Scripsit Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about
> > duplicate work when it turns out that you're not the only one who has
> > been doing work without telling anybo
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about
> duplicate work when it turns out that you're not the only one who has
> been doing work without telling anybody about it.
So, _both_ people involved should have
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Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think you are placing too much emphasis on the ITP and the WNPP
> system. I think it has a useful place in avoiding (some) duplicate work,
> searching for new owners for packagers etc, but don't expect ev
Scripsit Hamish Moffatt
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:27:33AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> > Another possibility is that one only actually decides that one is
> > willing to maintain the package in Debian after having *done* a
> > workable first approximation to packaging and found no monsters
>
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:32:27AM +0100, Duck wrote:
> When you find several ITPs filled more than 6 years ago and an official DD
> "seems" not to mind about using the BTS properly, you may wonder about the
> future of your prefered distribution.
Eh?
I think you are placing too much emphasis on
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:41:24PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> I did contact him, but you didn't.
> > ... but none of this is essential.
>
> I fully disagree.
> A good cooperation with upstream is really important to relay bugs, improve
> the
> software (b
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:27:33AM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event
> > he actually made the package in a few minutes), but it's not such a big
> > deal.
>
> Another possibility i
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Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> May I remember you it's retitling an RFP into ITP you responded to?
> Which was meant to avoid anyone else going through useless effort while
> the packages are waiting for ftp-master intervenience.
W
Scripsit Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event
> he actually made the package in a few minutes), but it's not such a big deal.
Another possibility is that one only actually decides that one is
willing to maintain the package in De
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 06:03, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> packaging wrk that would be thrown away. ITP _after_ looking at the
> program, and _before_ packaging it. And I personally wait until I
That's a matter of opinion.
I generally don't ITP until I already have something that
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:14:48 +0100, Duck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> As Martin Pitt said, I think it's wise contacting related persons,
> look at the program, and then, when you relly want to package it,
> write an ITP. I won't post hundreds of ITPs in advance to be sure
> to get the packages i
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:55:46 +0100, Duck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>> libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be
>> added by ftp-master.
> This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer
> does not mean qu
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Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ITP means simply "intent to package". Anyone can, and judging by this case
> probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or
> the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw yo
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:17:07PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> > ITP means simply "intent to package". Anyone can, and judging by this case
> > probably should, announce their intention as soon as they see the program or
> > the RFP. You can always either confirm or withdraw your ITP later.
>
> Good beha
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:30PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
>
> I'm sorry that you feel disappointed, but the other developer didn't seem to
> do anything "really nasty", he was merely much more expeditious than you
> were. He could have posted his ITP sooner, too (unless in the unlikely event
>
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> >
> > libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by
> > ftp-master.
>
> This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer
> does not mean quality.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you
> think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody
> must do that.
It's simply a matter of timing and fact. The sooner you ITP, the less
likel
Please don't misinterpret my terse replies for annoyance or flaming.
This is really a non-issue, and my email reflects that.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> As Martin Pitt said, I think it's wise contacting related persons,
> look at the program, and then, when you relly wa
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Thats stupid. A DD already has some packages so on average he will
> have less time to care for yet another package.
There's so many variables influencing the level of support developers
are able to offer for their packages t
Hi!
On 2003-11-17 0:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> If you don't write the ITP first, you run the risk of somebody else
> duplicating your work! Exactly what happened here.
Not quite exactly, as far as I understood, Filip did not send an ITP
at all. This would have decreased the chance of dou
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:14:48PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> > Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of
> > complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to
> > co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from your
> > combined efforts.
>
> A
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Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my
>> work preparation turned into ashes.
>
> "Duck", why did you do any preparation before writing the ITP yourself?
>
>> You did work on y
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Chad Walstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of
> complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to
> co-maintain the package. Perhaps the package could benefit from you
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
> On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> > > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my
> > > work preparation turned into ashes.
> >
> > Duck,
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:29:08PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> > On the flip side, he's a Debian developer and you would have had to find
> > a sponsor etc. I would rather have a packa
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> On the flip side, he's a Debian developer and you would have had to find
> a sponsor etc. I would rather have a package from a registered
> maintainer, if you don't mind.
Thats stupid. A DD alread
Scripsit Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you think best,
> then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody must do
> that.
No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about
duplicate work when it turns out that you're
Hi!
On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my
> > work preparation turned into ashes.
>
> Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier.
Why should he? If
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
> > libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by
> > ftp-master.
>
> This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer
> does not mean quality.
>
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote:
> I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my
> work preparation turned into ashes.
Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Instead of
complaining, why don't you thank your fellow developer and offer to
c
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Filip Van Raemdonck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> libxklavier & gswitchit packages are uploaded and waiting to be added by
> ftp-master.
This nasty behavior shows that being an officiel Debian developer
does not mean quality.
I was writing an ITP
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