On 15/06/13 13:04, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:15:03PM +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>> The issue that worries me most about these desktop notification plans is
>> the possibility that some package may decide to unnecessarily drop
>> support for non-desktop systems, adding depe
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On 16/06/13 10:05, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 16 iun 13, 09:49:41, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm at loss with what to do with #710047. (random freeze since
>> wheezy)
>
> More information would be nice, redirect to debian-user?
>
>>
On 13/06/13 12:59, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 09:41:27PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> DFSG #4: Our priorities are our users and free software
>>
>> A court prosecuting/persecuting one of our users is not in scope
> I'm now struggling to
On 12/06/13 21:35, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2013-06-12 08:08:17 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>>> That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for
>>> transporting messages, but leveraging O
On 12/06/13 14:41, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> OpenPGP and S/MIME don't guarantee anonymity as they don't (and can't
>> really) encrypt the headers/envelope
>
> Erm, they also identify the recip
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On 12/06/13 12:29, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 08:08:17AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>>> On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>&g
On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Something that doesn't have these limitations:
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2487#section-7
> [...]
>
> That basically just makes the c
On 11/06/13 22:56, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2013-06-12 02:09:24 +0800 (+0800), Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:01:58PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>
>>> What about replacing SMTP?
>>
>> With what?
>
> With ESMTP, of course!
On 28/05/13 03:02, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Now that we are done with systemd for the time being, can we have the
> flame war about replacing Exim with Postfix as the default MTA?
>
> Are there any objections other than "but I like it this way!"?
>
What about replacing SMTP?
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On 11/06/13 01:11, Michael Banck wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:24:39PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Every copy of jessie could be distributed with one of the red hoods
>> referred to in this article:
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/wor
On 11/06/13 00:37, Jens Roder wrote:
> Hello,
>
> just like to add that today this "feature" with the popup blocked my gnome
> within the suspend procedure, which I did not see but got a hot running
> laptop in the bag. When I opened the laptop again I saw the problem and when
> clicking on canc
On 10/06/13 16:51, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 10/06/13 15:36, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> Simon McVittie writes:
>>> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
>>> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
>>> under Wayland, not supporte
On 10/06/13 14:12, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 10/06/13 12:34, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> a) a web site displaying a "PolicyKit" popup that resembles the wording
>> of the Debian popup
> GNOME Shell does mitigate this by using a distinctive UI for
> "system-modal d
On 10/06/13 10:21, Alexey Serikov wrote:
> A few points:
>
> 1) if your user is part of sudo group, most of the time gnome will ask
> for your user's password instead of root's.
> 2) Debian is a finite set of software. It provides packages (literally
> thousands of them) that are stable, safe and m
On 09/06/13 19:20, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
>> for the root password
>
> I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to specif
Hi,
There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking for
the root password
I opened a bug for discussion about the issue, but it was closed by
another DD (not the maintainer) - [1]. Other users have come across the
bug too and requested attention for it with the same conce
On 30/05/13 13:19, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Dennis van Dok wrote:
>> On 26-05-13 20:02, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
Hi Dennis and everybody,
somewhat related to this, I would like to know if
There seem to be a few new discussions about these possible solutions
As well as the traditional init scripts, I've worked with systemd on
Fedora and SMF on Solaris. Out of all possible solutions, I don't have
any strong feelings about which solution Debian should go with at this
stage.
Howeve
On 12/05/13 21:11, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 05/11/2013 10:12 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 11/05/13 04:35, Paul Wise wrote:
>>> I think you want to discuss this on the debian-java list instead.
>>>
>>
>> The reason I posted here is that the concept is jus
There have been various discussions about how to change the release process
I'm not personally convinced that the process is fundamentally flawed.
If there are still as many wheezy systems in 10 years as there are
Windows XP machines in corporations today, then people won't remember
the freeze i
On 11/05/13 04:35, Paul Wise wrote:
> I think you want to discuss this on the debian-java list instead.
