Re: t64 suffix

2024-05-23 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-05-23 18:22 +, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Mathieu (2024.05.23_18:14:20_+) >> What is expected from Debian packager now ? >> >> 1. Remove the t64 suffix upon next version upload ? > > You can remove it at the next SONAME transition (ABI bump) > >> 2. Keep the package-name-doesnt-mat

Re: Command /usr/bin/mv wrong message in German

2024-03-31 Thread Sven Joachim
Am 31.03.2024 um 19:44 schrieb Hans: > Hi folks, > > as I could not find, which package /usr/bin/mv is belonging to and > apt-file search /usr/bin/mv did not help either, I just in form you here. Problems with German translations are best reported to debian-l10n-ger...@lists.debian.org. > There

Re: Validating tarballs against git repositories

2024-03-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-03-30 12:19 +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Gioele Barabucci writes: > >> Just as an example, bootstrapping coreutils currently requires >> bootstrapping at least 68 other packages, including libx11-6 [1]. If >> coreutils supported [2], the transitive closure of its >> Build-Depends woul

Re: Some t64 libraries already in testing; I'm confused

2024-03-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-03-31 06:54 +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On 2024-03-30 Julian Gilbey wrote: >> My very limited understanding of this major transition was that the >> t64 libraries are being held in unstable until (almost) everything is >> ready, at which point there will be a coordinated migration int

Re: dpkg --verify not helpful?

2024-03-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-03-02 08:47 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2024-03-02 08:01 +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > >> iirc it was recently proposed to add a suggestion to run dpkg --verify >> to the trixie upgrade notes to find missing files due to the usr-merge >> transition. (Cannot

Re: dpkg --verify not helpful?

2024-03-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2024-03-02 08:01 +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > iirc it was recently proposed to add a suggestion to run dpkg --verify > to the trixie upgrade notes to find missing files due to the usr-merge > transition. (Cannot find the reference right now). > > However I just had file loss (due to libuuid

Re: libncurses5 removal from Debian

2023-10-26 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-10-26 00:29 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 25.10.23 um 22:42 schrieb Alexander Koskovich: >> Hello, >> The removal of libncurses5 has led to not being able to compile the >> Android Open Source Platform. There is a dependency on this package >> in Clang prebuilts to compile the Renderscr

Re: /usr-merge and DEP17 update: what happens next and how you can help

2023-10-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-10-09 14:10 +0200, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > For libvirt, the upstream build system actually installs systemd > units under /usr/lib, and we move things around in debian/rules so > that they end up under /lib in the Debian package: > > SRV_MONOLITHIC = libvirt-guests virtlogd virtlockd \

Re: Proposed MBF: Removal of libfreetype6-dev (causing FTBFS)

2023-08-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-08-19 10:03 +0200, Diederik de Haas wrote: > [please CC me as I'm not subscribed to debian-devel] > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 21:45:13 +1000, Hugh McMaster wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 00:07, Simon McVittie wrote: >> > On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 at 22:38:20 +1000, Hugh McMaster wrote: >> > > C

Bug#1043507: ITP: wtmpdb -- Year 2038 safe wtmp implementation

2023-08-12 Thread Sven Joachim
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sven Joachim X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: wtmpdb Version : 0.8.0 Upstream Contact: Thorsten Kukuk * URL : https://github.com/thkukuk/wtmpdb * License : BSD 2-Clause Programming Lang: C

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-08-09 22:10 +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote: > it has been a long time since I've analyzed this so things might've changed > indeed since then. But what I remember is that, depending on the source > package, running sbuild with --source would produce a different source packag

Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row

2023-08-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-08-05 19:31 +0100, Wookey wrote: > On 2023-08-05 17:06 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> >> I wonder what we should do, because 5000+ failing packages is a lot... >> >> Should we give up on requiring a 'clean' target that works? After all, >> when 17% of packages are failing, it means that m

Re: Proposed MBF: Removal of libfreetype6-dev

2023-07-16 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-07-16 22:38 +1000, Hugh McMaster wrote: > I will be removing the transitional package libfreetype6-dev (from the > source package freetype) later this year. > > Currently, there are 219 build-dependencies and 29 (direct) > dependencies on libfreetype6-dev, which has been released with > bu

