Re: [buildd-tools-devel] sbuild just hangs

2015-07-30 Thread Roger Leigh
On 30/07/2015 15:56, Nikolaus Rath wrote: On Jul 30 2015, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Johannes Schauer wrote: there are (unfortunately) a number of situations I encountered when sbuild would just hang or just fail without any sensible error message. In my case, the most common

schroot and "shellshock"

2014-11-09 Thread Roger Leigh
with "-p", this will be passed to the shell in the chroot. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key

Re: make 4.0: archive rebuild resulted in 73 packages broken (help wanted)

2014-04-30 Thread Roger Leigh
ently- updated packages at this point. If we can update the hack to keep it in use for a while longer, that's great. It will definitely ease the pain. However, we still need to remove it at some point in the next months, so planning on how to handle the badly-maintained packages is needed e

Re: make 4.0: archive rebuild resulted in 73 packages broken (help wanted)

2014-04-30 Thread Roger Leigh
allow the transition to be done effectively, and was never planned to exist except for the short term during the transition, which is now progressed quite well. I posted some stats on it a couple of months back. This may be an opportune time to remove the nasty hack and mandate the use of the

Re: Please upgrade your build environment when you are affected by transition

2014-02-28 Thread Roger Leigh
ult for end users and buildds and enable dist-upgrade by default for one or both of these if there's consensus that this is desirable and safe to do. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and

Re: C++ testing library

2014-02-20 Thread Roger Leigh
++ test frameworks already in existence, and it would certainly be worthwhile evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of them before committing to adding yet another. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `'

Re: Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-19 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 01:02:55PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 01:58:48PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > > Thanks for doing the rebuilds! > > > * Roger Leigh , 2014-02-18, 22:58: > > >┌┬┬───┐ > > &

Re: Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-19 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 01:58:48PM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > Thanks for doing the rebuilds! > > * Roger Leigh , 2014-02-18, 22:58: > >┌┬┬───┐ > >│ current │ buildarch │ count │ > >├┼┼───┤ > >

Re: Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:58:50PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > I hope the above is useful for measuring progress on this front. Do > we have any plans for enforcing build-arch for jessie at this point? > If we haven't already, stronger warnings when running dpkg-buildpackage

Status of build-arch coverage

2014-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
for measuring progress on this front. Do we have any plans for enforcing build-arch for jessie at this point? If we haven't already, stronger warnings when running dpkg-buildpackage and stronger lintian warnings (errors?) would be useful to add. Regards, Roger -- .''`.

Re: pulseaudio related problems....

2014-02-18 Thread Roger Leigh
better. I'm yet another of the herd who found that pulse was broken out of the box, and that removing it made things work immediately. In fact, it's only worked on one out of the several systems I've tried it on, and even there it was sufficiently annoying that it lasted only a f

sbuild maintenance, bug handling and patch review needed

2014-02-12 Thread Roger Leigh
f anyone would be able to take over some of this stuff, I'd be very grateful. I'll continue to be available for answering questions and helping where I am able, but I'm afraid I won't be able to continue as one of the primary maintainers for the foreseeable future. Thanks, Roger

Re: Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:46:50AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 01/20/2014 09:56 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:30:24 + Roger Leigh wrote: > > > >> This is a system with

Re: Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-20 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:29:28PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > previously on this list Roger Leigh contributed: > > > With an SSD, you really > > don't want /tmp or swap on it; > > Why?, due to limited write cycles? That's one reason, but the one

Bug#735927: general: X *always* crashes when ram is full

2014-01-19 Thread Roger Leigh
some adjustments to RAMTMP/TMPSIZE if the rootfs is on an SSD and/or swap is absent. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG

Re: [RFH] !!SOS!! totally hosed init system

2014-01-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, Jan 04, 2014 at 08:07:08PM +0100, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2014, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > If file-rc and/or the maintainer scripts somehow restored the links > > incorrectly, then insserv will ignore the header and preserve your > > customisations &

Re: 'tty' output on kFreeBSD, etc. within sbuild

2014-01-03 Thread Roger Leigh
ake the assumption that they are interactive and freeze the build waiting on IO that never happens and then block forever. There may well have been other considerations I don't recall offhand e.g. relating to job control. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian

Re: [RFH] !!SOS!! totally hosed init system

2014-01-03 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 01:57:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Roger Leigh codelibre.net> writes: > > > If you're referring to the commit above, it's because we've fully > > transitioned to dependency-based boot for wheezy, so the hardcoded > > run

Re: [RFH] !!SOS!! totally hosed init system

2014-01-03 Thread Roger Leigh
was all working for wheezy from my own testing of it in VMs, but I'm not a file-rc user, and there may be cases where the configuration isn't being migrated. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/

Re: Bug#733029: dpkg-buildpackage: disable signing by default (-us -uc should be the default)

2014-01-02 Thread Roger Leigh
rom the POV of having a replacement for debsign, we can conditionally switch to using it as soon as it becomes available. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://g

Re: Move awk implementations from /usr/bin to /bin

2014-01-02 Thread Roger Leigh
e can just be ignored if not wanted; there is no further work required from that point of view, I think. Given that they won't be used by default and are harmless, but do add interesting new capabilities, I would like to see them used though. Regards, Roger -- .''