>
The reason I posted here is that the concept is just as viable for other
languages with their own distribution systems (e.g. R and Drupal both
have their own package distribution mechanisms)
I started a thread[1] on maven-user yesterday to try and understand
whether Maven's convenience with binary artifacts extrapolates to
convenience working with source
One of the first answers even suggested I should go and see the Debian
folks (the FTP master's reputation for keeping binary stuff
On 04/05/13 08:17, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 04-05-13 05:04, Charles Plessy wrote:
>> In any case, please refrain passive-aggressive statements on other people's
>> projects.
>
> Except that this time the "project" we're talking about was one person
> asking another person "can you clarify wha
content of such source packages. Bernhard,
could you comment on what you understood my intention was?
On 03/05/13 18:50, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Daniel Pocock [130501 21:28]:
>> Would there be any hard objection to a source package format based on
>> git-bundle?
>
> I thi
Just following up on the earlier discussion about VCS (not just git) in
the packaging workflow
Would there be any hard objection to a source package format based on
git-bundle?
In other words, dpkg-source would extract all repository history (or all
of the branch used to build the package) usi
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On 29/03/13 08:19, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
>
>> What we need is someone who can reliably reproduce the issue and help
>> with debugging.
>
> I've had a probably related problem, without using GNOME
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455
Several students have inquired about the possibility of doing a
real-time communication (RTC) project for GSoC, one has already started
his application[1] and a few others have been corresponding with me by
email.
Rather than letting the students guess what we need or want, I'm hoping
some peopl
I'm just wondering if anybody else has looked at OpenMAMA or seen any
potential problems for packaging it?
http://www.openmama.org/
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On 25/04/13 18:07, Simon Chopin wrote:
> Quoting Daniel Pocock (2013-04-25 17:34:03)
>> ZeroMQ is a very lightweight solution - it is brokerless (like
>> multicast) so won't necessarily support the requirement for
>
On 25/04/13 13:50, Simon Chopin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Nicolas Dandrimont and I are currently working on a project proposal for
> the Google Summer of Code to use the messaging system written by Fedora,
> fedmsg[0][1], within the Debian infrastructure (some of you might have seen
> the various ITPs relat
I came across this on Planet Debian
http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog//posts/lack_of_cooperation_from_ubuntu/
I'm guessing that Ubuntu may not have pushed the changes to sid because
of the freeze, that may well be the answer to Rogério's questions.
Nonetheless, with derivatives and Debian itself h
On 12/04/13 07:56, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/12/2013 03:25 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> The Yubikey neo can run the java applet thingies, it seems, so it can
>> act as a GPG token too.
> Please, please, please ... no java!!!
> That's a security nightmare. I think we'd be less safe with
> th
On 11/04/13 21:25, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Luca Filipozzi
>
>> I can help with a GSoC but I think DSA would prefer to lean in the direction
>> of
>> the above.
>
> I'm also happy to help with it. I have a bit of experience with the
> yubikey tokens, and at least one of the upstreams is on
Fedora recently put in Yubikey for their packagers[1], although they are
only half way there, supporting sudo but not web auth so far.
Similar things could probably happen in Debian.
I've proposed two-factor authentication as a potential area for a GSoC
project[2], two things come up:
a) would
On 09/04/13 17:54, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 02.04.2013 22:48, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 04/02/2013 12:16 AM, Luca Falavigna wrote:
>>> In a perfect world there wouldn't be any need for a NEW queue at all.
>>> But we have to face with the reality.
>>> We try to do our best to improve things whe
On 08/04/13 13:53, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 08-04-13 08:53, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> I'm not suggesting that squeeze systems were installed that way by
>> default, although people who have migrated an FS from a raw partition
>> to an LV may have this in fstab.