Re: Proposed MBF - removal of pcre3 by Bookworm

2023-06-29 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-06-29 20:55 +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote: > On 13/11/2021 11:41, Matthew Vernon wrote: > >> TL;DR> pcre3 is obsolete and upstream don't want to fix it any >> more. I propose a MBF to track our progress in getting rid of it for >> Bookworm > > Bookworm is now out; I will shortly be increasin

Re: Bug#1025964: libncurses5: Drop libtinfo5, libncurses5, libncursesw5

2023-06-24 Thread Sven Joachim
Control: severity -1 wishlist Control: tags -1 + moreinfo I was asked to remove the libtinfo5, libncurses5 and libncursesw5 packages and am looking for feedback. On 2022-12-12 16:44 +0100, Bastian Germann wrote: > Package: libncurses5 > Version: 6.3+20220423-2 > Severity: minor > > With bullseye

Re: proposal: dhcpcd-base as standard DHCP client starting with Trixie

2023-06-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-06-19 21:37 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 at 21:42:08 +0300, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: >> I've never had to do this before, so I wonder if moving packages to >> severity: standard or higher (in this case, important) requires any >> decision from the CTTE or a similar a

Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems

2023-06-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-06-10 10:39 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hi Sven, > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 08:35:44AM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> > Unfortunately, any >> > external package that still ships stuff in /bin breaks this. In effect, >> > any addon repository

Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems

2023-06-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-06-10 08:35 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > Am 10.06.2023 um 07:35 schrieb Helmut Grohne: > >> One of the approaches to making bootstrapping work was adding the >> symlinks to some data.tar. That has been category 2 from my earlier >> mail. We definitely cannot add /b

Re: booststrapping /usr-merged systems

2023-06-09 Thread Sven Joachim
Am 10.06.2023 um 07:35 schrieb Helmut Grohne: > One of the approaches to making bootstrapping work was adding the > symlinks to some data.tar. That has been category 2 from my earlier > mail. We definitely cannot add /bin as a directory to one package and > /bin as a symlink to another (unless usi

Re: DEP 17: Improve support for directory aliasing in dpkg

2023-04-26 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-04-26 10:34 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 at 10:11, Simon Richter wrote: >> >> What I'm mostly concerned about (read: have not verified either way) >> with /lib/ld.so and /bin/sh is what happens when dpkg learns of /bin and >> /lib as symlinks -- because right now, the

Re: -ffile-prefix-map option and reproducibility

2023-02-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-02-07 17:50 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Tue, 2023-02-07 at 16:41:47 +0100, Stéphane Glondu wrote: >> When building packages, a -ffile-prefix-map option is automatically injected >> into CFLAGS. Where does it come from? Since when? > > This is coming from dpkg-buildflags (in this case

Bug#1030189: Let regular users know need to put non-free-firmware in sources.list

2023-02-01 Thread Sven Joachim
Control: reassign -1 release-notes On 2023-02-01 08:30 +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote: > Package: general > > The average user will not notice his firmware is not updating any more. Unless they pay close attention to apt(itude)'s messages, that is probably true. > So he must do Google Search. > http

Re: transition to usrmerge to start around 2022-09-15 (next Thursday)

2022-09-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2022-09-10 15:37 +0200, Ansgar wrote: > the transition to usrmerge as described in [1] is planned to start > around 2022-09-15 (next Thursday). > > init-system-helpers 1.65~exp1 in experimental adds the new dependency on > "usrmerge | usr-is-merged" and will be uploaded to unstable to start the

Re: buildds: Using LD_PRELOAD & LD_LIBRARY_PATH

2021-12-06 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2021-12-06 08:50 +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I am staring at: > > * https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1001136 > > One can verify that sh4 build went fine for this upload: > > * > https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=openvdb&arch=sh4&ver=9.0.0-3&stamp=1638662998&

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

2021-11-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2021-11-19 15:37 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 19.11.21 11:58, Philip Hands wrote: >> Ansgar writes: >> * doing this will, in a non-negligible number of cases, trigger the bug to manifest on systems where that package is upgraded from a version where the move had not taken pl

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2021-01-12 16:36 +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 02:48:22PM +, Dan Pal wrote: >> Hello Debian Developers, > > Hello World, > > >> I am writing to you from my Debian-Buster 10.6 laptop – that used >> to be a Windows 10 laptop. I would not be using Debian at all excep

Re: Library won't link

2020-11-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-11-22 11:29 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > For the past year, I've been (on and off) working with ola upstream on > getting new-gcc (first 9, then 10) and python3 issues resolved, so that > I would be able to get it into bullseye again. We're almost there, > except for one thing that myst

Re: Allowed to build-depend a pkg in main on a pkg in non-free?