Re: using packages from sid on travis-ci.org

2013-09-15 Thread Roger Leigh
xlive-fonts-recommended tex-gyre; fi - if [[ $BUILD == 'sphinx' ]]; then sudo fc-cache -rsfv; fi In this case, we're updating to a newer version of Ubuntu and installing packages from it, but you can probably do exactly the same for unstable. Regards, Roger -- .''

Re: buildd could run "make -i" twice on failure

2013-09-07 Thread Roger Leigh
package maintainers could add to support their specific requirements. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-21 Thread Roger Leigh
t it would be difficult and painful once it became pervasive and entrenched. We would be effectively "locked in". -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net

Re: /usr (was: Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this) means for our ports

2013-07-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:28:28AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > - we can't fsck /usr when mounted, so this needs doing in the > > initramfs (/ and /usr are fscked, with the appropriate > > helpers

Re: /usr (was: Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this) means for our ports

2013-07-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:25:42AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:07:39PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > - using the same infrastructure, it's also possible to > > mount /etc in the initramfs so that you can have e.g. a > > separately encryp

Re: /usr (was: Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this) means for our ports

2013-07-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 06:38:18PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 16 July 2013 17:07, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Once the rootfs is mounted, we parse $root/etc/fstab and mount /usr > > using that information. When init starts, /usr is therefore > > available from the begi

Re: /usr (was: Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this) means for our ports

2013-07-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 05:37:09PM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > I don't think that we agreed on merging /usr at all. I have written > > some patches for initramfs-tools to permit fsck and mount of /usr > > in

Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this means for our ports

2013-07-15 Thread Roger Leigh
scripts are doing and why, it's not possible to draw any useful conclusion from these numbers. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools

/usr (was: Re: Survey answers part 3: systemd is not portable and what this) means for our ports

2013-07-14 Thread Roger Leigh
e initramfs in addition to the rootfs, but that's as far as this has gone. There's no merging here, just changing where /usr is mounted in the boot process. I'll be happy to consider anything you want to raise in more detail; nothing as yet has been changed, and there's certainly

Re: simplifying running piuparts

2013-05-21 Thread Roger Leigh
ing them, then we can get one or more of the buildds to run puiparts as a standard part of the build, and we can make it fail the build if puiparts fails. This wouldn't be too hard to implement. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people

Re: update-rc.d: Removal of start and stop actions

2013-05-19 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:04:55PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On 19-05-13 17:47, Roger Leigh wrote: > > Hi, > > > > With the release of wheezy, all systems should be using dependency- > > based booting. This makes the provision of static sequence ordering > &g

update-rc.d: Removal of start and stop actions

2013-05-19 Thread Roger Leigh
ause anyone problems--in which case shout now before it's changed! Following this change, I'd like to have debhelper and lintian warn if the obsolete options are used, then we can start to migrate the remaining uses of the old options to just use "defaults" in their maintai

Re: systemd^wfoo on linux, bar on bsd,so what (Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-13 Thread Roger Leigh
her upstart or systemd. > I would rather not be the one who will choose which one of them, so > I hope that we will get to a consensus about this. Neither choice is acceptable, as you are undoubtedly aware. There is no need for udev to be dependent upon a specific init system, other than

[Testing] Mounting /usr in the initramfs

2013-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
copy the filesystem-specific fsck helper from /sbin. If additional files are needed by particular helpers, they might need special-casing. Any comments would be gratefully received. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.or

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-11 Thread Roger Leigh
have to, I'd vote for junking it entirely. -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-10 Thread Roger Leigh
essures influencing their decisions, and they are not all in our interest. How are those udev replacement projects coming along? Something else to think about for jessie. -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroo

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Roger Leigh
I'm not sure whether I really like the idea or not, but from the point of view of having the tools to fix and mount the rootfs (and /usr) there when needed, it may well be useful, so long as we can avoid idiocy such as #701936. We still need the fsck helpers to work for the non-initramfs c