> A
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On 07/04/13 18:15, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 16:19 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 07/04/13 15:47, Neil Williams wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:25:43 +0200 Daniel Pocock
>>> wrote:
>
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On 07/04/13 15:47, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Apr 2013 15:25:43 +0200 Daniel Pocock
> wrote:
>
>> I notice this bug was downgraded below the RC threshold and
>> appears to have been missed so far:
>
> It was
On 05/04/13 14:06, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Daniel Pocock writes ("SI units (was Re: failure to communicate)"):
>> It may actually be useful for the technical committee to review what is
>> on the wiki and make some general statement about Debian's position (if
>&
I notice this bug was downgraded below the RC threshold and appears to
have been missed so far:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612402
Basically, if somebody has UUID syntax in /etc/fstab, their root FS
isn't mounted and they can't boot
Patches are included, should this be bum
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On 04/04/13 22:43, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> Quoting ian_br...@fastmail.net (ian_br...@fastmail.net):
>
>> If Debian bug report #684128 proves anything, it is that you will never
>> convince anyone with technical argument, facts advanced in support o
For anybody who wants to hack away at an enhanced diagram for their own
*-buildpackage workflow, I've attached to my blog a copy of the raw dia file
http://danielpocock.com/sites/danielpocock.com/files/release-packaging-workflow.dia
It is shared under the GPL v3 terms
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On 02/04/13 18:35, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/02/2013 07:52 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> The problem is, how to pass this benefit on to users without either (a)
>> marking every bug RC
> There is absolutely no point doing that. Unless we are really
> really close from rele
On 02/04/13 19:57, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Vincent Bernat writes ("Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad
> X220T"):
>> ❦ 28 mars 2013 20:38 CET, Thomas Goirand :
>>> Unless you are the original reporter and you need to
>>> decide in order to fill the bug, please don't. That's the
>>>
On 02/04/13 14:00, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Daniel Pocock (02/04/2013):
>> To put this in context, I recently found that one of the packages I
>> depend on (libasio-dev) is actually orphaned. It is mentioned in
>> PTS, but I was never proactively alerted by anything such
On 02/04/13 09:24, Andreas Tille wrote:
> [moving to debian-devel as Neil suggested]
>
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:52:30PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
>> As a general hint, requests that are "obviously correct" get approved
>> very quicky.
> I can confirm this - thanks for the release team.
>
>> T
On 02/04/13 01:04, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 01 avril 2013 à 22:04 +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a
> écrit :
>>> $ apt-cache depends libgl1-mesa-glx
>>>...
>>> Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri
>>>
>>
>> Well, "Recommends" are installed by default, aren't they? However, I'm
>> no
On 01/04/13 22:04, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 04/01/2013 09:59 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Agreed, but that doesn't complete the picture, as libgl1-mesa-glx
>> doesn't depend on libgl1-mesa-dri:
>>
>> $ apt-cache depends libgl1-mesa-glx
>>
On 01/04/13 14:37, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 04/01/2013 11:59 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>> I've found that some default packages in Gnome are broken if
>> libgl1-mesa-dri is not installed
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> While I've fi
I've found that some default packages in Gnome are broken if
libgl1-mesa-dri is not installed
libgl1-mesa-dri is only installed on upgrade if the package xorg is
present in squeeze, but that is not always the case according to popcon:
http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=xorg
xserver-xo
Are other people having trouble with empathy recently?
- about 8 months ago, I found the version in testing would not interact
with the version in squeeze
- about 3 months ago, I found it had improved a lot
- now, I find two users on the same LAN using the latest version from
wheezy can't call
On 30/03/13 00:23, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> On 29 March 2013 20:03, Svante Signell wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently purchased an Acer S7, having both a keyboard and a touch
>> screen. It is currently running Windows 8. Any chances of running Debian
>> GNU/Linux on that box? I've heard rumours tha
On 29/03/13 21:03, Svante Signell wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently purchased an Acer S7, having both a keyboard and a touch
> screen. It is currently running Windows 8. Any chances of running Debian
> GNU/Linux on that box? I've heard rumours that Ubuntu supports this
> hardware, is that true?
>
I
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On 28/03/13 18:59, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 28.03.2013 18:48, schrieb Daniel Pocock:
>
>> I clearly understand your previous feedback and agree, that is
>> why I thought it might be helpful discussing this issue on
>> deb
On 28/03/13 19:12, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> Perfection is unattainable. Every Debian stable release is buggy as
> hell, and that's unavoidable, if we want to make any releases at all.
