Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:49 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't make you a better person, it just

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least resistance are *precisely* how the world got so fucked up in the first place.

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least resistance are

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:49:25AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:41 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Terry Dawson
Hamish Moffatt wrote: FWIW, there's no such restriction in the Australian regulations, as far as I can see. I concur, that's generally correct. The ACA has relaxed the profane language requirements somewhat since they were tested in court (by a commercial broadcast radio operator) some time

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Terry Dawson
Ron Johnson wrote: With beliefs like that, no wonder this world is going to hell in a hand basket. Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'd have thought the most polite action in the scenario you present is to acknowledge that others

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 10:30 +1100, Terry Dawson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: With beliefs like that, no wonder this world is going to hell in a hand basket. Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'd have thought the most polite

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty sure that people who always take the path of least resistance

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-11 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 02:00 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:41:09PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Manners/politeness is social lubricant. It makes society run smoother and less violently. I'm pretty

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:13:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Miles Bader wrote: [snip] I, for one, am far more interested in the message than the way which the message is conveyed.

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 07:03:24AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: slightly extreme example The UK authorities can take away my amateur licence and fine me (and potentially put me in jail) for wilfully breaking the terms of my licence. My hobby is governed by an international agreement - so

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:03:33AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: How exactly do IP packets get transmitted via packet radio? Morse code, with binary files uuencoded? Is that a serious question? Packet radio IS the layer 1/2, which clearly rules out Morse code. In fact, IP is encapsulated into

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 09:28 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:13:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Miles Bader wrote: [snip] I, for one, am far more

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 20:52 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:03:33AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: How exactly do IP packets get transmitted via packet radio? Morse code, with binary files uuencoded? Is that a serious question? Totally serious, since the only ways that

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Andrew Suffield wrote: Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't make you a better person, it just makes you a liar. It is possible to be nice to someone that you do not like, and to do so honestly

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 09:28 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:13:06AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Miles Bader wrote: [snip] I, for one, am far more

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 12:43:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Dishonesty is *not* an equivalent substitute for respect. If you're being nice to somebody even though you don't like them, that doesn't make you a better person, it just makes you a liar. With beliefs like that, no wonder this

Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:02 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: - Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. This sentence surprised me in quite some ways: - besides: besides what? Do not swear, and apart from that, some people

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:02 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: - Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. This sentence surprised me in quite some ways: - besides: besides what? Do not swear, and

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Yes, the FCC. See part 97 of the FCC rules (US CFR Title 47), specifically § 97.113(1) [0] Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Miles Bader
Benjamin Seidenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent to the FCC, with similar rules which are all based on ITU regulations. So

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Benjamin Seidenberg
Miles Bader wrote: Benjamin Seidenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent to the FCC, with similar rules which are all based on

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Miles Bader wrote: So what's the likelihood that this is actually a problem? 0.1%? 0.001%? Probably a bit higher (not too much), given that radio waves propagate, and anyone in a large area could see them, but you're right it's

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 08:25:11PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Benjamin Seidenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what's the likelihood that this is actually a problem? 0.1%? 0.001%? Small, but real. In the extremely unlikely event that it is a problem, why should it be up to

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 20:25 +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Benjamin Seidenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Err, sorry, I meant § 97.113(a)(4). Also, my previous message applies to amateur operators in the US. Amateurs in other nations are similiary regulated by their equivelent to the FCC,

Re: Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 19:13 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: Miles Bader wrote: [snip] I, for one, am far more interested in the message than the way which the message is conveyed. The way the message is conveyed *is* part of the message. If you