2020-09-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-09-30 19:31 +0200, Roland Fehrenbacher wrote: > Hi, > > a quick question to the list, since I didn't find an answer after a > significant time of searching: > > Is it allowed to have a source package with a build dependency on a pkg in > non-free (in this particular case nvidia-cuda-toolki

Re: possible MMBF regarding Depends: locales without | locales-all?

2020-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-05-10 11:17 +0200, Ralf Treinen wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 06:57:31AM +, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > >> Unless I deeply misunderstand how locales work in Debian, >> I believe that any dependency on the ‘locales’ package is ought >> to be satisfied with locales

Re: Lintian is complaining about udebs?

2020-03-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-03-21 00:39 -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > Just checking --- this looks like a Really Bad regression in Lintian > 2.57.0, correct? Seems so, I can can confirm it with Lintian 2.58.0. > E: e2fsprogs-udeb udeb: debian-changelog-file-missing > E: e2fsprogs buildinfo: field-too-long Instal

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-03-18 08:18 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:50:01PM +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote: >>I'd disagree. vi is very newbie unfriendly. OTOH I expect people that >>know how to navigate vi to be able to `apt install vi` without any problem. >>*t > > My initial feeling was

Re: spammer closing bug report

2020-03-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-03-02 20:24 +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > On 02.03.20 18:06, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2020-03-02 17:20 +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote: >> >>> I just got a mail from the BTS, that this spam mail [1] has closed the >>> bug report. I can't spot why that

Re: spammer closing bug report

2020-03-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-03-02 17:20 +0100, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > I just got a mail from the BTS, that this spam mail [1] has closed the > bug report. I can't spot why that spam mail would close the report. Can you? Without even looking at the bug in question: because it had been closed (and reopened) before, a

Re: Is there still a point in installing libgcrypt to /lib instead of /usr/lib

2020-02-15 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-02-15 18:29 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sat, 2020-02-15 at 18:31 +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: >> Hello, >> >> afaict we are moving to a usrmerge setup, i.e. with /lib just a >> symlink to /usr/lib. So shouldn't packages start installing stuff to >> /usr/lib instead of /lib? I would l

Re: Building Debian source packages reproducibly

2019-10-28 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-10-28 10:05 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mercredi, 23 octobre 2019, 15.49:11 h CET Theodore Y. Ts'o a écrit : >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:18:24AM +1000, Russell Stuart wrote: >> > On Tue, 2019-10-22 at 16:52 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> > > That seems excessively pessimistic.

Re: [OT] /etc/machine-id "must not be exposed in untrusted environments"

2019-08-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-08-08 15:20 -0400, Marvin Renich wrote: > This is related to the thread Generating new IDs for cloning, but is > probably OT for this list. I guess this is really a question for > systemd maintainers? Should I file a bug? No. > The man page for machine-id says: > > This ID uniquely i

Re: libfuse3-dev is a virtual package?

2019-07-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-07-14 11:56 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > So this is weird. I can't install libfuse3-dev on my buster system: > > # apt install libfuse3-dev > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package libfuse3-dev is not available, but is refer

Re: Please drop anacron from task-desktop

2019-03-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-03-08 20:12 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Adrian Bunk > >> Something will break (like in the mlocate case), and people might only >> start noticing when they are doing fresh installs of buster after the >> release. > > Which mlocate case is this? Bug #882993, updatedb.mlocate will

Re: Behaviour inconsistency between apt and aptitude (on nvidia-related packages)

