is not the place, so let's take this off-list perhaps or point to a better resource/mailing list where I can dire

Re: Using standardized SI prefixes

Le mardi 12 juin 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Scott James Remnant a écrit : > Changing the unit prefixes is just a geek "precision" gratification that > will confuse everybody who is used to talking about "kilobytes", "and > gigabytes"... The confusion lies in the current situation. Bringing precision does

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