on beating dead horses (Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems)

2020-02-11 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 06:36:08PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > (leaving the other parts of threads to later, when I'll get time to > think what useful answer I can give, beyond just apologizing) please dont reply later, everyone is sick of init system discussions on debian-devel@l.d.o. - disc

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Florian Reitmeir
Hi! Am 10.02.2020 um 12:18 schrieb Svante Signell: > I would really like to know what the second part of the sentence > "Systemd but we > support exploring alternatives" means. in debian terms, if someone likes to send patches and they don't break anything, they are welcome, but patches which en

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Svante Signell, le lun. 10 févr. 2020 12:18:37 +0100, a ecrit: > On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd > > > buildd mahler. > > > Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here *again* putti

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 06:27:55PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: Not much space for other init systems than systemd within Debian. I was hoping for too much. Let's move on with our lives. I think we'd all appreciate if you would do that and stop sending messages about systemd!

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Samuel Thibault
(leaving the other parts of threads to later, when I'll get time to think what useful answer I can give, beyond just apologizing) Svante Signell, le lun. 10 févr. 2020 18:27:55 +0100, a ecrit: > Regarding your opinion about the GR becomes very clear by reading > https://hartmans.livejournal.com/9

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Svante Signell
Back on debian-devel. On Mon, 2020-02-10 at 14:22 +, Sam Hartman wrote: >From a private reply to me from Sam: > I hear your frustration at Samuel's message. I want Samuel to apologize on _this_ email list for insulting me. Regarding your opinion about the GR becomes very clear by reading htt

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Svante Signell
Sam: This reply is addressed to Samuel and another to you follows, then I'll shut up. On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 16:40 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Nice, the first thing I'll do is to shut down the Debian/GNU Hurd > > buildd mahler. > Can't you see you are here exactly very precisely here *again

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-10 Thread Svante Signell
Sam: This reply is addressed to you, and another to Samuel, then I'll shut up. On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 08:27 -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else, but yeah I've come to my own conclusions. > I was fairly open about them: > https://hartmans.livejournal.com/99395.html > > For my

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Simon Richter
On 08.02.20 22:39, Steve McIntyre wrote: > +1. A reasonable patch to allow this kind of thing would of course be > considered. It could even be pre-seeded to allow for easy control of > it. > I *think* we said something like that ages ago, but no sign of > patches. The installer patches are triv

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
In article <20200208121622.lu4vla6sasagven2@function> you write: >Svante Signell, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 13:03:20 +0100, a ecrit: >> On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote: >> > Unfortunately, I think that Debian has decided that's not directly our >> > focus. >> >> Just to make sure

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Alf Gaida, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 17:18:09 +0100, a ecrit: > Am 08.02.20 um 16:15 schrieb Svante Signell: > > Anything else? > > > Yes, you forget something - as long the discussion culture in Debian > stays this way i'm not motivated to start my NM process again. Please really do not take

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Alf Gaida
Am 08.02.20 um 16:15 schrieb Svante Signell: > > Anything else? > Yes, you forget something - as long the discussion culture in Debian stays this way i'm not motivated to start my NM process again. Waste of time to join a bunch of unripe kids. Sorry, but i find no other words with my limited en

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Sam Hartman
This thread has served its purpose. Continuing this thread is neither consistent with our Code of Conduct nor with the idea of facilitating a productive on-topic discussion within the scope of the debian-devel mailing list. Among other reasons, the discussion is starting to repeat itself and to

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 8 février 2020, 16.15:13 h CET Svante Signell a écrit : > On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit: > > > It sounds like you were suggesting that people should leave as a way of > > > pressuring or punishing

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 16:15:13 +0100, a ecrit: > On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > > Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit: > > > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including > > > Svante> those having package not bei

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2020-02-08 at 14:51 +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Hello Sam, > > Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit: > > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including > > Svante> those having package not being dependent on systemd. > > > > I am frustrated readi

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello Sam, Sam Hartman, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 08:27:24 -0500, a ecrit: > Svante> Perhaps all [...] ought to leave the project, including > Svante> those having package not being dependent on systemd. > > I am frustrated reading this. > It sounds like you were suggesting that people should leave a

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Svante" == Svante Signell writes: >> Yes, this may mean that the support for a particular alternate >> init system may be better in a downstream that focuses on that >> system than in Debian itself. Svante> Perhaps all Debian Developers and Maintainers opposing Svante

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Svante Signell, le sam. 08 févr. 2020 13:03:20 +0100, a ecrit: > On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Unfortunately, I think that Debian has decided that's not directly our > > focus. > > Just to make sure: If I submit patches for the Debian installer for support of > more tha

Re: Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-08 Thread Svante Signell
On Thu, 2020-02-06 at 21:12 +, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > > > > "Svante" == Svante Signell writes: > > Svante> When is > Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for > Svante> installation? > > I hear your frustration that you'd like to see Debian committed to > suppo

Debian With Alternate Init Systems

2020-02-06 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Svante" == Svante Signell writes: Svante> When is Svante> Debian ever to offer a non-systemd alternative for Svante> installation? I hear your frustration that you'd like to see Debian committed to supporting alternate init systems. I do understand you value that and have spe