> Whereas there's no indication that RHEL is switching away from upstart. I'm
> not sure why Debian should regard OpenSUSE as an opinion leader when picking
> its core technologies.
When it comes to the boot system we have collaborated quite a lot with Werner
Fink who is SuSE/OpenSuSE affiliated
Please cc me on replies as I am not presently subscribed to
debian-devel.
I would like to do multiarch conversion for the icu packages. I
understand the concept and the implementation, and I have looked at
http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation. One issue not covered
is what to do if y
On Dom 18 Mar 2012 11:55:51 Henri Le Foll escribió:
> Hello
OK, maybe I've hitted enter too fast.
> I don't know a to maintain a package, and I would be interested to
> maintain a package I use every day.
OK, my early reply was mostly to ↑ this.
> First I need to learn how to maintain an easy
On Dom 18 Mar 2012 11:55:51 Henri Le Foll escribió:
> Hello
Hi Henri! Please try the debian-mentors list.
Kinds regards, Lisandro.
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It doesn't matter who is to blame.
A simple /etc/init.d/... start test could catch such grave bugs before
they hit the user.
Who is to blame could be figured out internally.
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On Friday, March 23, 2012 21:45:03, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> I have an idea,
> all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
> started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
> Hmmm, and all bin/ programs should given a test run too... to at least
> see they can pr
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 09:45:03AM +0800, jida...@jidanni.org wrote:
> I have an idea,
> all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
> started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
As Arno already stated[0], this isn't a problem with Apache. One of the
libraries
I have an idea,
all /etc/init.d/ script packages should test to see they actually can be
started and stopped before their debs get shipped.
Hmmm, and all bin/ programs should given a test run too... to at least
see they can print --version without segfaulting etc.
Hmmm, all even more important than
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Svante Signell
wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:29 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>> This is completely off-topic for -devel. Please take it to debian-user
>> if you want to continue.
>
> No it is not, this is as important as the systemd/upstart/sysvint\
> issue, now b
On Friday, March 23, 2012 19:23:11, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 06:59:52PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > On Friday, March 23, 2012 18:26:37, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > > On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > > > Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in t
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 06:59:52PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Friday, March 23, 2012 18:26:37, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > > Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the general
> > > case, daemons need to be patched to work correct
On Friday, March 23, 2012 19:06:48, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 23.03.2012 23:59, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > Lennart Pottering during his talk said that daemons needed to be patched
> > to fully work with systemd, but didn't say specifically what they needed
> > to be patched for. If he had qualified i
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On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:06:09AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:54 +0100, Thomas Bechtold wrote:
> >
> > i did this already 10 month ago [1]. i also wrote some mails to the
> > maintainer, he answered, i build some test packages for debian sid,
> > wrote mails again
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:32:09PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 21:17 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> > On 2012-03-23, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > The man pages are not very informative either.
> >
> > lol whut?
> >
> > You're arguing for CLI tools and then fail to read
On 23.03.2012 23:59, Chris Knadle wrote:
> Lennart Pottering during his talk said that daemons needed to be patched to
> fully work with systemd, but didn't say specifically what they needed to be
> patched for. If he had qualified it, I would have.
Can you provide any references?
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On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:54 +0100, Thomas Bechtold wrote:
>
> i did this already 10 month ago [1]. i also wrote some mails to the
> maintainer, he answered, i build some test packages for debian sid,
> wrote mails again but at the end nothing happened and the maintainer
> didn't answer to my last
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Thomas Bechtold
wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:25 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
>> > version. i followe
On Friday, March 23, 2012 18:26:37, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the general
> > case, daemons need to be patched to work correctly with systemd.
>
> This is simply not true.
>
> Only if you want t
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 19:25 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
> > version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
> > latest ver
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 22:29 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> This is completely off-topic for -devel. Please take it to debian-user
> if you want to continue.
No it is not, this is as important as the systemd/upstart/sysvint\
issue, now being discussed on Debian devel. The general question is:
How much
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 21:17 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2012-03-23, Svante Signell wrote:
> > The man pages are not very informative either.
