]] Russ Allbery
> Scott Kitterman writes:
>
> > Personally, I use telnet pretty routinely. Generally when I'm acting as
> > a human pretending to be an MTA for troubleshooting purposes. I would
> > find it pretty surprising to find it absent.
>
> Try nc. It works pretty well. :)
Telnet ha
Scott Kitterman writes:
> Personally, I use telnet pretty routinely. Generally when I'm acting as
> a human pretending to be an MTA for troubleshooting purposes. I would
> find it pretty surprising to find it absent.
Try nc. It works pretty well. :)
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Adam Borowski writes:
> I'd start with:
> * dc: a RPN calculator is pretty esoteric, bc is for "normal people".
> * db5.1-util: we're on db5.3, and I don't see much util here.
> * m4: a really obscure language. Used basically only for autoconf scripts,
> and that use is covered by autoconf's d
Sorry about feeding the bickering about systemd. I posted tired and cranky.
I stand by what I said, but I'm not going to try to convince you of it,
or be part of the bickering, from here on (after this message) I'll make
my decision to stay or go in silence and not participate in yet another
exam
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 08:53:59PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Friday, September 12, 2014 02:43:09 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > On Sep 12, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > What would you guys say about cutting some cruft from priority:standard?
> >
> > I like your plan (even if I have some doubts abo
On Friday, September 12, 2014 02:43:09 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Sep 12, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > What would you guys say about cutting some cruft from priority:standard?
>
> I like your plan (even if I have some doubts about telnet).
Personally, I use telnet pretty routinely. Generally when I'm
On Sep 12, Adam Borowski wrote:
> What would you guys say about cutting some cruft from priority:standard?
I like your plan (even if I have some doubts about telnet).
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ciao,
Marco
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Total number of orphaned packages: 588 (new: 0)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 140 (new: 2)
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On 11/09/14 14:50, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> I think it's not realistic to expect upstreams to support online updates
> for every application. Once you have plugins or external data, it's hard
> to keep working properly after an upgrade.
Surely the solution to this is to restart the affected appli
Meow!
What would you guys say about cutting some cruft from priority:standard?
The current list is:
apt-listchanges aptitude aptitude-common at bash-completion bc dc bind9-host
dnsutils host libbind9-90 libdns100 libisc95 liblwres90 bsd-mailx bzip2
libcwidget3 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules-db db5.1-
El mié, 10 de sep 2014 a las 5:34 , Matthias Klumpp
escribió:
Hello!
(This is just a quick heads-up for the PackageKit-using people in
Debian, so if you don't use PK, you can skip this mail.)
We are currently cleaning up PackageKit[1] upstream, which means some
functionality will soon no longer
Hello,
Lets say there is a bug in a package X, however package X is still usable
by itself.
However package Y depends on package X, and as a result of this bug it was
an RC bug.
Is the bug against package X also RC?
My reading of the criteria is it depends on your interpretation of "makes
unrel
Thanks Tomas for working on this!
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Tomas,
>
> thanks for having jumped in dealing with these kinds of bugs. Much
> appreciated!
>
> On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
>> the attached patch implements the removal of th
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:38:52PM +0200, Ralf Jung wrote:
> >> And at least I would prefer offline updates over my web browser crashing
> >> or shell completion breaking (until re-exec of the shell to be
> >> compatible with plugins).
> > I would much prefer to not have to reboot the entire syste
Hi,
>> And at least I would prefer offline updates over my web browser crashing
>> or shell completion breaking (until re-exec of the shell to be
>> compatible with plugins).
>
> I would much prefer to not have to reboot the entire system and lose
> all state for the sake of a couple of userland
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 19:33 +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I though Jan has just described one. For example, taking a 10 year old
> CD with backups from your safe and trying to get the data back.
Another option would be to take the same approach that TrueCrypt did
under (potentially) the same circum
On 11/09/14 18:53, Mirosław Baran wrote:
> Does NetworkManager support multiple VPN connections right now?
Yes.
> (Also,
> what about persistent VPN setups that are independent from the desktop
> session?)
Yes, there's a flag for "automatically connect this VPN when you get
lower-level connectiv
❦ 11 septembre 2014 18:53 +0100, Mirosław Baran :
>> Ultimately, I think this should all be replaced by VPN support in
>> NetworkManager and systemd-networkd.
>
> Does NetworkManager support multiple VPN connections right now? (Also,
> what about persistent VPN setups that are independent from t
Daniel Dickinson writes:
> I will add that for a distribution that claims to be about it's users,
> the systemd attitude of "We're *going* to use systemd so 'suck it up
> Buttercup' really stinks at a social level.
Debians' decision to support systemd already violates Debians' social
contract.
Hi,
On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> I though Jan has just described one. For example, taking a 10 year old
> CD with backups from your safe and trying to get the data back.
seems useful indeed, thanks.
cheers,
Holger
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* License : Apache v2
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On 11/09/2014 03:53, Paul Wise wrote:
Ultimately, I think this should all be replaced by VPN support in
NetworkManager and systemd-networkd.
Does NetworkManager support multiple VPN connections right now? (Also,
what about persistent VPN setups that are independent from the desktop
session?)
On 11/09/2014 18:33, Eduard Bloch wrote:
Otherwise we should disable support for 1024b GPG keys ASAP so nobody
could use them anymore.
