Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Juergen A. Erhard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Why is the www data under /var/www, while ftpd's stuff is under /home/ftp? Ain't ftp probably more `var'iable than www data (incoming!)? I personally thing either the ftp hierarchy should go to /var/ftp, or the www data should move to /home/www (the

Re: Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Juergen A. Erhard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I personally thing either the ftp hierarchy should go to /var/ftp, or the www data should move to /home/www (the latter I'd prefer). /home/(ftp|www) is just plain ugly. (It's a real pain when you're trying to share nfs home dirs between web

Re: Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:23:34 -0500, Michael Stone wrote: /home/(ftp|www) is just plain ugly. (It's a real pain when you're trying to share nfs home dirs between web servers, for example.) I use /var/ftp on my own system (well, actually

Re: Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:26:05 -0800, you wrote: Major services generally get a root entry from me. Some people think it is ugly but there is some purity in cd'ing to /www/somebusinesssite/ It outright violates the fhs, though. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No

Re: Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Josip Rodin
On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 10:23:34PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: Quoting Juergen A. Erhard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I personally thing either the ftp hierarchy should go to /var/ftp, or the www data should move to /home/www (the latter I'd prefer). /home/(ftp|www) is just plain ugly. (It's a

Re: Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Steve Lamb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:22:36 GMT, Marc Haber wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:26:05 -0800, you wrote: Major services generally get a root entry from me. Some people think it is ugly but there is some purity in cd'ing to /www/somebusinesssite/ It

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-23 Thread Brian May
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 09:39:18AM +1100, Brian May wrote: =20 The only thing my proposal changed was the UID and the GID of the web server, so that

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-22 Thread Lars Bensmann
On Fri, Jan 22, 1999 at 09:39:18AM +1100, Brian May wrote: The only thing my proposal changed was the UID and the GID of the web server, so that the web server doesn't have write access to the web files. It most cases, it is not required that the web server have write access to its files,

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Brian May
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: Maybe the web files should be owned by www-data and the web process should be owned by www or httpd? This way the descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical speaking, it is probably just as good to make web

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 08:35:23PM +, Edward Betts wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: Maybe the web files should be owned by www-data and the web process should be owned by www or httpd? This way the descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical speaking, it is

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:36:43PM +1100, Brian May wrote: 1. web files owned by www-data:www-data (ie no group change), and the web process executed by www:www (for instance). There is no need for users to be members of root. This would require an extra UID and GID. But this won't allow

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-21 Thread Brian May
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:36:43PM +1100, Brian May wrote: 1. web files owned by www-data:www-data (ie no group change), and the web process executed by www:www (for instance). There is no need for users to be members of root. This would require an extra

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Tom Lear
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: We seem to have a ever-standing bug against postgresql saying we cannot have a user called www-data accessing databases (postgresql complains about the '-' in the name, it looks like it is not a valid char for postgresql usernames at

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Steve Bowman
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 10:34:27PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: Johnie Ingram wrote: Eduardo == Eduardo Marcel Macan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eduardo See, I am not suggesting that we change the username Eduardo to solve the postgres problem, this would solve this problem,

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Brian May
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Bart == Bart Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bart Is www-data the uid of the web server process or is it the owner Bart of the served files? Hm, good point. At the moment its both -- /var/www is installed as www-data.www-data, but other packages like

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Johnie Ingram
Steve == Steve Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve If you want to confuse operators and operands, you Steve deserve what you ask for, but no one would call this a bug in Steve bash (would they?). I withdraw the --allow-badname suggestion then -- just wish this was documented in

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Oliver Elphick
Edward Betts wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: Maybe the web files should be owned by www-data and the web process should be owned by www or httpd? This way the descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical speaking, it is probably just as good to make web files

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-20 Thread Edward Betts
On Wed, 20 Jan, 1999, Brian May wrote: Maybe the web files should be owned by www-data and the web process should be owned by www or httpd? This way the descriptive names continue to make sense. Practical speaking, it is probably just as good to make web files owned by root, however, then the

Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
We seem to have a ever-standing bug against postgresql saying we cannot have a user called www-data accessing databases (postgresql complains about the '-' in the name, it looks like it is not a valid char for postgresql usernames at all). Since I have been making kludges in several

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Oliver Elphick
Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: We seem to have a ever-standing bug against postgresql saying we cannot have a user called www-data accessing databases (postgresql complains about the '-' in the name, it looks like it is not a valid char for postgresql usernames at all). It is possible

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread J. S. Connell
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: started to wonder... Where does the name www-data come from? IS there any argument against 'www' ? Or perhaps one might ask why Debian deviated from common practice in naming the httpd user www-data instead of httpd, like everyone else. --Jeff

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Johnie Ingram
Eduardo == Eduardo Marcel Macan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: EduardoSee, I am not suggesting that we change the username Eduardo to solve the postgres problem, this would solve this problem, Eduardo but not THE problem with postgres. I am just wondering why it Eduardo is not called just

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 01:51:39PM -0500, J. S. Connell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: started to wonder... Where does the name www-data come from? IS there any argument against 'www' ? Or perhaps one might ask why Debian deviated from common practice in naming

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Bart Schuller
On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 08:20:23AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 01:51:39PM -0500, J. S. Connell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: started to wonder... Where does the name www-data come from? IS there any argument against 'www' ? Or

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Johnie Ingram
Bart == Bart Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bart Is www-data the uid of the web server process or is it the owner Bart of the served files? Hm, good point. At the moment its both -- /var/www is installed as www-data.www-data, but other packages like MRTG make subdirs owned by root. And

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Oliver Elphick
Johnie Ingram wrote: Eduardo == Eduardo Marcel Macan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eduardo See, I am not suggesting that we change the username Eduardo to solve the postgres problem, this would solve this problem, Eduardo but not THE problem with postgres. I am just wondering why it

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously J. S. Connell wrote: Or perhaps one might ask why Debian deviated from common practice in naming the httpd user www-data instead of httpd, like everyone else. Whose common practive? I've been working with HTTP servers since 1994 and I've never used a httpd user.. Wichert. --