>
> lol whut?
>
> You're arguing for CLI tools and then fail to read our all favourite
> documentation source?
>
> $ gconftool --all-dirs /
> /system
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On 23.03.2012 20:07, Chris Knadle wrote:
> Right now the situation may be somewhat reversed, because in the general
> case,
> daemons need to be patched to work correctly with systemd.
This is simply not true.
Only if you want to use socket activation, you need to patch your
daemon. But socket
Hi,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Bechtold
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
> version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
> latest version available in debian. i don't care about the upstart
> support in debia
Hi,
i just want to ask if it's possible to update to the latest upstart
version. i followed the latest discussion but i just want to have the
latest version available in debian. i don't care about the upstart
support in debian because:
- i have my own upstart packages for my own software and want
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 20:43 -0300, Fernando Lemos wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Svante Signell
> wrote:
> > Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
> > breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode... Looking forward
> > to the which nasty bugs in the
On 2012-03-23, Svante Signell wrote:
> The man pages are not very informative either.
lol whut?
You're arguing for CLI tools and then fail to read our all favourite
documentation source?
$ gconftool --all-dirs /
/system
/desktop
/schemas
/apps
Go figure. From there. Also you're not helpi
On Friday, March 23, 2012 12:05:28, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf
wrote:
> > Today, on my typical laptop, boot is not the most important task. It
> > is better to have something well working, fixable (being mere shell
> > scripts and that's what your
Steve Langasek wrote:
> The current state of upstart in Debian is a reflection of the upstart
> maintainers' respect for Debian and desire to not destabilize the
> distribution by triggering an avalanche of package conversions that could
> quickly take us past the point of no return for bit rot of
Dmitry uploaded the source package to mentors.debian.org:
http://mentors.debian.net/package/etl
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:56:49AM +0100, Fabian Greffrath wrote:
> >Please let's not forget that this is not about systemd: we have not even
> >started yet the flame war to decide if we should use systemd or upstart.
> Well, In find the overall reception of systemd in upstream projects
> and the
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> Today, on my typical laptop, boot is not the most important task. It
> is better to have something well working, fixable (being mere shell
> scripts and that's what your friend is also pointing). sysvinit serves
> this purpose well.
boo
Roger Leigh, le Fri 23 Mar 2012 10:44:31 +, a écrit :
> Debugging the core sysvinit or systemd code does
> require programming expertise, but it only needs doing once.
> Once it's tested and known to work well, the chance of a
> user running into problems with it is very small.
In the case of
Timo Juhani Lindfors, le Fri 23 Mar 2012 14:15:00 +0200, a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault writes:
> > the particular script that poses problem. With a deamon like systemd,
> > it's rather all-or-nothing.
>
> This gives me the impression that systemd would be a single monolithic
> binary but isn't vcon
Hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 22.03.2012, 12:32 +0100 schrieb Denis Washington:
> synfigstudio already was in Debian, but was removed together with synfig from
> the package archives (bug #612070). Dmitry Smirnov
> has recently updated the etl, synfig and synfigstudio packages to the latest
> upstream a
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 16:23 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Same problem seems to apply to gconf and its successor(s).
>
> Ah yes of course. Because gconftool(1) and gsettings(1) never worked
> at all.
I have tried gconftool before:
gconftool
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On Saturday 17 March 2012 10:23 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> I'd like people to think twice before opt-in for systemd. I just
> taked with a friend working for redhat, and he told me how much he
> hates it. He told me that if *anything* goes wrong in
Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 14:16 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> Regarding configuration of different tools, clicking here and there is
> becoming more like the M$ world.
If any kind of GUI makes you think of Microsoft, there’s not much we can
do for you.