2018-09-26 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-09-26 10:38 -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote: > I just encountered some weird problem around installing bumblebee-nvidia > using > apt and aptitude on Debian Unstable. Here's what I did: > > $ sudo apt purge '*nvidia*' > $ sudo apt autoremove --purge > $ sudo apt update > $ dpkg --print-architec

Re: Different priorities on different architectures

2018-03-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-03-21 23:18 +0300, kact...@gnu.org wrote: > Recently I got report (and I can confirm) that libgdbm5_1.14.1-6 have > different priorities on x86 and amd64. In source package it is > optional, I checked. Probably you installed a locally built version of libgdbm5 on your amd64 system, becaus

Re: Spam targeting nnn-done@bugs.d.o

2018-02-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-02-21 19:36 +0100, Tobias Frost wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 06:31:46PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2018-02-21 17:48 +0100, Georg Faerber wrote: >> > >> Apart from restricting access to the BTS (which I think nobody really >> wants), the answer is

Re: Spam targeting nnn-done@bugs.d.o

2018-02-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-02-21 17:48 +0100, Georg Faerber wrote: > Just to let people know: Recently, there has been quite some spam with > identical content sent to different bugs, project and team mailing > lists, etc. That's bad, but what's even more worse is that this spam now > gets send to nnn-done@bugs.d.o

Re: allowed uses of non-baseline CPU extensions

2017-10-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2017-10-05 09:09 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 at 11:01:42 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> Anything that generates different code depending on the instructions >> supported by the build CPU is going to break reproducible builds. So >> whatever mechanism is used, it needs to be d

Re: Clearing the conffile status of a file

2017-07-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2017-07-12 09:56 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > I've got a request to remove the conffile status of a file after it is > no longer a conffile. dpkg-maintscript-helper rm_conffile does not > seem to do this, based on the documentation and the source code. > > Is there a clean way to implement t

Re: Where can build scripts be found?

2017-01-27 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2017-01-27 20:16 -0800, Thomas Nyberg wrote: > On 01/25/2017 11:18 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >> This seems to be a recurring problem in Mozilla's build process, it >> fails because SHELL is not set in the environment. You can work around >> that by passing --preser

Re: Where can build scripts be found?

2017-01-25 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2017-01-25 14:05 -0800, Thomas Nyberg wrote: > I'm trying to compile my own version of icedove to see if I can > understand certain bugs I'm running into (at the moment I just get > random crashes, so I can't really report anything useful). I tried the > following steps on a new machine: > > $

Re: auto-removal and alternative dependencies

2016-12-31 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-12-31 17:42 +0300, Sergei Golovan wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort > wrote: >> On 08/12/16 13:02, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> I have two packages that depend on: nagios3 | icinga >>> >>> nagios3 is being removed[1], but icinga[2] is still available, so why >>>

Re: Getting DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH from maintscripts

2016-12-15 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-12-15 22:13 +, Wookey wrote: > On 2016-12-15 22:50 +0100, Mathieu Parent (Debian) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I need to have access to $DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH in prerm and postinst to >> create the appropriate symlink with update-alternatives. >> >> What is the best way to do this? > > Depend on

Re: Installing missing conffiles (was Re: dpkg no longer installs conffiles??)

2016-11-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-30 14:16 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Tue, 2016-11-29 at 19:18:41 +0100, Simon Richter wrote: >> To force reinstallation of configuration files, invoke dpkg with the >> "--force-confmiss" option when installing. This will only restore >> missing configuration files, but not overwrit

Re: missing -dbgsym packages on uploads by maintainer(s)

2016-11-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-11 22:38 +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote: > there are a bunch of package which were missing -dbgsym packages on > their arch upload. The buildd built them on the remaining architectures. > Here are a few examples: > - missing on amd64: aptly, meep, xdelta3 > - missing on i386: ch

Re: misleading timestamps in binnmus

2016-11-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-10 10:00 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > The date from the last sourceful upload should probably still be used > for any date/time information included in generated files to ensure > they are identical on all architectures (or at least to try to do so). > > If you change the date in th

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-04 15:03 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ralf Treinen writes: > >> in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we >> found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The >> list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > >> if they are

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-04 21:22 +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > Hi, > > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The > list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > > if they are scripts (which is reco

