On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 05:26:35PM +, Sean Whitton wrote:
> IMO the point of the field is to ensure that you /don't/ have to upgrade
> to the latest version of Policy right away. It allows you to keep track
> of the version of Policy you are up-to-date with, so you can do it
> later/someone mo
On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 08:40:38PM +0100, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> wouldn't it be simpler to couple debhelper dependency to
> Standards-Version ?
There are packages which may break with newer debhelper, but can be easily
updated to the current policy.
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Josh Triplett writes:
> It seems far harder to do so for a service that provides no
> daemonization support at all, expects socket or D-Bus activation,
> integrates with containerization, or otherwise makes use of the
> variety of mechanisms that make it far easier to write more capable
> and sec
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On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 12:38:55AM +0100, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
> Lately architectures tend to use automatic bootstrapping at least for
> some of the initial dependencies. Adding support for build profiles
> (would be something like pkg.e2fsprogs.nofuse in this case) can help to
> b
On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 at 16:51:45 -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> This probably doesn't help much, but for people who are doing things
> by hand, you can skip the dependency on fuse by unpacking the
> e2fsprogs source packaging, adding the file debian/rules.custom which
> contains the single line, "SKI
Hi!
2018-01-01 22:51 Theodore Ts'o:
This probably doesn't help much, but for people who are doing things
by hand, you can skip the dependency on fuse by unpacking the
e2fsprogs source packaging, adding the file debian/rules.custom which
contains the single line, "SKIP_FUSE2FS=yes", and building
Vincent Bernat writes:
> ❦ 1 janvier 2018 11:31 -0800, Russ Allbery :
>> So that when someone does have a chance to update the package, they
>> know where to start from when reading the upgrading checklist.
> I never do that and I don't intend to do that in the future. Packaging
> is already
❦ 1 janvier 2018 19:45 GMT, "Dr. Bas Wijnen" :
>> If we don't comply with the latest policy, this is considered a serious bug.
>
> Yes. But a package complying with the previous policy, but not the current
> one
> is unlikely, because policy changes are normally written down once most
> packa
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 08:35:10PM +0100, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> > To to be clear, the key metric for your specific goal is the reduction
> > of the _source_ package count since the goal is to reduce the number
> > of packages which have to be built by "hand" (or by script), before
> > you can crea
❦ 1 janvier 2018 11:31 -0800, Russ Allbery :
>>> Purpose of the Standards-Version field is *not* to keep you busy
>>> silencing corresponding lintian warning, but to state which version of
>>> Debian Policy the package is verified to comply with.
>
>> And why is it useful to know something li
Jérémy Lal writes:
> About sparing time, having to maintain
> debian/compat
> Build-Depends debhelper
> Standards-Version
> is overkill. Sure, i suppose there are times it's useful to be decoupled,
> but wouldn't it be simpler to couple debhelper dependency to
> Standards-Version ?
They're not v
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On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 07:43:06PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 1 janvier 2018 17:47 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard :
>
> >> I have very little time for Debian. Each time I update a package, I have
> >> to bump Standards-Version and fix new Lintian warnings. I would
> >> appreciate if we would ass
2018-01-01 20:33 GMT+01:00 Tollef Fog Heen :
> ]] Vincent Bernat
>
> > ❦ 1 janvier 2018 17:47 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard :
> >
> > > Purpose of the Standards-Version field is *not* to keep you busy
> > > silencing corresponding lintian warning, but to state which version of
> > > Debian Policy the
]] Simon Richter
> A daemon must be capable of running standalone and dealing with the
> fallout of depended-on services shutting down, restarting, crashing or
> being generally unavailable. All of these are significantly harder to
> get right than startup in a SysV environment.
A lot of the tim
]] Vincent Bernat
> ❦ 1 janvier 2018 17:47 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard :
>
> > Purpose of the Standards-Version field is *not* to keep you busy
> > silencing corresponding lintian warning, but to state which version of
> > Debian Policy the package is verified to comply with.
>
> And why is it
Vincent Bernat writes:
> ❦ 1 janvier 2018 17:47 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard :
>> Purpose of the Standards-Version field is *not* to keep you busy
>> silencing corresponding lintian warning, but to state which version of
>> Debian Policy the package is verified to comply with.
> And why is it us
Hi,
On 01.01.2018 17:42, Josh Triplett wrote:
> There's a difference between "dropping support" and "not mandating
> support".
Ideally, yes, but in practice the difference isn't very large. The main
reasons I see for people to use sysvinit are:
- reliability: there have been a few interesting
❦ 1 janvier 2018 17:47 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard :
>> I have very little time for Debian. Each time I update a package, I have
>> to bump Standards-Version and fix new Lintian warnings. I would
>> appreciate if we would assess the time developers will take to update
>> packages because of a chang
Josh Triplett writes:
> This thread started with the question of "is it a bug to not have
> sysvinit support". And I think the answer, at this point, is "yes, but
> depending on the level of additional code and maintenance required, it
> might potentially be a wishlist bug". And there's a limit t
On Mon, Jan 01, 2018 at 08:42:52AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
It seems easy
enough to just write a "missing" init script, or accept a patch for one.
It seems far harder to do so for a service that provides no
daemonization support at all, expects socket or D-Bus activation,
integrates with conta
Hello,
On Mon, Jan 01 2018, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> I have very little time for Debian. Each time I update a package, I
> have to bump Standards-Version and fix new Lintian warnings. I would
> appreciate if we would assess the time developers will take to update
> packages because of a change.
O
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Josh Triplett writes:
> > Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> It does, however, mean that it's a good idea for us to continue to
>>> support sysvinit.
>
>> Not quite. It means we should maintain support for sysvinit *scripts*
>> for the foreseeable future; there's no good reason for us
Quoting Vincent Bernat (2018-01-01 17:19:36)
> ❦ 1 janvier 2018 14:28 GMT, Chris Lamb :
>
>>> W: python3-pysnmp4:
>>> python-package-depends-on-package-from-other-python-variant (Suggests:
>>> python-pysnmp4-doc)
>>>
>>> My solution? Removing the Sugggests and pray someone doesn't open a bug
❦ 1 janvier 2018 14:28 GMT, Chris Lamb :
> > W: python3-pysnmp4:
> > python-package-depends-on-package-from-other-python-variant (Suggests:
> > python-pysnmp4-doc)
> >
> > My solution? Removing the Sugggests and pray someone doesn't open a bug
> > to request suggesting the documentation.
>
>
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Paul Wise wrote:
> > W: python3-pysnmp4:
> > python-package-depends-on-package-from-other-python-variant (Suggests:
> > python-pysnmp4-doc)
> >
> > My solution? Removing the Sugggests and pray someone doesn't open a bug
> > to request suggesting the documentation.
I'm finding it difficult to re
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