Re: Do _not_ file massbugs without consulting debian-devel (Re: Bug#277210: package description typo(s) and the like)

2004-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
tion: why "Eterm" and "Bash" but not "Rxvt"? Why "Themes" in the middle of the sentence? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: First spam

2004-10-10 Thread Steve Greenland
gra, home loans, online medicine, etc :) People (aka scum) who harvest addresses only care about a numbers, not "target markets". Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Package name for GNOME panel applets

2004-10-08 Thread Steve Greenland
ases where the applet > name contains "gnome" or "applet" it can be re-arranged. g-f-a is fine for new stuff, but please *don't* rename existing packages, it just causes upgrade problems, and/or more dummy packages. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill

Re: RFC: best practice creating database

2004-10-08 Thread Steve Greenland
arguments that must be passed on the command line, or info that might be prompted for. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Installed-Size and block size

2004-10-06 Thread Steve Greenland
;t think I ever wrote the final control file by hand. dpgk-gencontrol != debhelper Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Re: ITP: cddb.bundle -- CDDB Bundle for GNUstep

2004-10-06 Thread Steve Greenland
quot;." in it's name GNUstep. If we are going to allow generic names, then obviously they would be applied to the most commonly used or "best for the novice" example, so I'm pretty sure that GNUstep apps aren't going to get them. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony

Bug#223772: general: no md5sums for many packages (e.g. bc)

2003-12-18 Thread Steve Greenland
hat including per-file md5sums in packages provides any real value. Others disagree, as sometimes happens. As the arguments have already been made in this thread, over and over and over and over, I won't repeat them. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a

Re: mounting tmpfs (and sysfs) defaultly in sarge?

2003-12-14 Thread Steve Greenland
c right now. There's no intent for /proc to go away. The point of sysfs is to remove all (or at least most) the non-process related info from /proc (which had become a dumping ground). Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system a

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Dec-03, 05:54 (CST), Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > As for me, I'm happy to provide either my current menu files, which are > > supported by all of the DE/WM systems in Debian, *or* .desktop file

Re: Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
d to the menu package, in such a way that it automatically creates/updates/removes the appropriate /usr/lib/menu/ entries when a package is installed/upgraded/removed. Then the existing menu methods for all the other WMs would continue to work. Most of us (I think) don't object to using the

Re: Debian packages and freedesktop.org (Gnome, KDE, etc) menu entries

2003-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
ed by all (or at least most) the DE/WM systems in Debian. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: libc6 bug? or C programming error?

2003-12-02 Thread Steve Greenland
assuming you're looking for the end of a NUL terminated string, the expression you are looking for is "*curpos != '\0'". But I'm guessing the problem is that "sprintf(buf,...)" call. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Source only uploads? -- Survey evaluation

2003-12-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Dec-03, 08:26 (CST), Roland Stigge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unfortunately, there wasn't much response to this. Maybe this is related > to the big Debian KO. Or maybe because making technical decisions by voting is silly. Steve -- Steve Greenland The iron

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Nov-03, 09:13 (CST), Cameron Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 08:49:03AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > | As a long-time C coder, I agreed with you. But after doing a small > | python project, I was surprised at how quickly it became natural. It &

Re: Programming first steps.

2003-11-17 Thread Steve Greenland
ithout the existence of Python. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Anyone know anything about 3dwm?

2003-11-15 Thread Steve Greenland
often don't have much space for the long description, and having to scroll every time to skip past the summary is mildly annoying. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-11 Thread Steve Greenland
made a big deal about how you were following the "de-facto standards" of Debian. It's amazing how much intellectual dishonesty one person can demonstrate in so little space. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Bug#219582: ITP: linux -- Linux 2.4 kernel

2003-11-10 Thread Steve Greenland
you > can help me improve my package. Oh, that's a hoot, since you've been ignoring or belittling every one who has been trying to improve it. > Of course it does. Tell me what is inconsistent in my list of > advantages. (And please, don't repeat the same arguments over again

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Nov-03, 13:47 (CST), Keegan Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:14:31PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > Surely these won't all show up in the same Packages file...if you're > > running GNU/KFreeBSD, it will be a FreeBSD kernel, rig

Re: kernel package names (was Re: Package libc6-dev depends on linux-kernel-headers)

2003-11-06 Thread Steve Greenland
become > more popular, is there a potential for confusion in the future? Surely these won't all show up in the same Packages file...if you're running GNU/KFreeBSD, it will be a FreeBSD kernel, right? Why would the Linux and Hurd kernels even be in the list? Steve -- Steve Greenland