Re: spammers closing bugs in BTS

2016-08-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-08-20 09:07 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > On 18/08/16 10:48, Holger Levsen wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 06:14:38PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: >>> I received a notification that a bug was closed. >>> >>> The email that closed the bug was a spam email sent to the >>> address (bug-numb

Re: [MBF]: Building arch:all and arch:any without build-{arch,indep} targets

2016-07-06 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-07-06 02:51 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > On Sun, 2016-04-03 at 17:29:32 +, Niels Thykier wrote: >> The targets are "officially" mandatory and have been since 3.9.4 >> (released in September 2012). Currently lintian and dpkg still forgive >> their absence to avoid auto-rejects and FTB

Re: Handling Multi-Arch packages that must be installed for every enabled architecture?

2016-06-25 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-06-24 23:01 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > Some packages, if installed on any architecture, must be installed for > every enabled architecture. Most notably, an NSS or PAM module package, > if enabled in /etc/nsswitch.conf or /etc/pam.d respectively, must exist > for every enabled architec

Re: Misc Developer News (#41)

2016-06-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-06-19 12:18 +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:03:38 +0200 > Julien Cristau wrote: >> `init` no longer required >> - > (snip) >> For unstable as of 2016-06-05 this change reduced the size of binary >> packages to install from 33MB to 29MB for the

Re: preparing for GCC 5, especially libstdc++6

2015-07-03 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2015-07-04 03:17 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > I just tried to g++/gcc 5 in chroot, this wanted to pull an additional > 400MB: > > Is this expected? Are those binaries unstripped or how does it come that > they are so huge? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=783876 Cheers,

Re: mass bug filing about everything-in-usr

2014-11-03 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-11-02 03:01 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > I plan to open 10 other bugs like #767710 about packages that install > a symbolic link to a file with the same name in both /bin/ and > /usr/bin/, this way preventing a conversion to everything-in-usr. Thanks for doing that. Have you looked at ca

Re: New dash in experimental

2014-10-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-20 14:19 +0200, Gerrit Pape wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 07:07:45PM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote: >> On 2014-10-01 16:04, Gerrit Pape wrote: >> > Hi, I uploaded a new version of dash (0.5.8-1) to experimental, please >> > help testing it. If no critical issues arise, I plan to put th

Re: Pre-Depends changed for dpkg on GNU/kFreeBSD

2014-10-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-04 23:59 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: > Something else I just realized now is that libkvm pulls in libbsd and > libfreebsd-glue into the pseudo-essential set on GNU/kFreeBSD, which > makes the situation a bit worse. Both libbsd and libfreebsd-glue are already pulled in by freebsd-utils.

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-06 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-09-05 23:50 +0200, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > >> systemd also pulls in a large amount of bloat (IIRC someone mentioned >> 100ish packages in wheezy vs 146 in current jessie). Purging those is >> nontrivial, as some had their priority bumped up. > > That seems much high

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-08-09 04:27 +0200, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages > have the priority required? And what are they used for? Providing the mandatory files under /usr/share/doc, all packages built from the gcc-4.[789] source ship a symlink unde

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-14 18:52 +0200, Russ Allbery wrote: > Thorsten Glaser writes: > >> * Running dist-upgrade without --purge will keep packages in 'rc' >> state around, which a later APT call will not even recognise; >> you need to manually "dpkg --purge pkg1 pkg2 ..." to get rid >> of them > > I u

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-12 18:19 +0200, Josh Triplett wrote: > Having libpam-systemd depend on "systemd-shim | systemd-sysv" will not > properly > handle systems that already have systemd installed but not systemd-sysv. Could you please elaborate what exactly does not work properly in such a situation? I ha

Re: make 4.0: archive rebuild resulted in 73 packages broken (help wanted)

2014-04-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-04-30 16:39 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: >> I think we should first understand why the detection is failing with >> the newer make. I'm taking a look now. Once that's done we might just >> be able to fix (or workaround) one of:

Re: Reproducing build error / environment

2014-02-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-02-01 22:07 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Christoph Ender , 2014-02-01, 21:47: >> I’m currently having trouble reproducing a build error – see >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735757 > > My guess is that the root cause is #735782. I think you are right, I merged the two

