Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via NFS. Unfortunately, nobody

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Giacomo Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes: - On large parallel systems, people use something more than a base debian console installation. Usually on net you have a complete copy for root, var etc (in case of compromised computers. Very handy instead of reinstalling the system) So

Bug#527199: ITP: python-ftputil -- A high-level FTP client library for Python

2009-05-06 Thread Julián Hernández Gómez
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Julián Hernández Gómez julianhernan...@gmail.com * Package name: python-ftputil Version : 2.4 Upstream Author : Stefan Schwarzer sschwar...@sschwarzer.net * URL : http://ftputil.sschwarzer.net/ * License : BSD

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Johan Henriksson
Well, some people argued for that. Like you, I'm wondering how one actually does this in practice! However there are some rather more reasonable uses which have been mentioned: - read-only /usr (for security) - backups - recovery (ability to mount root only; important if there's fs

Using uscan with VCS hosting sites

2009-05-06 Thread Ben Finney
[no answers for this yet on ‘debian-mentors’, so trying here] Howdy all, I have an upstream for a package who has started using a VCS hosting site for publishing the code. It's possible they will continue to make tarball releases, but in case they don't at some point in the future, I'd like to

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem? [/usr on NFS]

2009-05-06 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 16:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via NFS. Unfortunately, nobody yet explained how do they update the resulting cluster of machines. It's not particularly difficult. You

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem? [/usr on NFS]

2009-05-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be writes: On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 16:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: It's not particularly difficult. You update the system master and push that update into NFS, synchronizing any non-/usr data as you need to across all the systems mounting that NFS partition. I

Bug#527205: ITP: inotifyx -- Simple Python binding to the Linux inotify file system event monitoring API

2009-05-06 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@researchut.com * Package name: inotifyx Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Forest Bond for...@alittletooquiet.net * URL : http://www.alittletooquiet.net/software/inotifyx/ * License : MIT/X

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:30:14AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Of course the problem is that if you update on the NFS server, then related /etc and /var files [1] will not get updated on the NFS client machines and you need to propagate changes there. One thing to remember is when you

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 05 mai 2009 à 16:25 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : It's not particularly difficult. You update the system master and push that update into NFS, synchronizing any non-/usr data as you need to across all the systems mounting that NFS partition. Sure, but what is the point of doing that

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 05 mai 2009 à 23:15 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : I think it's pretty unlikely that *most* Debian machines are done that way. There are a lot better tools for keeping large numbers of systems in sync these days than simple cloning from golden images, and a lot of drawbacks to the

Re: Bug#527205: ITP: inotifyx -- Simple Python binding to the Linux inotify file system event monitoring API

2009-05-06 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Ritesh Raj Sarraf (Wed, 06 May 2009 12:23:06 +0530): Hello!, and thanks for your interest in packaging new software for Debian. * Package name: inotifyx Version : 0.1.0 Upstream Author : Forest Bond for...@alittletooquiet.net * URL :

Bug#527205: Info received (Bug#527205: ITP: inotifyx -- Simple Python binding to the Linux inotify file system event monitoring API)

2009-05-06 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-05-06, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Giacomo Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes: - On large parallel systems, people use something more than a base debian console installation. Usually on net you have a complete copy for root, var etc (in case of compromised computers. Very

Re: Bug#527205: ITP: inotifyx -- Simple Python binding to the Linux inotify file system event monitoring API

2009-05-06 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Wednesday 06 May 2009 13:45:19 Adeodato Simó wrote: Description : Simple Python binding to the Linux inotify file system event monitoring API inotifyx is a Python extension providing access to the Linux inotify file system event notification API. It is primarily written in C but

Re: Bug#527205: ITP: inotifyx -- Simple Python binding to the Linux inotify file system event monitoring API

2009-05-06 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 17:09:45 06.05.2009 UTC+05 when r...@researchut.com did gyre and gimble: RRS Given the pytagsfs upstream maintainer's announcement email [1], I RRS believe python-inotify is not going to be maintained further. RRS But this whole discussion started with python-inotify in RRS

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Qua, 2009-05-06 às 00:30 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli escreveu: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. Yes, the most repeated argument has been