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-04 Thread Steve Greenland
el. If there's such a huge fscking demand for it, why isn't it out there? And yes, I'm going to continue to object everytime someone makes stupid statements like "Woody is so old it's useless". That's just noise, unless you add "... for purposes a, b, and c

Re: A case study of a new user turned off debian

2003-11-03 Thread Steve Greenland
/Mozilla (thanks, Adrian). But that's it. Steve [1] Not on their work machine, at least. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Grsec/PaX and Exec-shield

2003-11-03 Thread Steve Greenland
jump in here and tell the peole doing the work what to do, especially when all you have to contribute is weirdo conspiracy theories and not-very-sly personal insinuations. Steve, who hasn't see this kind of nuttiness since reading the mplayer mailling lists/flame wars. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-21 Thread Steve Greenland
e original documentation did not explicitely > say that all rules files absolutely need to be makefiles, but we warped it > to mean that later. Oh, please. It may not have been explicitly documented, but it was sure as hell intended to be a Makefile. The "warpage" merely documented the exist

Re: ttf Depends ??

2003-10-20 Thread Steve Greenland
> Should I add a best guess font package or is there a kind of meta > > package available for ttf packages? > > What font does the program use by default? I would Depend on that one. If it's an X program, then it shouldn't Depend on any font, as they may be on another serv

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Oct-03, 13:03 (CDT), Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:50:41AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > But it's a historic injustice, > > > > Help! Help! I'm being repressed! > > The Man is keeping me down! >

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Oct-03, 04:20 (CDT), Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But it's a historic injustice, Help! Help! I'm being repressed! The Man is keeping me down! Up with perl, down with make! Power to the people! Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-17 Thread Steve Greenland
hy we don't allow anything that meets the expected interface. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-17 Thread Steve Greenland
build: jam # Or whatever command line you would normally build netpanzer with Or are you thinking the the debian/rules file needs to be a Jamfile? Don't do that. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Li

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Greenland
ted our opinions, this consistent response should be enough to make you reconsider. If you were expecting a universal "Oh, that evil James Troup, he's a power mad dictator" response, well, sorry, that's a different thread, and a different topic. Steve -- Steve Greenland The i

Re: search-citeseer_0.1-1_i386.changes REJECTED

2003-10-16 Thread Steve Greenland
this in > Debian Policy and then I'll agree without asking but this is not the > case. Not every good practice is in Policy. You're supposed to be able to apply a little common sense as well. The objection is not to a small package but pointless splitting of packages. Stev

Re: [debian-devel] Re: which policy checker?

2003-10-14 Thread Steve Greenland
On 14-Oct-03, 07:00 (CDT), Magos?nyi ?rp?d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which road will you take to make linda fall into testing? Why do you need it in testing? The whole point of it is to run against packages you are building, and you should be building in unstable. Steve -- Steve

Re: Hardcoding of .la file paths in .la files

2003-10-14 Thread Steve Greenland
ally linked, and will build the link command by hand. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: testing packages at build

2003-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 09-Oct-03, 14:48 (CDT), Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GCC may, in fact, be more likely to have optimization bugs than, say, > the old DEC Fortran compiler. Looking at the other replies, I see this turns out to be the case, esp. on non-x86. So apparently it falls in

Re: testing packages at build

2003-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 09-Oct-03, 13:00 (CDT), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:24:43AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > No. While they certainly do exist, >99% of the time, if code works at > > -O0 but not at -O2, then the code is broken. >

Re: testing packages at build

2003-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
c optimization operations that require certain assumptions about the code above and beyond "correct", but none of those are enable by a simple -O2.) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims

Re: minimal documentation or usefulness of new package -- teleport?

2003-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
nting on debian-devel. But this is exactly the correct answer. Problems with individual packages are exactly that. If you want a problem fixed, file a bug. If the solution to the problem needs to be discussed in a wider venue, then it will be. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bi

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Oct-03, 10:49 (CDT), Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland wrote: > > > You might consider including a default filter so that the only > > candidates for automatic removal begin with 'lib' and don't end with > > '-dev&

Re: Annoyances of aptitude (Was: Where are we now?) (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-03 Thread Steve Greenland
nd (which I don't think is likely; > I already thought for a while about this before changing the default to > be "on") You might consider including a default filter so that the only candidates for automatic removal begin with 'lib' and don't end with '-d

Re: Re: Where are we now? (Was: Bits from the RM)

2003-10-02 Thread Steve Greenland
kage installation tool a new user sees (although the aptitude task view is not bad) (Sorry, Daniel!) Aptitude is nice power tool for dealing with 6000+ packages (or whatever it is now), but newbies shouldn't ever see that - by default, I mean. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Debian RC System/Init Scripts

2003-09-26 Thread Steve Greenland
lusion of lines such as DESC, NAME, etc in the > scripts would help me... Am I the only one who sees the disconnect between these two statements? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Debian should not modify the kernels!