I don't think anybody raised the issue of perfection
This issue I've observed is a relative one - it was workin
On 28/03/13 16:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/28/2013 06:47 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote:
>>> Control: severity -1 important
>>>
>>> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes
>>&
On 28/03/13 12:32, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 28-03-13 11:47, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote:
>>> Control: severity -1 important
>>>
>>> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes
>>> unr
On 28/03/13 12:24, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> * John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2013-03-28 12:08]:
>
>> On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>> Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay
>>> for their laptop repair if this issue caus
On 28/03/13 11:06, Julien Cristau wrote:
> Control: severity -1 important
>
> I am raising this bug to critical, as it meets the definition "makes
> unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) break"
> No, it does not. hw will shut itself off before getting damaged.
Would you provide a
On 22/03/13 00:18, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:09:20 +0100
> Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> > Would you be able to take over the ITP bug I created? Then you will
> > be the one closing it when you upload.
>
> > I did a search for any IT
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On 22/03/13 00:00, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>> It would also be useful for me to know which other accounting
>> packages are popular in the free software community and whether
>> people would use PostBooks if it was packaged. I tried GnuCash,
>> but
I'm just wondering if anybody else looked at this code or their license[1]?
License discussion stopped at [2], not clear if it the license is
definitely rejected or not, my impression of the clause is that it
doesn't mandate a splash screen, it just means you can't put attribution
in small print
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On 28/02/13 20:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Daniel Pocock (2013-02-28 19:20:09)
>> On 28/02/13 13:15, Simon McVittie wrote:
>>> On 28/02/13 09:39, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>> Has anybody had experi
On 28/02/13 13:15, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 28/02/13 09:39, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Has anybody had experience controlling access to git repositories, for
>> example, to give users access but prevent some of the following
>> dangerous operations?
>
> If you look
There was recently some discussion in pkg-javascript about how to give
more people access to the VCS (e.g. keeping the git repositories
logically organised under the pkg-javascript tree, but making write
access available to all DDs + alioth guest users and not just those in
the pkg-javascript UNI
On 23/02/13 17:41, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Am Samstag, 23. Februar 2013, 16:39:22 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez
> Meyer:
>> On Sat 23 Feb 2013 12:33:58 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer escribió:
>>> On Sat 23 Feb 2013 12:18:30 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer escribió:
On Sat 2
On 24/02/13 01:01, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Daniel Pocock writes:
>> - WebSockets carries the SIP signaling (e.g. to register the user
>> location, find the person you want to call). WebSockets works through
>> HTTP proxies
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web
On 24/02/13 00:20, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Daniel Pocock writes:
>> JavaScript and give users of their package the ability to click'n'call
>> other users within the web page.
>
> Have you had time to study how the technology works? If both parties are
> b
I've just uploaded the SIPml5 JavaScript packages into the queue for
unstable
This stuff really is revolutionary.
I've had it running with Google Chrome 25 on squeeze and wheezy, and
using a patched repro (reSIProcate) SIP proxy on wheezy.
Anybody maintaining any type of web package (e.g. a CMS
Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
>On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>> Daniel Pocock writes ("NDEBUG when building packages?"):
>>> I notice some upstreams hack NDEBUG into their Makefile, while
>others
>>> leave it at the discretion of
I notice some upstreams hack NDEBUG into their Makefile, while others
leave it at the discretion of the user
Is there any distribution policy for this? Should I be adding something
into debian/rules to set -DNDEBUG when I prepare a package for release?
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On 19/01/13 22:07, Mathieu Parent wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2013/1/19 Daniel Pocock :
>
>>
>
>
>> A few weeks back, the pkg-monitoring team was created
>>
>> Although we currently look after Ganglia related stuff, it is not
>> exclusively for Ga
A few weeks back, the pkg-monitoring team was created
Although we currently look after Ganglia related stuff, it is not
exclusively for Ganglia, and could be a good way to collaborate on any
package related to metric collection, storage and analysis
Anybody wishing to collaborate or migrate pac
On 17/01/13 15:08, Olivier Berger wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Daniel Pocock writes:
>
>> Simon and I both have some security/authentication packages in Debian.
>> I've proposed a group on alioth, pkg-auth, which would be an umbrella
>> for packages like this an
For some (probably many) people, an upgrade from squeeze (or earlier) to
wheezy may be their first real experience of DNSSEC
I've tried to update the wiki page to help people who are completely new
to the subject. However, I'm sure there are people who may be able to
provide more specific comm
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