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 05, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: This is false for Ubuntu. Not only is it supported, but significant effort was put into *fixing* a /usr-as-separate-mount bug in Ubuntu 9.04 as pertains to wpasupplicant. You may want to discuss this with Keybuk then, because he still

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 09:38:39AM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Simple. sarcasm Sure, that's precisely what I'd call being properly supported in Debian. /sarcasm In particular, from the replies to my question the picture I get is that everybody is using ad hoc solutions to implement what some

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 09:38:39AM -0300, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Simple. sarcasm Sure, that's precisely what I'd call being properly supported in Debian. /sarcasm In particular, from the replies to my question the picture I get is that everybody is using ad hoc

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Wed, 06 May 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Of the two one: - We decide that mounting /usr remotely is a Debian goal. If we do so, the mechanisms to make it work should not be as ad hoc as this thread as hinted. We should provide a package explicitly made to make this workflow

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: A few side notes: * everybody overlooked the subtle theoretical problem that our maintainer scripts can potentially do *everything* on the file system and *everywhere*, and that they are written in a Turing complete language (shell script). This means that you

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Stefano Zacchiroli] The trick of fiddling the dpkg database on the client machine and then run dpkg --configure -a there is indeed nice. But again, requesting our users to do that, potentially messing up with the dpkg database, is IMO not something we can call being properly

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 03:06:34PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: But system administration is per definition ad hoc solution. This is our power. Why we give sources? Also to allow us to tweak debian. This is a utterly poor argument. I can easily twist it against you by saying why we give

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 03:06:34PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: But system administration is per definition ad hoc solution. This is our power. Why we give sources? Also to allow us to tweak debian. This is a utterly poor argument. I can easily twist it against

VMBuilder for Debian

2009-05-06 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi, are there any plans to adopt https://code.launchpad.net/vmbuilder for Debian? Being able to create ec2, vmware or similar images easily would be nice to have for Debian, too. Cheers, Bernd -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprint: 06C8 C9A2

Re: VMBuilder for Debian

2009-05-06 Thread Obey Arthur Liu
Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : Hi, are there any plans to adopt https://code.launchpad.net/vmbuilder for Debian? Being able to create ec2, vmware or similar images easily would be nice to have for Debian, too. Hi Bernd, There is this: On-demand Cloud Computing with Amazon EC2 and Eucalyptus

Bug#527286: ITP: ansel1 -- Horde photo management application

2009-05-06 Thread Mathieu Parent
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mathieu Parent math.par...@gmail.com * Package name: ansel1 Version : 1.0 Upstream Authors: Chuck Hagenbuch ch...@horde.org Michael J. Rubinsky mrubi...@horde.org * URL : http://horde.org/ansel/ * License

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Gabor Gombas
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 03:31:23PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Anyhow, *you* don't understand the problem and you are probably the only one thinking I'm selling vapor. From other people's replies I conclude that the problem is quite clear and my vapor was so concrete that others hinted

Re: Bug#527280: ITP: php-perl-1.0.0 (use Perl from within PHP scripts)

2009-05-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Okay, again; waldi told me there are missing information, and that debian-de...@lists.d.o has to be Cc’d. Package name: php-perl (Binary: php5-perl) Version:1.0.0 Upstream Author:Dmitry Stogov Licence:PHP 3.0 (upstream), GPL (packaging) Language:

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 08:57 -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit : Also, this procedure would be much more reliable if we said, in Policy, that maintainer scripts are not allowed to fail if /usr is not writable. (mount -o ro, SELinux, chattr +i, NFS root_squash, whatever.) Would you support

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 05 May 2009, Marco d'Itri wrote: I know that Debian supports this, but I also know that maintaning forever large changes to packages for no real gain sucks. I wonder what these are, and I hope you will start a separate thread with that information. So, does anybody still see reasons

Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Prokop
| Debian is switching to EGLIBC | | I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is | currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU | C Library (GLIBC). | [...] -- http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 Where did this decission (and the discussion around it)

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a écrit : Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-devel-glibc. Do all maintainers need your approval before switching to another branch for packages they

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Michael Prokop a écrit : | Debian is switching to EGLIBC | | I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is | currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU | C Library (GLIBC). | [...] -- http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 Where did this

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Prokop
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-devel-glibc. Do all maintainers need your

Build-Depends: foo-dbg ?