2003-09-25 Thread Steve Greenland
but there's a significant difference between including bug fixes and de-facto required architecture-specific updates and including a completely new subsystem backported from 2.5 yet calling it 2.4. For $DIETY's sake, we keep ALSA as a separate patch/module, why is putting in IPSEC justified? Steve

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-08 Thread Steve Greenland
to cause problems when $var was undefined. So we learned to do [ "X$var" = "Xfoo" ] which leads to using '[ "X$foo" = "X" ]' to test for empty. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-07 Thread Steve Greenland
ng with the Satanic automake and the unspeakably foul libtool. (Actually, vixie-cron probably pre-dates autoconf, but my point is still valid: --prefix is NOT generically used in debian/rules.) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating

Re: Bug in cron postinst

2003-09-03 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Sep-03, 23:50 (CDT), Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Steve Greenland ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > Yes, obvious in retrospect, and I'll put the brown paper bag on my head > > after I upload the fix. > > Will the fix include the switc

Re: Bug in cron postinst

2003-09-03 Thread Steve Greenland
name. Someone else mentioned usernames with spaces...is that really supported? Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Bug in cron postinst

2003-09-02 Thread Steve Greenland
in * ; do chown $ct:crontab $ct done Then run 'dpkg --configure --pending'. Yes, obvious in retrospect, and I'll put the brown paper bag on my head after I upload the fix. Steve - Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating

Re: setgid crontab

2003-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Aug-03, 17:11 (CDT), Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd hoped to get the suggestions here and Solar Designer's work > incorporated tested, and uploaded before I left on a 2 week vacation, > but I'm not going to get it done. But it *is* in progess,

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Aug-03, 09:18 (CDT), Jesus Climent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:01:51AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > > Depends: ssmtp | mail-transport-agent > > > > That way, if you don't have an MTA already, it will select a simpl

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Steve Greenland
get mail to a real MTA" package, whose configuration will ask "where's your real MTA?" Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-05 Thread Steve Greenland
to have many of those > in the free software community. Now *that* is a true statement. Steve [1] The existing variations are painful enough. Let's not add to the problem [2] Yes, I know that's probably not the actual VMS command. It's been a while, and I don't have manual h

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-04 Thread Steve Greenland
not be installable. I hardly see this as a violation of the Social Contract. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: setgid crontab

2003-08-03 Thread Steve Greenland
d crontab, or a wicked definition for "EDITOR". Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: setgid crontab

2003-08-03 Thread Steve Greenland
Crontab and cron check the file with the same functions. It will fail to load once, and since cron only reads files that have been updated, it won't endlessly try to reload it once a minute. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operati

Re: setgid crontab

2003-08-03 Thread Steve Greenland
system allows users to give away their files (as with the recent XFS bug), > and gid cron becomes equivalent to root again. Nor do they do any good if root's password is empty. Not cron's problem. (Insert standard homily about security and the chain's weakest link.) Steve -- Stev

Re: time(1): Return value and sys/wait.h macros

2003-08-02 Thread Steve Greenland
ignal. If the program exited normally, the return value of .B time is the return value of the program. Othewise, the return value is the number of the signal which caused the program to stop or terminate. ...Or some such. Sending people off to wait(2) is a bit much. -- Steve Greenland The iron

Re: setgid crontab

2003-08-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Aug-03, 17:00 (CDT), Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:51, Steve Greenland wrote: > Sounds good to me. You are not the first person to do it however, I believe > that Solar Designer did the same thing for OpenWall (of course when Solar >

Re: setgid crontab

2003-08-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Aug-03, 16:25 (CDT), Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 03:53:00PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > To ship the setgid program, I need to have the group 'cron' on the > > build system. > > i think this is covered by

Re: setgid crontab

2003-08-02 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Aug-03, 14:51 (CDT), Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beyond the coding (which is mostly removing setuid() > calls), this involves the following changes: To ship the setgid program, I need to have the group 'cron' on the build system. Not a problem for me,

setgid crontab

2003-08-02 Thread Steve Greenland
rectly in the spool directory. Since one could all that with the crontab command anyway, it doesn't seem a big deal. Comments, suggestions? -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-25 Thread Steve Greenland
(Sorry for the dup, Dwayne, meant to send this to the list.) On 24-Jul-03, 17:56 (CDT), "Dwayne C. Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:50:05PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > Please don't. Is there *any* reason why defaulting &

Re: proposal: per-user temporary directories on by default?