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-09 Thread Roger Leigh
ew days. It also needs a patch to util-linux so it doesn't try to fsck a mounted /usr at boot. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-t

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-08 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 08:08:31AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Roger Leigh: > > > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 03:25:29PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > >> The decision when to make GCC 4.8 the default for other architectures > >> is left to the Debian port maintaine

Re: /export (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
s wrong with it? Is there anything concrete which we should be aware of which can be fixed or improved for jessie? Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/

Re: Merging / and /usr (was: jessie release goals)

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
we do this, I'd prefer to make /usr a symlink to / on new installs, while retaining full backward compatibility for existing users, and requiring zero packaging changes. But the other way would also be possible--it would just be a matter of d-i setting up the links. But none of this is th

Re: Current and upcoming toolchain changes for jessie

2013-05-07 Thread Roger Leigh
rs are not ideal. Can't we make 4.8 the default across the board and add explicit build-deps to packages which break with 4.8, rather than the other way around? Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `&#

Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

2013-05-04 Thread Roger Leigh
are the file paths between the source and binary packages in the first and second builds; comparing the content itself is probably not realistic. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbui

Re: Automatically satisfying Build-Depends from local control file

2013-04-17 Thread Roger Leigh
ld chroot with sbuild-createchroot first. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 14

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-10 Thread Roger Leigh
kes sure that every bit of "extra" generated code is part of the git history. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Pub

Re: upgraded systems won't boot from UUID volumes

2013-04-07 Thread Roger Leigh
have an example system which uses UUIDs /and/ LVM root, however--this does not appear to be the default for LVM. While this is an important issue, the fact that it's not hit by default might be one reason for lowering the severity. The patches look reasonable. Though for scripts/local-top/lvm2

Re: No native packages?

2013-01-28 Thread Roger Leigh
when Debian /is/ the upstream. So changes to the actual package content go into proper "upstream" releases, and you have the option to make as many Debian revisions as necessary. It makes things easier for derivatives and external users. I don't think there's any real differe

Re: screen says "Bad tty" if /dev/console is a symlink

2013-01-27 Thread Roger Leigh
_MAX (where the dynamic allocation is done only for Hurd, rather than across the board). This alone would remove a whole bunch of potential bugs and improve the overall code quality and robustness. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://p

Re: jessie: Mounting /usr in the initramfs

2012-12-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 02:51:27AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Dec 28, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > I've created a wiki page here for this proposed release goal for jessie: > > http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/MountUsrInInitramfs > Please remove the "

jessie: Mounting /usr in the initramfs

2012-12-27 Thread Roger Leigh
NFS/local; if anyone who cares about these cases would like to test them, that would also be appreciated. One missing bit here is not bringing up the network if the root is local and /usr is on NFS. Shouldn't be hard to add, but I lack the ability to implement and test it until after New Year.

Re: Really, about udev, not init sytsems

2012-11-29 Thread Roger Leigh
system is critical. These are just userspace components, not kernel interfaces. Replacing them should be relatively simple. If the new udev fork works, why /wouldn't/ we want to adopt it? It would have a friendlier upstream, it would be buildable without unwanted extra stuff, and it would h

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Roger Leigh
he other two, but there are still tinier, more easily verifiable init systems out there where it's just a screenful of code, and it's provably correct. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `'

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-14 Thread Roger Leigh
liability as a whole... that's much harder to quantify and much less clear cut. After all, if sysvinit is working for you, and starts up all the services correctly, once the system is up, it's up. It will continue to run reliably. Regards, Roger [1] http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/ --

Re: Bug#692264: ITP: double-conversion -- routines to convert IEEE doubles to and from strings

2012-11-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 01:08:18PM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:55:09PM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > >> > >> * Package name: double-conversion > > > > libjs-double-conversion woul

Re: Bug#692264: ITP: double-conversion -- routines to convert IEEE doubles to and from strings

2012-11-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:55:09PM +0100, Sébastien Villemot wrote: > > * Package name: double-conversion libjs-double-conversion would be more appropriate, since this is a javascript library. double-conversion is too generic. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh :

Re: Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-10-07 Thread Roger Leigh
building. sbuild now also has initial support or multiarch cross building. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-10-07 Thread Roger Leigh
ersonal answers to these questions are: no and no.) I think that this is correct (as the default behaviour; it could be configured otherwise). Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild h

Re: assumptions about the build environment.

2012-09-21 Thread Roger Leigh
relying on networking during a build. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 675

Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Leigh
of time back then for doing this (finishing my PhD), it's definitely something I'd like as a release goal for jessie. If the initramfs-tools maintainers won't have time for it, I can certainly look into this further. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :'

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-13 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 07:49:34PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/13/2012 03:44 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > I did start the initial Debian > > packaging work last night though. > > Is this available in a Git somewhere? It's here: http://anonscm.debian.