2009-05-06 Thread Neil Williams
Should source packages need to build-depend on debug packages? (See python-gtk2 for one example. python-all-dbg is small but python-numpy-dbg is 15Mb!) Just curious - is it only python packages that do this? -- Neil Williams = http://www.data-freedom.org/

Re: Build-Depends: foo-dbg ?

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 17:35 +0100, Neil Williams a écrit : Should source packages need to build-depend on debug packages? When it is needed. (See python-gtk2 for one example. python-all-dbg is small but python-numpy-dbg is 15Mb!) python-all-dbg brings python2.[45]-dbg, which makes 48 MB.

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Michael Prokop a écrit : * Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-devel-glibc. Do all

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Michael Prokop m...@grml.org wrote: No. Though I think that for essential packages like libc it could be worth a public discussion. In this case there wouldn't be any point of discussing it, I predict the discussion would simply be yes, AOL, +1, do it already,

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Prokop
* Aurelien Jarno aurel...@aurel32.net wrote: Michael Prokop a écrit : * Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? I can't find anything neither on

Re: Build-Depends: foo-dbg ?

2009-05-06 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:39:32 +0200 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 17:35 +0100, Neil Williams a écrit : Should source packages need to build-depend on debug packages? When it is needed. (See python-gtk2 for one example. python-all-dbg is small but

Bug#527305: ITP: libatasmart -- ATA S.M.A.R.T. reading and parsing library

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org * Package name: libatasmart Version : 0.13 Upstream Author : Lennart Poettering lenn...@poettering.net * URL : http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/being-smart.html * License : LGPLv2+

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 6 mai 09 à 00:30, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone /usr? There had been lots of responses to that. Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via

Re: Breaking /emul/ia32-linux for squeeze

2009-05-06 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:10:13PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: But moving the 32-bit libs to /usr/lib32 does not make us standards-conformant on amd64, because the FHS (yuckily) standardized on storing the *32-bit* libs in /usr/lib on this architecture, with 64-bit libs in /usr/lib64. That

Re: Making timezone configuration more modular

2009-05-06 Thread Clint Adams
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 06:11:18PM +, Clint Adams wrote: Thoughts? I am going to assume from the lack of responses to this that no one but the bug submitters care. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Iustin Pop
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 02:56:20PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: In particular, from the replies to my question the picture I get is that everybody is using ad hoc solutions to implement what some people are pretending to be properly supported by Debian. I found it not defendable, maybe

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread John Goerzen
Aurelien Jarno wrote: Michael Prokop a écrit : | Debian is switching to EGLIBC | | I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is | currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU | C Library (GLIBC). | [...] -- http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Julien BLACHE
John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote: Hi, I, for one, have heard just about enough of Hey developers, we're doing $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up from people. I'd like a little bit more along the lines of Hey developers, we really think $FOO is a good idea.

Re: Build-Depends: foo-dbg ?

2009-05-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Wed, May 06, 2009, Neil Williams wrote: (See python-gtk2 for one example. python-all-dbg is small but python-numpy-dbg is 15Mb!) pythonx.y-dbg is ABI incompatible with pythonx.y and we need to bdep on pythonx.y-dbg to build a -dbg for a python extension -- these are *not* detached

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Philipp Kern tr...@philkern.de writes: On 2009-05-06, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: I think it's pretty unlikely that *most* Debian machines are done that way. There are a lot better tools for keeping large numbers of systems in sync these days than simple cloning from golden images,

Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Hi all, It is new to me that we should announce changes in packages on debian-devel. I haven't seen that before for other (key) packages, while it is very usual to see such announcements on planet.debian.org. I have decided to add a blog entry after many people asking me on IRC What is this

triggers and lenny-to-squeeze upgrades

2009-05-06 Thread Bill Allombert
Dear developers, There is an increased usage of triggers in squeeze and I would like to issue a word of warning concerning lenny to squeeze upgrade: Before removing the maintainer script code that that is replaced by the activation of a trigger, you have to make sure that a suitable version of