2003-07-24 Thread Steve Greenland
se-config. Please don't. Is there *any* reason why defaulting TMPDIR=/tmp/ is inferior to TMPDIR=/tmp? If not, just do it, don't bother people with unnecesary questions. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Steve Greenland
fending > them by telling that nobody cares about using its hardware at his > full capacity (in fact, at least at 50% of it's capacity) seems just > wrong. I didn't say that nobody cared, what I said (or at least meant to imply) was that a great many of us *don't* care abo

Re: default MTA for sarge

2003-07-13 Thread Steve Greenland
detect and correct all the different ways one can screw up an MTA configuration. Such is life. So if I get a vote, I'd strongly urge the 'local-delivery-only' default on new installs, without going through the exim configuration, but just a note pointing the admin at dpkg-recon

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-11 Thread Steve Greenland
ginning of the freeze, mark all the WNPP packages for removal (along with their dependencies :-)), and then see if we can inspire some reaction. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to b

Re: Do not touch l10n files

2003-05-19 Thread Steve Greenland
t the advantages of gettext(). Of course, you don't get the full advantages of VMS system then, but you won't anyway on a Unix system. Steve If > -- > Steve Langasek > postmodern programmer -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stabl

Re: Depends/Conflicts question

2003-05-17 Thread Steve Greenland
file from what was shipped in -73, I get a bogus changed conffile message during the install (well, not really bogus, because dpkg can't know that it isn't just some random file on the system, but annoying.) Am I just going to have to handle all of this in the maintainer scripts? How tedi

Re: Testing the voting scripts

2003-05-17 Thread Steve Greenland
supposed to be 1<=X<=10, or is the voting software unreasonably limited? (I'm guessing the former, and voting accordingly...) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Backporting a package from unstable to stable

2003-04-30 Thread Steve Greenland
y). Instead of backporting these core tools again, there's Adrian Bunk's woody backport site; see http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/ for info. And thanks, Adrian! Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torval

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-28 Thread Steve Greenland
ly too specialized (heh). Alternatively, if people decide that "field of use" is a legitimate category for tags, then "specialized" is probably not the correct term; at least that's not what comes to my mind. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claim

Re: Non-debian running DD's (Was: Re: stop abusing debconf already)

2003-04-25 Thread Steve Greenland
; OS for that architecture. > And when did MacOS > become the native OS on PPC? By my above argument, the native OS for PPC is AIX. :-) Steve [1] Yes, I know about (and used) the UCSD P-System, but it wasn't shipped with the IBM PC. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-24 Thread Steve Greenland
your cursor blink blue or green" is a high-priority question. I look forward to that day. Regards, Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-21 Thread Steve Greenland
, it's not quite as bad as the Windows version, because it doesn't corrupt itself when looked at sideways, since it was written by competent people. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-21 Thread Steve Greenland
idea, because the common implementation is to NOT include the same information under /usr/share/doc/, and thus those of us who have low and medium priority turned off lose that info. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system

Re: stop abusing debconf already

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Greenland
; questions from medium to low. Huh? If all the questions it asks can be converted to priority low, then that means there are reasonable defaults, and therefore IT SHOULDN'T BE USING DEBCONF AT ALL. How hard is this? What is so unclear about Policy on this topic? Steve -- Steve Greenland

Re: stop the "manage with debconf" madness

2003-04-19 Thread Steve Greenland
expression of assent. But only if that assent is obtained each and every time, not by checking what the admin answered 8 months ago on the original install. And the whole thing is better handled using conffiles, where I can diff and merge the changes, when it's convenient for me, rather than

Re: stop the "manage with debconf" madness

2003-04-18 Thread Steve Greenland
dmin is deliberately asking for it. Steve, extremely disappointed about how chatty package installation has become. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: PostgreSQL admin tools (Was: Upcoming removal of orphaned packages)

2003-04-18 Thread Steve Greenland
> > echo $? > 1 > > I assume it is meant to do more then just emulate the false > command? ;-) It's a (reported) bug in the libpgtcl package: /usr/lib/libtclpg.so is linked to ../postgresql/lib/libtclpg.so instead of postgresql/lib/libtclpg.so. Fix the

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-08 Thread Steve Greenland
gnoring special cases like dpkg-grep-available, or whatever it's called. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: [console-data] upgrade problem in preconfigure

2002-12-06 Thread Steve Greenland
c to get out)" part of Arnaud's message? Because you can't just hang an installation run because you're having to guess a default. (I don't think you are, actually, because I've seen the barrage of keymap messages before, but never had a problem with it hanging.)

