John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about an ordinary meta-package named emacs?
That might be OK. Bear in mind that there used to be a real package
named emacs, though, so you should be wary of breaking upgrades from
very old systems.
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Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2.V.2001 at 15:09 Sam Powers wrote:
On Wednesday 02 May 2001 13:51, Simon Law wrote:
apt-get install { task-name-remove }
which happens to be REALLY ugly. Better to have apt-get support
task-removals. For example:
apt-get remove --remove-task [--purge] { task-name }
Anton Zinoviev wrote:
Isn't it possible to integrate debfoster in apt?
I think apt is even supposed to have some kind of hooks for storing the
necessary info, they are just not used.
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see shy jo
Roland Bauerschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does this allow you to remove a task package in an intuitive
way? That is what this discussion was about.
I am not exactly sure if debfoster does exactly this (at least it does
similar), but this is what would call the perfect solution:
%
AM Hallo!
AM I was recently told in german usenet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AM that FreeBSD used this kind of approach, its package managment (iirc
AM ports) remembered whether a package was requested directly or pulled in
AM by dependencies.
I hear about that first time. I think it is not true. FreeBSD
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Steve Greenland wrote:
On 01-May-01, 12:50 (CDT), Vince Mulhollon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 05/01/2001 12:40:24 PM roland wrote:
Vince Mulhollon wrote:
From my poor memory, the generally agreed best idea is to setup two
packages, vaguely like this:
On Wednesday 02 May 2001 13:51, Simon Law wrote:
apt-get install { task-name-remove }
which happens to be REALLY ugly. Better to have apt-get support
task-removals. For example:
apt-get remove --remove-task [--purge] { task-name }
Simon
I think Roland's suggestion[1] of a
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:10:47PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
I think it makes as much sense as the existing task packages.
Existing brokenness is no excuse for new brokenness though. I have gone
into detail about how the current task system is fubar, and I think I've
While we're discussing what's wrong with task packages, I'd like to pick on
them a little more:
Task packages make things like task-gnome-desktop very easy to install, but
removing the packages which are installed can sometimes be really tough, if
you just wanted to try out gnome, for example.
On 05/01/2001 03:09:16 AM Sam Powers wrote:
While we're discussing what's wrong with task packages, I'd like to pick
on
them a little more:
Task packages make things like task-gnome-desktop very easy to install,
but
removing the packages which are installed can sometimes be really tough,
if
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:47:34PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Perhaps it would be useful to create a new archive section for Debian-specific
tools. There seem to be more written all the time, and it would be nice to be
able to easily browse a list of them. Things like apt-zip, grep-dctrl,
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
Perhaps it would be useful to create a new archive section for Debian-specific
tools.
Christian Hammers writes:
I like this idea. Do others have other opinions about this?
I like it also.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
Vince Mulhollon wrote:
From my poor memory, the generally agreed best idea is to setup two
packages, vaguely like this:
Package name: task-abc
Conflicts: task-abc-remove
Depends: abc, bcd, cde, def
Package name: task-abc-remove
Conflicts: task-abc, abc, bcd, cde, def
Please, NO! This
On 05/01/2001 12:40:24 PM roland wrote:
Vince Mulhollon wrote:
From my poor memory, the generally agreed best idea is to setup two
packages, vaguely like this:
Package name: task-abc
Conflicts: task-abc-remove
Depends: abc, bcd, cde, def
Package name: task-abc-remove
On 01-May-01, 12:50 (CDT), Vince Mulhollon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 05/01/2001 12:40:24 PM roland wrote:
Vince Mulhollon wrote:
From my poor memory, the generally agreed best idea is to setup two
packages, vaguely like this:
Package name: task-abc
Conflicts: task-abc-remove
Vince Mulhollon writes:
Oh, I don't know if it [task-abc-remove] is an ugly hack.
The obvious thing to do when one wants to remove a package is to remove the
package. To an ordinary user task-abc is a package. He is not going to
figure out that the way to remove it is to install another
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:50:51PM -0500, Vince Mulhollon wrote:
Oh, I don't know if it's an ugly hack. Think about it, theres one program
or system that handles conflicts and dependencies. Why not rely on it?