> There you never know where the
> co
> The answer is yes to the three questions; for controlling it’s a bit
> complicated with the existing CLI tools, but it is very easy to
> configure connections with ini-like configuration files and start them
> without X.
but wicd has front-ends for curses, cli, gnome, kde
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Hi
Dne Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:35:34 +0100
Svante Signell napsal(a):
> On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 14:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Vi, 23 mar 12, 00:07:43, Svante Signell wrote:
> > >
> > > Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
> > > breaks!!! Network *should* work
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 13:43 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 13:35 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> > Can the Network Manager be controlled/started/configured in console mode
> > when X is not running? If the answer to the above questions is yes,
> > maybe that setting
Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 13:35 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> Can the Network Manager be controlled/started/configured in console mode
> when X is not running? If the answer to the above questions is yes,
> maybe that setting (making Network Manager work also without X) would be
> the default
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 14:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Vi, 23 mar 12, 00:07:43, Svante Signell wrote:
> >
> > Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
> > breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode...
>
> I'm not a big fan of Network Manager, but this i
Le vendredi 23 mars 2012 à 00:07 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> Speaking about buggy software: Today the libpcre3 update broke a lot of
> functions on my computer
This is an interesting story, as libpcre3 being a really core part of
the system now means that it should stop being maintained in s
On Vi, 23 mar 12, 00:07:43, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> Please, don't make things unbearably complicated in case something
> breaks!!! Network *should* work also in console mode...
I'm not a big fan of Network Manager, but this is unfair: if you click
"Make available to all users" the connection
Samuel Thibault writes:
> the particular script that poses problem. With a deamon like systemd,
> it's rather all-or-nothing.
This gives me the impression that systemd would be a single monolithic
binary but isn't vconsole-setup.c that you mention actually part of a
small helper binary at /lib/sy
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:49:09AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> * Marco d'Itri [2012-03-21 09:34]:
>
> > On Mar 21, Svante Signell wrote:
> >
> > > And how do you expect non-experts be able to solve problems when they
> > > pop up. Buying consultant services from the experts?
> > Non-experts
Tollef Fog Heen, le Fri 23 Mar 2012 10:27:02 +0100, a écrit :
> > What init scripts use from the shell is way less complex than what
> > systemd implements, and it's independant from what is needed to achieve
> > the boot. You can copy over a woking systemd, fine, your system can
> > boot, but you
Please let's not forget that this is not about systemd: we have not even
started yet the flame war to decide if we should use systemd or upstart.
Well, In find the overall reception of systemd in upstream projects
and the current state of upstart in Debian quite convincing. Even
OpenSUSE who w
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 05:04:09PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/23/2012 12:14 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> > [1] https://blip.tv/linuxconfau/beyond-init-systemd-4715015
> >
> This is very interesting, thanks for the link.
>
> What I found interesting, is when he says that all distributio
]] Thomas Goirand
> And also with release goals. If we decide to change sysvinit by something
> else (which ever it is), I guess it would be a wheezy+1 release goal
> (I really hope that nobody is seriously thinking about such radical
> change so close from the freeze...).
I'm working on getting
]] Samuel Thibault
> Tollef Fog Heen, le Thu 22 Mar 2012 15:47:45 +0100, a écrit :
> > > Stig Sandbeck Mathisen, le Thu 22 Mar 2012 13:35:15 +0100, a écrit :
> > > > Samuel Thibault writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Because the issue at stake might lie in systemd itself, not the unit
> > > > > file.
>
On 03/22/2012 07:10 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> This I disagree with, Debian doesn't work by people sitting down,
> writing papers and then agreeing on a course of action. Debian works,
> mostly, by people putting in effort and then documenting how others can
> solve the same or similar problems.
On 03/23/2012 12:14 PM, Chris Knadle wrote:
> [1] https://blip.tv/linuxconfau/beyond-init-systemd-4715015
>
This is very interesting, thanks for the link.
What I found interesting, is when he says that all distributions are
switching to systemd. All but ... Ubuntu. But he pretends to have
goo
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On Mar 22, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> So you believe that systemd
Please let's not forget that this is not about systemd: we have not even
started yet the flame war to decide if we should use systemd or upstart.
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On 2012-03-23 04:07, Ian Jackson wrote:
> If you absolutely want a workaround an obvious one is to bodge a fake
> deluser into the piuparts setup.
I don't think working around bugs without properly documenting them
first ist a good solution. Especially for sid where we do much more
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