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-13 Thread Roger Leigh
is quite a long way off--I've not personally booted a Debian system with OpenRC yet. I did start the initial Debian packaging work last night though. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot

Re: choice in core infrastructure decisions (Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism)

2012-08-12 Thread Roger Leigh
7;t get device info from mdev, so needs manual configuration, and you have to use dmsetup to create LVM device nodes. So it's not /yet/ a direct drop-in replacement for udev, but with a bit more work it could be. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-09 Thread Roger Leigh
le, while the systemd developers have an asoundingly bad attitude with respect to this. It would be perfectly possible for systemd to support other platforms if they really wanted to; it probably wouldn't even be that hard. Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' :

Re: Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism that manages the services, startup and shutdown of a host

2012-08-09 Thread Roger Leigh
re point of the exercise is to explore the feasability to port it and evaluate it as an alternative/replacement for sysv-rc; this is almost completely orthogonal to work on systemd/upstart, which will for the most part be unaffected by this. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Leigh
ardlink the binaries, and then replace the dir with a symlink. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Leigh
sible to all users isn't strictly bad, but may cause confusion and just pollutes the namespace for tab completion etc. If you want them in your path, it's trivial to add /sbin to it yourself. I can't see any compelling reason to make them the default. Regards, Roger -- .

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Roger Leigh
g an obsolete tool is IMO entirely justified, particularly when there is a much better and more capable replacement. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/p

Re: tasksel: Default desktop: Gnome→Xfce

2012-08-04 Thread Roger Leigh
ev,relatime,size=161324k) This is only until sysvinit migrates to testing though. We did (regrettably, IMO) change back the default. Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.d

Re: Bug#683486: ITP: barman -- Backup and Recovery Manager for PostgreSQL

2012-08-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 09:56:56AM +0200, Marco Nenciarini wrote: > > * Package name: barman postgresql-barman would make it a bit easier for people to find. Most of the other postgreql packages use the postgresql- namespace. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh :

RFH: NFS support and networking

2012-07-28 Thread Roger Leigh
ttention from an NFS expert. I would be very grateful for anyone who could contribute their time for getting some of the above issues resolved for wheezy. Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and s

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-24 Thread Roger Leigh
st lack of time and testing the consequences prevented this being done already. -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 2

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-23 Thread Roger Leigh
the update-rc.d interface in wheezy+1, maybe we could simply replace it with e.g. update-service and provide a compatibility wrapper. And we should ensure that all init systems provide add/remove/enable/disable actions. The stop|start actions are going to simply defer to the "def

Re: solving the network-manager-in-gnome problem

2012-07-22 Thread Roger Leigh
s is not the general consensus--by default daemons are started if the package is installed. This has been already debated extensively many times over. Irrespective of whether your personal opinion is that this is a good or bad thing, that's just the way it is at present. Regards, Roger -

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 06:39:57PM +0200, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:52:23AM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >>The numbers specified for update-rc.d must be well ordered > >>ac

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-07-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 10:58:09PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 27.06.2012 11:13, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > I'd like to suggest that we do the following in sysv-rc update-rc.d: > > - wheezy: silently drop start|stop sequence numbers and runlevels > > (thi

Re: locking system users on package removal

2012-06-30 Thread Roger Leigh
his case. > > I took this use of usermod from the discussion on debian-devel regarding > Policy bug #621833 (where it was originally suggested by Roger Leigh), > so this potentially affects quite a few packages. > > Stephan's proposed patch (below) makes me think we really

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-29 Thread Roger Leigh
tags 539591 + patch thanks On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:02:33AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:

Re: Improving our response to "duplicate" packages in Debian

2012-06-29 Thread Roger Leigh
nt from what we already have. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alioth.debian.org/projects/buildd-tools `-GPG Public Key F33D 281D 470A B443 6756 147C 07B3 C8BC 4083 E800 -- T

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 08:02:33AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 04:39:38PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > On 06/27/2012 03:46 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2012, Paul Wis

Re: Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:44:53AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > This means that the runlevels and sequence numbers passed as > > arguments to update-rc.d will never be used; they will just get > > silently discarded. The main problem a

Re: [Pkg-sysvinit-devel] Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Roger Leigh
tion of runscript wrappers for LSB scripts. Ideally, I'd like for OpenRC to gain a high level dependency graph view of the system, but it doesn't look like this is a design that would be particularly popular with OpenRC upstream. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :&#