Please also note, that the primary author (after a period of dormancy)
is back and seems to be actively working on remediating the issues (cf.
https://github
Hallo,
* Holger Levsen [Thu, Sep 11 2014, 06:42:32PM]:
> Hi Eduard,
>
> On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > In fact, that is what I considered as workaround, and even harder: add a
> > debconf message with priority critical telling exactly those details.
>
> I (probably too
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Nigel Kukard
* Package name: awit-dbackup
Version : 0.0.22
Upstream Author : Nigel Kukard
* URL : http://www.dbackup.org
* License : GPL-3+
Programming Lang: Perl
Description : Flexible one archive per directory
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi Tomas,
thanks for having jumped in dealing with these kinds of bugs. Much
appreciated!
:-)! Thanks Holger!
On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
the attached patch implements the removal of the 'base' pseudo package
from repor
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ghislain Antony Vaillant
* Package name: pnfft
Version : 1.0.6
Upstream Author : Michael Pippig
* URL :
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Programming Lang: C
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Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Ghislain Antony Vaillant
* Package name: pfft
Version : 1.0.7
Upstream Author : Michael Pippig
* URL :
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* License : GPL-3
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Hi Eduard,
On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> In fact, that is what I considered as workaround, and even harder: add a
> debconf message with priority critical telling exactly those details.
I (probably too briefly) skimmed though the bug report, but couldn't find a
usecase
[ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ]
Hi folks,
As promised, here's a quick summary of what was discussed at the BoF
session in Portland. Apologies for the delay - it takes a while to
write these up... :-/
Thanks to the awesome efforts of our video team, the session is
already online [1].
Hi Tomas,
thanks for having jumped in dealing with these kinds of bugs. Much
appreciated!
On Donnerstag, 11. September 2014, Tomas Pospisek wrote:
> the attached patch implements the removal of the 'base' pseudo package
> from reportbug.
cool, thanks! (Though this should probably be re-send as
Hello,
the attached patch implements the removal of the 'base' pseudo package
from reportbug.
Additionally I'd like to ask if it'd be OK to at the same time reassign
the existing few bug reports from the 'base' package to the 'general'
package or to more specific packages (most of the 'base'
Hallo,
* Jan Niehusmann [Thu, Sep 11 2014, 12:12:08PM]:
> The bug report is about security issues, but these are not security
> issues of the software (as in: you can somehow hack into the computer
> wich is running the software), but of the encryption algorithms used.
>
> So it can be compared t
Ansgar wrote:
>On 09/11/2014 15:30, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>
>> Please push back hard against this - the offline-updates "feature" is
>> a joke. Let's not try to emulate the worst bits of Windows any more
>> please.
>
>Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system.
>For sys
2014-09-11 16:33 GMT+02:00 Salvo Tomaselli :
> In data giovedì 11 settembre 2014 15:40:31, Ansgar Burchardt ha scritto:
>> Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system.
>> For system services they usually work fine as they can be restarted by
>> the upgrade process, however
In data giovedì 11 settembre 2014 15:40:31, Ansgar Burchardt ha scritto:
> Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system.
> For system services they usually work fine as they can be restarted by
> the upgrade process, however user applications break...
But I normally don't r
Daniel Dickinson writes:
> On 10/09/14 02:52 PM, Noel Torres wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Why to install OpenVPN which might not work? aptitude will tell you
>> that
>> they are not coinstallable and the sysadmin will then have the option of
>> switching init system to a non default one, knowing what th
On 09/11/2014 15:30, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Matthias wrote:
>> PackageKit also has support for systemd-based offline-updates for a
>> while now, which downloads updates while the system is running, and
>> installs them in a special mode when the system is rebooting. This
>> should ensure that no b
Matthias wrote:
>
>PackageKit also has support for systemd-based offline-updates for a
>while now, which downloads updates while the system is running, and
>installs them in a special mode when the system is rebooting. This
>should ensure that no breakage happens when running applications are
>repl
On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 21:36 +, Nick Phillips wrote:
[...]
> Debian has a good and hard-earned reputation for not messing up
> sysadmins' changes; upgrading to systemd - however wonderful it is (and
> I confess to having no opinion on that) - without at least a debconf
> prompt of a reasonable p
Hi,
due to bug #736066, encfs was removed from jessie.
I'd think it would be better to allow encfs into jessie for the
following reasons:
The bug report is about security issues, but these are not security
issues of the software (as in: you can somehow hack into the computer
wich is running the
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 02:01:00PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Alberto,
>
> I think you might be too deep in sysvinit paradigms how we did (hack)
> things before.
> I personally think that mapping the functionality 1:1 is a wrong
> approach because you will end up in some impossible scenario in t
Marcin Kulisz wrote:
> On 2014-09-09 18:23:58, Josh Triplett wrote:
> > Michael Biebl wrote:
> > > Together with the /lib/sysvinit/init fallback binary in sysvinit and
> > > (and optionally my patch getting merged for grub [1]), this should
> > > provide for a hopefully seamless upgrade experience.
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On 2014-09-10 20:52, Noel Torres wrote:
Yes. Why to install OpenVPN which might not work? aptitude will tell
you that
they are not coinstallable and the sysadmin will then have the option
of
switching init system to a non default one, knowing what that means,
and
having a working OpenVPN config
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:04:07 -0300, Martinx - ?
wrote:
> Also, during Debian 8 installation, please, provide an "altinit" option (
>http://pyro.eu.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-altinit/ ?), so, people can
>choose between systemd / sysvinit (before 1st boot). I know that it seems
>easy to just
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