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
On Wed, 06 May 2009 21:57:19 +0200 Julien BLACHE jbla...@debian.org wrote: How does hey developers, we're sick and tired of having to put up with Uli, how about you find some new people to maintain glibc in Debian sound like? It sounds unnecessarily confrontational---it's daring people to

Bug#527328: ITP: python-django-south -- intelligent schema migrations for Django apps

2009-05-06 Thread Janos Guljas
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Janos Guljas ja...@janos.in.rs * Package name: python-django-south Version : svn Upstream Author : Andrew Godwin and...@aeracode.org * URL : http://south.aeracode.org * License : Apache Programming Lang: Python

Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta? (was: stable-p-u: mdadm 2.6.7.2-2)

2009-05-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:26PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org [2009.05.05.1645 +0200]: Depending on default-mta | mta in a upload to s-p-u does not fix anything since there is no default-mta in stable. This would possibly even break pinning in

postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Luk Claes
Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:26PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Carsten Hey cars...@debian.org [2009.05.05.1645 +0200]: FWIW, Ubuntu did what I consider the right thing: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21235281/mdadm_2.6.7.1-1ubuntu4_2.6.7.1-1ubuntu5.diff.gz

Re: Bug#527328: ITP: python-django-south -- Intelligent schema migrations for django apps

2009-05-06 Thread James Vega
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:53:33PM +0200, Janos Guljas wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Janos Guljas ja...@janos.in.rs * Package name: python-django-south An ITP for this was already filed[0] by David Watson (CCed) a few days ago. Maybe the two of you could work together

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 06, Luk Claes l...@debian.org wrote: Maybe we should also consider changing the default MTA to postfix? Agreed, it's about time. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 06 May 2009 14:21:05 -0500 John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote: I for one would have appreciated it if, before the upload, you had laid out why you're planning to do it here on debian-devel. I don't think you would have met any

Re: Bug#527328: ITP: python-django-south -- Intelligent schema migrations for django apps

2009-05-06 Thread Janos Guljas
I will get in touch with David Watson. Thank you. On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:29 PM, James Vega james...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:53:33PM +0200, Janos Guljas wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Janos Guljas ja...@janos.in.rs * Package name    :

Re: Build-Depends: foo-dbg ?

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 18:14 +0100, Neil Williams a écrit : It did strike me as unusual when working from a basis of autotools and C/C++ packages. If the -dbg package is more than just debugging symbols, should those other parts be in the -dev and leave the debugging symbols alone? Is that

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread John Goerzen
Julien BLACHE wrote: John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote: Hi, I, for one, have heard just about enough of Hey developers, we're doing $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up from people. I'd like a little bit more along the lines of Hey developers, we really think

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 23:29 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : Maybe we should also consider changing the default MTA to postfix? Given that the default configuration is extremely simplistic and doesn’t use a percent of either exim or postfix features, I still wonder why it is not something like

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread John Goerzen
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On Wed, 06 May 2009 14:21:05 -0500 John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote: I for one would have appreciated it if, before the upload, you had laid out why you're planning to do it here on debian-devel. I don't think you would have met any opposition. I

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem? [386 support]

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 05 mai 2009 à 23:38 +0200, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : Interesting. I thought 386 wasn't supported anymore (?) AFAIK the kernel is able to emulate a 486 when running on a 386. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you in `-

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Luk Claes
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 23:29 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : Maybe we should also consider changing the default MTA to postfix? Given that the default configuration is extremely simplistic and doesn’t use a percent of either exim or postfix features, I still wonder why

Re: blocked libtool

2009-05-06 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Thorsten Alteholz (Wed, 06 May 2009 13:22:53 +0200): Hi Adeodato, Hello, Thorsten (hope it's okay I'm quoting you in public). could you please tell me the reason for blocking libtool's transition from unstable to testing? I have a few packages that depend on libtool but don't want to

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org [2009.05.07.0002 +0200]: As much as i like postfix and hate exim: no. If we change, please go to something like nullmailer|ssmtp|whateversimple. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think those do not do queueing, which will break the default assumption

