On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> I also wonder why unity is not being packaged in Debian..
Based on the logs for #609278 it appears there is a lot of interest
and some people working on packaging it but it sounds like it is hard
to build and requires patches in external compone
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Joey Hess wrote:
> I do wish that some of the .. energy .. seen in these threads could be
> used for something more interesting. For example, find a way to detect
> touch screen systems, on which xfce is *not* pleasant, and don't install
> a desktop task there, but
Clint Byrum writes:
> I am asking you, the Debian developers, to step up and help. I am
> basically unable to contribute more than an hour a month now. There is a
> new round of secret CVE bugs to fix, and some old bugs that need to be
> handled. I think my October hour is about to be available, s
> > * Gnome is said to work fine even on platforms that don't have
> > systemd installed.
> My understanding from what I've read is that it "works fine" except in
> that the features which the ConsoleKit-or-logind dependency provides
> aren't available. That's derived from indirect statements fro
On 10/27/2013 06:41 PM, Brian May wrote:
So my current understanding:
* Gnome use to depend on ConsoleKit.
* ConsoleKit is no longer maintained, and no one is interested in
maintaining it.
* As a result, Gnome switched to using the implementation from
systemd instead, as it has needed feature
So my current understanding:
* Gnome use to depend on ConsoleKit.
* ConsoleKit is no longer maintained, and no one is interested in
maintaining it.
* As a result, Gnome switched to using the implementation from systemd
instead, as it has needed features and is actively being maintained.
* Some
On 28 October 2013 07:52, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > - /lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules - udev rules that will be active on
> >any system with /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd present (because of logind,
> this
> >directory is not a good proxy for whether pid1 == systemd).
>
> That's a bug that
]] Steve Langasek
> Formally, it only requires that the dbus services be available, which is
> given by installing the systemd package, not by running it as init.
That's actually due to a missing feature in the dbus daemon: it should
either have a way to key off init/file system features (so I c
]] Steve Langasek
> In the short term, this could be a committment from the systemd
> maintainers to hold the package at version 204 until the dust settles
> around cgroup manager interfaces[1].
With some time limit (3 months? 6 months?) I think I'd be ok with this.
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:23:42PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Thanks, I hadn't seen that team mentioned before anywhere. It looks
> like the right place for this work to happen. Unfortunately it seems
> rather dormant, as the packages they do have in place date back to
> Ubuntu 12.04 (i.e., b
Hi Giovanni,
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 07:36:15PM +0100, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote:
> Hi, I am trying to build the alpha release of AST ksh on debian testing
> but the compilation fails because it cannot find header files under
> /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys.
> Actually, if I create the symlink
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:37:50PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I don't mean to be rude but please read up on systemd and see the pros
> of cons such as on LWN.net comments or any distro mailing list as many
> are tired of systemd discussion and this wide ranging and much of the
> stolen/borrowed
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 02:12:11AM +0300, Jukka Ruohonen wrote:
> Indeed. And given the train wreck of contemporary Gnome, I fully welcome the
> discussion on alternative default desktops. Some people are keen to rule out
> the stakeholder issues, but a fact on the so-called agenda remains.
I sugg
Hi, I am trying to build the alpha release of AST ksh on debian testing
but the compilation fails because it cannot find header files under
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys.
Actually, if I create the symlink /usr/include/sys ->
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys the compilation succeeds.
I have t
On 10/24/2013 12:30 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013, at 20:16, Octavio Alvarez wrote:
>> On 22/10/13 09:18, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote:
>>> I would suggest: caching-name-server
>>
>> *-dns-server would be better, as it is specific enough to avoid name
>> collision in the future.
>
Am 27.10.2013 16:06, schrieb Daniel Schepler:
> Johannes Schauer wrote:
>> Indeed, none of the Type 1 Self-Cycles are needed to bootstrap the core of
>> Debian. Unfortunately though, most of the Type 2 Self-Cycles are. You will
> find
>> many surprising (at least to me) examples in the section of
i do have a testing vps i can setup for you an account on to do tetsting
etc of mysql and maria db if it helps. I will also want to use it for my
own testing purposes along side.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
> Excerpts from Jonathan Aquilina's message of 2013-10-25 23:36:
On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 22:14 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 26, Svante Signell wrote:
>
> > This really pinpoints the whole problem: What happened to the Unix
> > philosophy, with freedom of choice?
> We killed it for good in 2008:
> http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-January/
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 08:57:54PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 26, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > I'd find it very nice if we had, by default, DNSSEC resolving in Debian,
> > at least in the "default" configuration (whatever that means). By this,
> I agree with the general principle, but I do n
Hi Daniel,
Quoting Daniel Schepler (2013-10-27 16:06:43)
> Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Indeed, none of the Type 1 Self-Cycles are needed to bootstrap the core of
> > Debian. Unfortunately though, most of the Type 2 Self-Cycles are. You will
> find
> > many surprising (at least to me) examples in
Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Indeed, none of the Type 1 Self-Cycles are needed to bootstrap the core of
> Debian. Unfortunately though, most of the Type 2 Self-Cycles are. You will
find
> many surprising (at least to me) examples in the section of "Type 2
> Self-Cycles" under the above link.
On the
On 10/27/2013 01:52 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> I still think that the Debian should be a technology leader.
> Conservative, but technology leader. And DNSSEC adoption would help the
> case.
>
> Also the DSA has already enabled DANE (DNSSEC validated TLS certs) on
> Debian's MTAs, the postfix 2.11 wi
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013, at 18:58, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > I believe the reliability (DOS) issues that DNSSEC imposes coupled with
>
> Please, not this again. If you say DNSSEC DOS issue, you must state all
> the other issues that DNS has.
>
Not really, the security issues are already catered f
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Surely every maintainer of source packages involved in a Type 1 Self-Cycle
> knows about this issue. Because Type 2 Self-Cycles are non-obvious we could in
> the future (once build profiles are available) embed this information in the
> pt
On 2013-10-27, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
Olav is a gnome developer, yes.
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Thomas Goirand (2013-10-27):
> If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
That comes to mind:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Olav+Vitters+Gnome
https://lists.debian.org/20131024192452.ga29...@bkor.dhs.org
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Excerpts from Jonathan Aquilina's message of 2013-10-25 23:36:22 -0700:
> I would like to help in some capacity. Would working in a chrooted
> environment or would one need a fully fledged os?
>
These days I have no standing machines of Debian. I do spin up cloud
instances often that I use to do
Can this be taken off-list? I don't care either way, I'd still take his
points even if he wasn't.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> >>> I'm fed up with repeat
On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>>> I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
>>> system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
>>
>> There seems to be a trend emanating from package
* Simon McVittie:
> On 26/10/13 21:23, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> "Session tracking" includes suspending/hibernating, because logind has
>>> a mechanism to let apps delay suspend, which is necessary for things
>>> like closing the inherent race condition in "lock the screensaver when
>>> we suspend
Hello,
On Oct 26, 2013 7:15 AM, "Uoti Urpala" wrote:
> I am no longer willing to assume that Steve Langasek would act in good
> faith in evaluating init systems; he has posted false claims about
> systemd too many times for me to believe they would all be honest
> mistakes, and has posted what ha
Hi Peter,
Quoting peter green (2013-10-27 01:11:24)
> Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Until these two issues are fixed we will not be able to get an algorithmic
> > answer to the question of what constitutes the minimum required set of
> > packages.
> >
> There is also the complication of what I wi
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