Making multiple programs to do the same function (installing and removing
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A cleaner implementation would be to create a simple program or script that
would attempt to remove a given package and (recursively) all of its
dependencies, skipping any that are depended upon by packages outside of the
set of packages being
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 12:30:23PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A cleaner implementation would be to create a simple program or script that
would attempt to remove a given package and (recursively) all of its
dependencies, skipping any that are
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
How does this allow you to remove a task package in an intuitive way? That
is what this discussion was about.
I am not exactly sure if debfoster does exactly this (at least it does
similar), but this is what would call the perfect solution:
% apt-get install task-foo
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
debfoster does not do what I described, as you can see by its description.
I use it on my system for precisely that, only I don't limit it to just task
packages.
How does this allow you to remove a task package in an intuitive way? That
is what this
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joey If these tools become widly enough accepted that we think
Joey everyone should have them available by default, we can make
Joey them standard priority.
In the new universe (debbootstrap, tasksel, etc) where a user might
never run
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:34:04AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
Joey If these tools become widly enough accepted that we think
Joey everyone should have them available by default, we can make
Joey them standard priority.
In the new universe (debbootstrap, tasksel, etc) where a user
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:34:04AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the new universe (debbootstrap, tasksel, etc) where a user might
never run dselect, what makes sure that in the default configuration,
standard priority packages get installed?
Anthony Towns writes:
...what would people think of making a task-emacs and moving both tetex
and emacs out from standard?
As an emacs user I think this is an excellent idea, but I worry that
such stretching of the definition of task may confuse users.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 10:55:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Christian Hammers wrote:
Would it be good to have a package task-debian that had dependencies to such
meta packages (including the latest version of apt,debconf and dpkg) to
ensure that users always get the latest Debian
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 10:03:49AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Anthony Towns writes:
...what would people think of making a task-emacs and moving both tetex
and emacs out from standard?
As an emacs user I think this is an excellent idea, but I worry that
such stretching of the definition
Matt Zimmerman writes:
I think Emacs as a task makes good sense.
I think getting it out of standard makes good sense, but I'm not convinced
that it makes sense as a task.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:36:14PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Matt Zimmerman writes:
I think Emacs as a task makes good sense.
I think getting it out of standard makes good sense, but I'm not convinced
that it makes sense as a task.
I think it makes as much sense as the existing task
Matt Zimmerman writes:
I think it makes as much sense as the existing task packages.
Many of which make no more sense than would task-emacs.
Perhaps task-devel-emacs would be the logical analogue.
Why would someone who wants emacs so that he can read news and mail with
gnus and work on his
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In many Linux distributions, Emacs is a high-level installation task, like
Games or Mail. This makes sense to the average user, who usually either
wants Emacs or does not.
For a little amplification, while Emacs as an editor may not make
much sense as
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:31:48PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In many Linux distributions, Emacs is a high-level installation task, like
Games or Mail. This makes sense to the average user, who usually either
wants Emacs or does not.
For a
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
I think it makes as much sense as the existing task packages.
Existing brokenness is no excuse for new brokenness though. I have gone
into detail about how the current task system is fubar, and I think I've
filed bugs on most of the task packages you mention since they
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:10:47PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Matt Zimmerman wrote:
I think it makes as much sense as the existing task packages.
Existing brokenness is no excuse for new brokenness though. I have gone
into detail about how the current task system is fubar, and I think I've
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:38:04AM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote:
Recently I found two packages, debsig-verify and apt-listchanges only by
coincidence because I read in a mailing list about them.
Generally, I like the idea of a task-debian metapackage, because I
also just discovered some
Hello
Recently I found two packages, debsig-verify and apt-listchanges only by
coincidence because I read in a mailing list about them.
Would it be good to have a package task-debian that had dependencies to such
meta packages (including the latest version of apt,debconf and dpkg) to
ensure
Christian Hammers wrote:
Recently I found two packages, debsig-verify and apt-listchanges only by
coincidence because I read in a mailing list about them.
Would it be good to have a package task-debian that had dependencies to such
meta packages (including the latest version of apt,debconf
On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 10:55:22PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
Er, what would you think/do if you were a new user, and saw a list of tasks
like Web Server, X Desktop, and so on, and nestled in aoung them was
one titled, inexplicably. just Debian?
Call it a working title. We can discuss the name of
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