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Marco d'Itri m...@linux.it [2009.05.06.2338 +0200]: Maybe we should also consider changing the default MTA to postfix? Agreed, it's about time. http://doodle.com/exre35q7ckruyxpx -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@d.o Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 07 mai 2009 à 00:01 +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : The default MTA if the one that should work easily for most situations IMHO. Where do we draw the line for “most situations”? If you want to do serious email work, you’ll have to spend some time configuring your exim/postfix and install

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11742 March 1977, Luk Claes wrote: Maybe we should also consider changing the default MTA to postfix? As much as i like postfix and hate exim: no. If we change, please go to something like nullmailer|ssmtp|whateversimple. -- bye, Joerg Overfiend joshk: okay. I've manned a Debian booth

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 09:36:56PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote: - We decide that if you want to mount /usr remotely you are on your own. If we do so, we should stop using mount /usr remotely as an argument for keeping /usr as a single filesystem. What about the (many) arguments made

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu May 07 00:38, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: What about the (many) arguments made here about the *other* reasons to have /usr a separate filesystem? I've nothing against them, I was countering only this precise argument. FWIW, I haven't seen that many, though the one about read-only

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 07 May 2009, martin f krafft wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but I think those do not do queueing, which will break the default assumption that I've seen almost everywhere, which is that when sendmail returns, your email is getting delivered, or you'll get a DSN. Nullmailer does.

Bug#527341: ITP: python-django-squeeze -- Squeeze JS/CSS files on the fly, for Django

2009-05-06 Thread Janos Guljas
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Janos Guljas ja...@janos.in.rs * Package name: python-django-squeeze Version : 0+git20090142 Upstream Author : Artiom Diomin kro...@gmail.com * URL : http://github.com/kron4eg/django-squeeze/tree * License : BSD

Re: dpkg-shlibdeps question

2009-05-06 Thread Jiří Paleček
On Mon, 04 May 2009 19:07:18 +0200, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, 01 May 2009, Jiří Paleček wrote: should almost never happen (except diversion) and the result when it happens is Should I read it as the only legal situation where it returns multiple packages are

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Brian May
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 12:14:42AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org [2009.05.07.0002 +0200]: As much as i like postfix and hate exim: no. If we change, please go to something like nullmailer|ssmtp|whateversimple. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think

Re: Bug#527341: ITP: python-django-squeeze -- Squeeze JS/CSS files on the fly, for Django

2009-05-06 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Janos Guljas wrote: Please package this very handy application. Do you intend to package it, or do you want somebody else to package it? If the latter, this should be an RFP and not an ITP: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ Cheers, Emilio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: deprecating /usr as a standalone filesystem?

2009-05-06 Thread Ben Finney
Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes: Also, this procedure would be much more reliable if we said, in Policy, that maintainer scripts are not allowed to fail if /usr is not writable. (mount -o ro, SELinux, chattr +i, NFS root_squash, whatever.) Would you support that policy? I suspect

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 06, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Given that the default configuration is extremely simplistic and doesn???t use a percent of either exim or postfix features, I still wonder why it is not something like nullmailer or ssmtp. Because it's expected from a UNIX system to be able

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Brian May
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 03:24:13AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 06, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Given that the default configuration is extremely simplistic and doesn???t use a percent of either exim or postfix features, I still wonder why it is not something like

Re: postfix as default-mta? [Re: Bug#508644: new release goal default-mta?]

2009-05-06 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org): Where do we draw the line for “most situations”? If you want to do serious email work, you’ll have to spend some time configuring your exim/postfix and install extra components to run with it. If you don’t, a trivial configuration will do the trick,

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting John Goerzen (jgoer...@complete.org): So I think the problem here is not that you made a technically bad decision. It sounds like you made a good decision. It's how it was communicated. I guess that, in some way, the glibc maintainers wanted to save us from a probably very long and

Re: Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
John Goerzen wrote: Julien BLACHE wrote: John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote: Hi, I, for one, have heard just about enough of Hey developers, we're doing $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up from people. I'd like a little bit more along the lines of Hey

Accepted debian-maintainers 1.58 (source all)

2009-05-06 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:43:35 +1000 Source: debian-maintainers Binary: debian-maintainers Architecture: source all Version: 1.58 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Maintainer Keyring Team

Accepted freebsd-manpages 7.2-1 (source all)