Future of update-rc.d in wheezy+1

2012-06-27 Thread Roger Leigh
helpful to know what's possible here. Could it use insserv to do the dependency graph and then just consume the makefile-style dependency list? Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and s

Re: Dependency-based boot ordering and sysvinit in unstable

2012-06-27 Thread Roger Leigh
severity 678231 serious severity 676473 serious forgemerge 676463 678231 676473 tags 676463 + pending thanks On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 09:31:47PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Hi, > > If you're using unstable and you're using static boot ordering with > sysv-rc, you might

Re: File naming of scripts in /etc/init.d

2012-06-25 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 03:59:30PM +0200, Steve R. Petruzzello wrote: > Le 25-06-2012, à 14:47:58 +0100, Roger Leigh (rle...@codelibre.net) a écrit : > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 01:51:36PM +0200, Steve R. Petruzzello wrote: > > > I noticed that some scripts in /etc/init.d

Re: File naming of scripts in /etc/init.d

2012-06-25 Thread Roger Leigh
names are used in the inter-script dependencies), renaming them is do-able, but not something we should be doing this close to the freeze. > PS: Is there a way to list all packages putting a file in /etc/init.d/? dpkg -S $(ls -1 /etc/init.d/*) Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :&#

Re: The future (or non-future) of ia32-libs

2012-06-22 Thread Roger Leigh
pgrade of the whole distribution, or any particular package. i.e. handling any work which the package maintainer scripts can't safely or sensibly handle. Doesn't the Ubuntu updater tool do something like this already when it does a full upgrade between releases? Regards, Roger -- .&#

Re: Bug#677474: Substvars for Build-Depends in the .dsc file

2012-06-18 Thread Roger Leigh
s that Build-Depends can be restricted to the common subset needed for packing sources but not those needed for arch-all or arch-any building. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://

Dependency-based boot ordering and sysvinit in unstable

2012-06-07 Thread Roger Leigh
ity. The only exception is perhaps file-rc, and this should probably be using insserv to order the scripts even if it doesn't use startpar to run them in parallel, so that it can use LSB dependency ordering as well. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian

Incorrect use of /run

2012-06-07 Thread Roger Leigh
ge. This requirement will be relaxed in wheezy+1, where /run will exist at all times. But until then, you need to follow the instructions in the reference above. Thanks, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `&

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-06-01 Thread Roger Leigh
17 4.26 15 1.16 16.85 5.30 16 1.15 19.47 4.81 17 1.15 19.39 4.90 18 1.16 16.27 6.77 19 1.15 12.56 4.06 20 1.15 17.56 5.03 > sapply(tar, mean) tmpfsext4 btrfs 1.1555 17.6130 5.1205 > sapply(tar, semean) tmpfsext4 btrfs 0.001352386 0.405560755 0.202

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-06-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:22:24AM +0300, Serge wrote: > > I've read across different debates about whether using tmpfs is good or bad > > but I could not find the most important reason, so here it is... > &

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-06-01 Thread Roger Leigh
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 01:21:43PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/28/2012 05:32 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:46:27PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> On 05/25/2012 07:44 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > >>> However, the majority of > >&

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-27 Thread Roger Leigh
se that instead. /run/user is AFAICT not for user data, it's for session metadata for user services such as pidfiles, sockets and state. i.e. the user equivalent of /var/run. Its size should be only a few KiB at most. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : De

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-27 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:46:27PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/25/2012 07:44 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > > However, the majority of > > software which finds the tmpfs too small has unreasonable expectations > > of what can be expected to be available (by default). >

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-27 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 04:39:34PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Roger Leigh wrote: > > I did want to have this for wheezy (#633299). But I lacked the time > > and familiarity with the d-i code, and the d-i developers also have > > higher priorities. > > Personally, th

Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs makes it useless

2012-05-25 Thread Roger Leigh
opers also have higher priorities. I'm sure support for tmpfs in the partitioner would be welcome if you want to add this functionality. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' schroot and sbuild http://alio

Re: why do people introduce stup^Wstrange changes to quilt 3.0 format

2012-05-18 Thread Roger Leigh
debian/control (in case the developer is using a private or git+ssh repo), the end user should be able to do a simple "git fetch origin" to restore the full history. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `

Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts

2012-05-16 Thread Roger Leigh
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:38:14PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Roger Leigh writes: > > > With the above approach, the only hard question is how to set the > > ownership during the package build. fakeroot handles this just fine, > > but it does require the use

Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts

2012-05-12 Thread Roger Leigh
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:10:13AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 22:47:22 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 03:55:24PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > > > One option would be to make dpkg-deb use an internal tar implementation, &g

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