Re: dpkg with new Essential

2013-12-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-12-09 04:55 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 13:56 +1100, Craig Small wrote: >> As pidof is moving from sysvinit-utils to procps-base in the next >> release, I want to check I've got the way dpkg handles flags correctly. >> >> procps-base will contain the new pidof and

Re: Archive rebuild failures and the clean target

2013-10-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-10-07 10:53 +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: > I see "serious" FTBFS bugs appearing on my packages when people try to > rebuild the entire archive. > > Those failures are due to attempting to run the clean target prior to > anything else. This is what dpkg-buildpackage does, so it has to wor

Re: dpkg-buildpackage creating uninstallable packages?

2013-09-28 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-09-28 22:18 +0200, Norbert Preining wrote: > since a short time when I build a binary package on my running system, > I cannot install the created .deb anymore because it depends on > libc-amd64 (>= some.version) which somehow is not what I have although > I am running amd64 sid. Uninstal

Re: Survey answers part 2: the systemd transition

2013-07-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-07-01 21:54 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: > Le 01/07/2013 20:05, Michael Stapelberg a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> since some people might not read planet debian, here is a link to my >> second blog post in a series of posts dealing with the results of the >> Debian systemd survey: >> >> http://

Re: Mass bug filing for shared library broken symlinks detected by piuparts

2013-06-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-06-30 19:08 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:30:39 -0400, Dave Steele wrote: > >> Shortly, piuparts.debian.org will be elevating the broken symlink test >> in sid from a warning to an error status. In advance of that, bugs >> submissions are planned against package

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-05-11 11:22 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > While that might be of some interest the real goal of the change was > to be able to have more than *2* packages provide /bin/sh. > > Currently, due to the totaly screwed up way this is done, only dash or > bash can be /bin/sh. I think that

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-04-18 10:48 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 09:29:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 04/02/2013 09:18 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> > Actually that hits another problem. Namely that the epoch does not >> > appear in the binary package filename. While

Re: Packages with incomplete .md5sum files

2013-01-15 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-01-15 10:29 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > There's no requirement for md5sums files in the first place AFAIK. How > are incomplete md5sums worse than no md5sums? If there is no md5sums file, dpkg (as of version 1.16.3) creates it at unpack time. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-06-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-06-01 11:54 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Guillem Jover writes: > >> On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 14:03:35 +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: >>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> > On 2012-05-20 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-22 20:40 +0200, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 22/05/12 19:24, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> and anything that uses libx86 won't work either (#492470). > > Is this the right bug? According to the reporter's reportbug System > Information, he's running l

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-22 20:03 +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 07:27:21PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> * Ben Hutchings , 2012-05-20, 03:16: >> >5. Installer for i386 prefers amd64 kernel on any capable machine >> >(that's a one-line change!) and adds amd64 as secondary >> >architecture i

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-20 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Slightly OT but I wanted to mention it for its similarity: > > One thing that should be tested and then documented prominently as yay > or nay in the wheezy upgrade notes is wether one can cross-grade from > i386 to amd64 using multiarch. We

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-19 00:52 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:27:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: >> Guillem Jover wrote: >> > Only as long as the debian/control information matches the one from >> > the archive override. >> >> I checked, and currently the only base package with an ove

Re: Lintian warning hardening-no-stackprotector although compiled with hardening options

2012-05-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-17 17:25 +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: > The html-xml-utils package contains a bunch of small helper programs. > I've chosen dh 9 compatibility level recently to enable hardening. > However, I still get lintian warnings for 3 binaries. However all > binaries are compiled and linked with

Re: Version for a returning package

2012-05-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-13 11:49 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Mike Hommey, le Sun 13 May 2012 11:16:13 +0200, a écrit : >> The versions they had by then had an epoch. Supposedly, to make the new >> versions greater than these, I have to add an epoch. But do I really >> need to care about making the new vers

Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts

2012-05-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-12 13:10 +0200, Charles Plessy wrote: > I was always wondering: > > Unless we expect that two different binary packages that can be co-installed > will distribute the same directory under different ownership or permissions > for > a good reason, why not simply let dpkg apply ownership