2009-05-06 Thread Gürkan Sengün
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 12:05:51 +0200 Source: freebsd-manpages Binary: freebsd-manpages Architecture: source all Version: 7.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Gürkan Sengün gur...@phys.ethz.ch Changed-By: Gürkan Sengün

Accepted freebsd-buildutils 7.2-1 (source amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:03:20 +0200 Source: freebsd-buildutils Binary: freebsd-buildutils Architecture: source amd64 Version: 7.2-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Aurelien Jarno aure...@debian.org Changed-By: Aurelien

Accepted tulip 3.1.2-2 (source all i386)

2009-05-06 Thread Yann Dirson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 21:43:57 +0200 Source: tulip Binary: tulip tlprender tulip-doc libtulip-3.1 libtulip-dev libtulip-ogl-3.1 libtulip-ogl-dev libtulip-qt4-3.1 libtulip-qt4-dev libtulip-pluginsmanager-3.1 libtulip-pluginsmanager-dev

Accepted ecasound2.2 2.6.0-1 (source all amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:18:46 +0900 Source: ecasound2.2 Binary: ecasound libecasound2.2-dev libkvutils2.2-dev python-ecasound2.2 libecasound-ruby1.8 libecasoundc2.2-dev ecasound-el Architecture: source all amd64 Version: 2.6.0-1

Accepted whizzytex 1.3.1-4 (source all)

2009-05-06 Thread Junichi Uekawa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:19:54 +0900 Source: whizzytex Binary: whizzytex Architecture: source all Version: 1.3.1-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Junichi Uekawa dan...@debian.org Changed-By: Junichi Uekawa

Accepted lp-solve 5.5.0.13-5 (source all amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Rene Engelhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:22:45 +0200 Source: lp-solve Binary: lp-solve lp-solve-doc liblpsolve55-dev Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 5.5.0.13-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Juan Esteban Monsalve Tobon

Accepted ttf-hanazono 20090506-1 (source all)

2009-05-06 Thread Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 19:15:17 +0900 Source: ttf-hanazono Binary: ttf-hanazono Architecture: source all Version: 20090506-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Nobuhiro Iwamatsu iwama...@nigauri.org Changed-By: Nobuhiro

Accepted sane-backends 1.0.20-2 (source amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Julien BLACHE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:02:59 +0200 Source: sane-backends Binary: sane-utils libsane libsane-dev libsane-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.20-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Julien BLACHE jbla...@debian.org

Accepted busybox 1:1.13.3-1 (source i386)

2009-05-06 Thread Bastian Blank
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:46:20 +0200 Source: busybox Binary: busybox busybox-static busybox-udeb Architecture: source i386 Version: 1:1.13.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Install System Team

Accepted mklibs 0.1.27 (source all i386)

2009-05-06 Thread Bastian Blank
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 13:56:04 +0200 Source: mklibs Binary: mklibs mklibs-copy Architecture: source all i386 Version: 0.1.27 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Debian Install System Team debian-b...@lists.debian.org

Accepted libwmf 0.2.8.4-6.1 (source all amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Giuseppe Iuculano
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:19:49 +0200 Source: libwmf Binary: libwmf0.2-7 libwmf-bin libwmf-dev libwmf-doc Architecture: source amd64 all Version: 0.2.8.4-6.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Loic Minier l...@dooz.org

Accepted sane-backends-extras 1.0.20.1 (source amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Julien BLACHE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:21:17 +0200 Source: sane-backends-extras Binary: libsane-extras libsane-extras-dev libsane-extras-dbg Architecture: source amd64 Version: 1.0.20.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Julien BLACHE

Accepted debian-xcontrol 0.0.4-1 (source amd64)

2009-05-06 Thread Simon Richter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:19:18 +0200 Source: debian-xcontrol Binary: debian-xcontrol Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.0.4-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Simon Richter s...@debian.org Changed-By: Simon Richter

Accepted libio-socket-inet6-perl 2.54-1.1 (source all)

2009-05-06 Thread Sean Finney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 15:09:36 +0200 Source: libio-socket-inet6-perl Binary: libio-socket-inet6-perl Architecture: source all Version: 2.54-1.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Masahito Omote om...@debian.org Changed-By:

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