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-06 Thread Steve Greenland
of. :-) Nah, programmers know that whitespace (>1) is syntactically irrelevant, and will *never* get it right! :-) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-05 Thread Steve Greenland
d need to strip out the extra space and do it correctly. (Actually, IMO, it looks fairly dreadful in fixed width fonts, too). (Of course, if this is the worst problem we have with Debian package descriptions, I say flip a coin and forget about it.) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is tha

Re: update alternatives priorities

2002-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
rnative and agree on the relative priorities each will use. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
ckage display programs (aptitude, apt-cache show) will not bother to attempt to figure out which periods end a sentence, and thus "need" extra spacing. OTOH a lot of people (IMO) would argue that the fixed-width two-space end of sentence is sufficiently ugly that we're better off witho

Re: description writing guide

2002-12-04 Thread Steve Greenland
ust point to the guide when a poor ITP description shows up. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: debconf template translations from ddtp

2002-11-27 Thread Steve Greenland
tachements now, right?) Steve (another one) -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: dpkg should prompt re missing conffiles [was Re: When bind9 reinstalls, no db.root]

2002-08-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Aug-02, 09:48 (CDT), Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Thu, 2002-08-22 at 21:40, Steve Greenland wrote: > > While I'll grant you that "dangerous" is probably not the correct > > adjective, the current behaviour is correct. Debian policy is that > > packages d

Re: When bind9 reinstalls, no db.root

2002-08-22 Thread Steve Greenland
eplace/diff/keep a modified conffile, why dont they apply > to missing conffiles, too? Because you only get that question if the distributed version of the conffile is changed also. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linu

Re: When bind9 reinstalls, no db.root

2002-08-22 Thread Steve Greenland
witch would be helpful if available in apt-get. apt-get --option Dpkg::Options=--force-confmiss Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: When bind9 reinstalls, no db.root

2002-08-21 Thread Steve Greenland
p a cron.allow, but the point is there: A missing cron.allow permits everybody to use crontab, while an empty cron.allow forbids use of crontab by anybody (except root, of course). Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus

Re: When bind9 reinstalls, no db.root

2002-08-21 Thread Steve Greenland
quot;. Steve [1] E.g. /etc/cron.allow (crontab(1)). -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Bug#156407: ITP: free-java-sdk -- Complete Java SDK environment consising of free Java tools

2002-08-12 Thread Steve Greenland
d here. Just for the hell of it, I'll claim that making all the dependencies in jdk-free virtual is a violation of the Social Contract, as it puts an undue burden on the users. That seems to settle most discussions. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be makin

Re: Bug#156407: ITP: free-java-sdk -- Complete Java SDK environment consising of free Java tools

2002-08-12 Thread Steve Greenland
h work well together. If the package choices don't suit you, then don't install it. Isn't that easy? I don't use xdm, and prefer rxvt to xterm, but I don't try to tell Branden what packages to put in the x-window-system package. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is t

Re: problem with debconf and start-stop-daemon

2002-01-11 Thread Steve Greenland
On 11-Jan-02, 08:45 (CST), "Stefan Hornburg (Racke)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, but it is really a bug that should be filed. The daemon will > be killed by SAK otherwise (look at #92277 for further enlightenment). You can't, in general, close *all* open file descriptors. OPEN_MAX may not

Re: no space left on device: LVM, Gnus --> dpkg, apt-get ?

2002-01-08 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Jan-02, 01:51 (CST), Egon Willighagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now, I am facing the following problem (after making more space): > > - how can i determine which packages were updated yesterday? > - how can i (semi)-automatically reinstall these packages? I see that it turned out tha

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Jan-02, 04:55 (CST), Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You need to do this in a portable way so that it works on every system... No, the people who want modern code to run on their systems need to figure out how to support the standard. Why should every piece of code contain the w

Re: VIM features

2002-01-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Jan-02, 18:06 (CST), Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, vim is higher precedence than nvi. Ack. That's no longer true. Sorry. Steve

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-05 Thread Steve Greenland
o with my time than make ugly code to support systems that haven't been upgraded for over a decade. Steve -- Steve Greenland

Re: at least 260 packages broken on arm, powerpc and s390 due to wrong assumption on char signedness

2002-01-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Dec-01, 19:42 (CST), Ganesan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another thing that puzzles me since this whole debate started. If you look > at the declaration of ctype.h functions (isalpha family), they take a int as > an argument. The reason the argument for these is int is a relic of the dar

Re: VIM features

2002-01-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-Jan-02, 17:22 (CST), Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Caleb Shay wrote: > > > However, as was pointed out below, vim is NOT the > > default vi when you install, > > Only true if you install nvi (or some other higher-precedence vi clone), > which isn't required. (g)vim is the only

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