Re: Directory /boot/console-setup

2012-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-10 19:45 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:43:46PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: >> [Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not >> subscribed to debian-devel.] >> >> First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an >> acce

Re: Bug#672160: Directory /boot/console-setup

2012-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-10 18:43 +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > [Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not > subscribed to debian-devel.] > > First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an > access to a directory similar to /var very early during the boot process

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-09 14:01 +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: > Philipp Kern writes: > >> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 10:39:38AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: >>> > And the integrator/packager may not want to learn all the funny >>> > languages that daemons can be written in (ocaml, haskell, java, ruby, >>> > ...). Be

Re: Bug#661329: recommends doom-wad which is only provided by non-free doom-wad-shareware

2012-04-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-04-30 09:23 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/30/2012 03:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: >> The difference is that there are millions of videos you can watch with >> VLC, while there are only a dozen or so iwads for doomsday, none of >> which are free. > > And the

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-04-11 12:13 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > 2) Static order is currently supported and supporting it for wheezy > doesn't incurr horrible amounts of work. I beg to disagree, it is already unsupportable because the only way to test it is to set up a lenny system, create some local ini

Re: multiarch conversion for packages with lib32* packages

2012-03-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-03-24 10:50 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2012-03-24 04:04 +0100, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: >> > One issue not covered is what to do if your package already builds >> > 32-bit libraries on a 64-bi

Re: multiarch conversion for packages with lib32* packages

2012-03-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-03-24 04:04 +0100, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > I would like to do multiarch conversion for the icu packages. I > understand the concept and the implementation, and I have looked at > http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation. One issue not covered > is what to do if your package alread

Re: Important information regarding upcoming dpkg 1.16.2 upload

2012-03-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-03-14 11:33 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> If it outputs nothing on your system, then you're fine. Otherwise >> it should give you some instructions to follow to bring it back to a >> coherent state. > > There was a bug in the script. An upda

Re: Multiarch file overlap summary and proposal

2012-02-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-14 15:28 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Guillem Jover writes: > >> This still does not solve the other issues I listed, namely binNMUs >> have to be performed in lock-step, more complicated transitions / >> upgrades. > > I don't think I see where this is coming from. Are you talking about

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-08 21:03 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > This is regarding Bug #645540 ("Essential" package conflict between > sysvinit and systemd-sysv). > > sysvinit is currently Essential. In order to permit the replacement > of sysvinit with an alternative init system, I'd like to propose the > creati

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-19 23:06 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > Recently the readline-dev package and its GPL2 variant > libreadline-gplv2-dev dropped their dependencies on libncurses5-dev. > This prompted me to look for packages that currently depend on > libncurses5 but do not build-depend on lib

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-21 12:13 +0200, Colin Watson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 08:48:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> Actually, just adding the build dependency is not the best solution in >> such cases, since you'll get a spurious dependency on libncurses5 >> (dpk

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-20 14:05 +0200, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:06:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> Colin Watson >>spectemu > > Fixed in 0.94a-13, thanks. Actually, just adding the build dependency is not the best solution in such cases, since you'll

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-20 00:03 +0200, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sven Joachim writes: > >> The two exceptions are [...] nvidia-cuda-toolkit (non-free, >> binary-only(?)). > > Yup, binary-only. I believe the dependency is present in the binary that > we get from upstream, and no -dev

Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-19 Thread Sven Joachim
Recently the readline-dev package and its GPL2 variant libreadline-gplv2-dev dropped their dependencies on libncurses5-dev. This prompted me to look for packages that currently depend on libncurses5 but do not build-depend on libncurses5-dev or its aliases libncurses-dev and ncurses-dev, nor have l

Re: console-tools removal from sid

2011-10-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-19 14:35 +0200, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > I propose to remove console-tools from sid, in favour of kbd. > This is long planned: console-tools has been dead upstream for many > years, with only Debian and derivatives > still using it; For squeeze, kbd was made priority: optional and >

Re: Move all to /usr

2011-10-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-14 02:28 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > My plan is to write a script which moves to /usr all the binaries in > /bin and /sbin (taking care of the few cases which actually are links > to /) and then converts the directories to symlinks to /usr/bin and > /usr/sbin. > After this I will try

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