On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 06:36:08PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> (leaving the other parts of threads to later, when I'll get time to
> think what useful answer I can give, beyond just apologizing)
please dont reply later, everyone is sick of init system discussions on
debian-devel@l.d.o. - disc
Hi!
Am 10.02.2020 um 12:18 schrieb Svante Signell:
> I would really like to know what the second part of the sentence
> "Systemd but we
> support exploring alternatives" means.
in debian terms, if someone likes to send patches and they don't break
anything, they are welcome, but
patches which en
Hello,
Svante Signell, le lun. 10 févr. 2020 12:18:37 +0100, a ecrit:
> On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd
> > > buildd mahler.
>
> > Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here *again* putti
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 06:27:55PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
Not much space for other init systems than systemd within Debian. I was hoping
for too much. Let's move on with our lives.
I think we'd all appreciate if you would do that and stop sending
messages about systemd!
(leaving the other parts of threads to later, when I'll get time to
think what useful answer I can give, beyond just apologizing)
Svante Signell, le lun. 10 févr. 2020 18:27:55 +0100, a ecrit:
> Regarding your opinion about the GR becomes very clear by reading
> https://hartmans.livejournal.com/9
Back on debian-devel.
On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 14:22 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
>From a private reply to me from Sam:
> I hear your frustration at Samuel's message.
I want Samuel to apologize on _this_ email list for insulting me.
Regarding your opinion about the GR becomes very clear by reading
htt
Sam: This reply is addressed to Samuel and another to you follows, then I'll
shut up.
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd
> > buildd mahler.
> Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here *again
Sam: This reply is addressed to you, and another to Samuel, then I'll shut up.
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 08:27 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> I can't speak for anyone else, but yeah I've come to my own conclusions.
> I was fairly open about them:
> https://hartmans.livejournal.com/99395.html
>
> For my
On 08.02.20 22:39, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> +1. A reasonable patch to allow this kind of thing would of course be
> considered. It could even be pre-seeded to allow for easy control of
> it.
> I *think* we said something like that ages ago, but no sign of
> patches.
The installer patches are triv
In article <20200208121622.lu4vla6sasagven2@function> you write:
>Svante Signell, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 13:03:20 +0100, a ecrit:
>> On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> > Unfortunately, I think that Debian has decided that's not directly our
>> > focus.
>>
>> Just to make sure
Hello,
Alf Gaida, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 17:18:09 +0100, a ecrit:
> Am 08.02.20 um 16:15 schrieb Svante Signell:
> > Anything else?
> >
> Yes, you forget something - as long the discussion culture in Debian
> stays this way i'm not motivated to start my NM process again.
Please really do not take
Am 08.02.20 um 16:15 schrieb Svante Signell:
>
> Anything else?
>
Yes, you forget something - as long the discussion culture in Debian
stays this way i'm not motivated to start my NM process again. Waste of
time to join a bunch of unripe kids. Sorry, but i find no other words
with my limited en
This thread has served its purpose.
Continuing this thread is neither consistent with our Code of Conduct
nor with the idea of facilitating a productive on-topic discussion
within the scope of the debian-devel mailing list.
Among other reasons, the discussion is starting to repeat itself and to
Le samedi, 8 février 2020, 16.15:13 h CET Svante Signell a écrit :
> On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit:
> > > It sounds like you were suggesting that people should leave as a way of
> > > pressuring or punishing
Svante Signell, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 16:15:13 +0100, a ecrit:
> On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit:
> > > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including
> > > Svante> those having package not bei
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello Sam,
>
> Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit:
> > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including
> > Svante> those having package not being dependent on systemd.
> >
> > I am frustrated readi
Hello Sam,
Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit:
> Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including
> Svante> those having package not being dependent on systemd.
>
> I am frustrated reading this.
> It sounds like you were suggesting that people should leave a
> "Svante" == Svante Signell writes:
>> Yes, this may mean that the support for a particular alternate
>> init system may be better in a downstream that focuses on that
>> system than in Debian itself.
Svante> Perhaps all Debian Developers and Maintainers opposing
Svante
Svante Signell, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 13:03:20 +0100, a ecrit:
> On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I think that Debian has decided that's not directly our
> > focus.
>
> Just to make sure: If I submit patches for the Debian installer for support of
> more tha
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > > > > > "Svante" == Svante Signell writes:
>
> Svante> When is
> Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for
> Svante> installation?
>
> I hear your frustration that you'd like to see Debian committed to
> suppo
> "Svante" == Svante Signell writes:
Svante> When is
Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for
Svante> installation?
I hear your frustration that you'd like to see Debian committed to
supporting alternate init systems.
I do understand you value that and have spe
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