Bug#348655: ITP: ipfilter -- Stateful and packet based IP network firewall

2006-01-18 Thread Steve King
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steve King [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: ipfilter Version : 4.1.10 Upstream Author : Darren Reed darrenr (at) pobox (dot) com * URL : http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/ip_fil4.1.10.tar.gz * License : BSD Description

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:01 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-17 11:36]: Kennedy wasn't a citizen of Berlin, either, not literally. The world understood what he meant, though, when he said (somewhat awkwardly) that he was. Again my question: Do

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:10:25AM +0100, Matthias Klose wrote: Joe Wreschnig writes: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:32 -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 02:31:47PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: You're underestimating the grave consequences of losing 25MB off every memory

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/17/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) No changes rebuild-only upload should still be versionned so that we do not end up with two .deb with the same version but different contents. Rebuilding a package with a newer toolchain can cause different dependencies and bugs. In

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
[EMAIL PROTECTED], if you read that: Fix your mail setup, I'm not interested in getting double mails from whatever setup you have there. Thanks] * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-17 11:36]: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 06:46:26PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Do we call RMS a Debian

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:54:36PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides which, do you honestly know which packages other Debian derivatives rebuild? As a rule, they are far less communicative about their practices than Ubuntu. How does the

Re: Mirror split stuff

2006-01-18 Thread Olleg Samoylov
I am afraid, in such split packages with arch all will be duplicated in all architectures. IMHO, there are only two solutions: Move every arch in separate directory/server, and arch all too. Or havely use hard links, like in debian-amd64 port. The second solution looked worse, because don't

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 00:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 02:59:58AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: It's also about false statements like We sync our packages to Debian regularly, because that simply doesn't happen for quite a lot of us, otherwise all these heated

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Hood
Steve Langasek wrote: Given that python-minimal is Essential: yes in Ubuntu, the *only* use for this package in Debian (given that there would be no packages in the wild that depend on it -- the definition of Essential is that you don't need to depend on it) is if we make it Essential: yes as

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Riku Voipio
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 11:01, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-17 11:36]: So again you are saing it's the Debian Developer's job to look around Yes it is. and you shouldn't restrict yourself to ubuntu, checking what other Debian derivates, Fedora,

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:47:35AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/17/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) No changes rebuild-only upload should still be versionned so that we do not end up with two .deb with the same version but different contents. Rebuilding a package with a

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/18/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:47:35AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/17/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) No changes rebuild-only upload should still be versionned so that we do not end up with two .deb with the same

udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Davide Natalini
Hi all I'm trying to get static naming for my network interfaces with udev, without success. the system is debian sarge based, with udev version 0.076-6 and kernel 2.6.14-7-686-smp on a P4. the network interfaces are a realtek 8139 integrated in the motherboard (eth0) and a 3com pci (eth1)

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * 1 FETCH (BODY[TEXT] {1008} On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Otavio Salvador wrote: In my point of view, maintainer field just need to be change when Ubuntu does a non-trivial change on it. Otherwise, at least to me, is OK to leave the maintainer field unchanged.

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
[don't be confused about the To header, this is merly just for testing a propable b0rked setup] * Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-18 10:26]: Mr Zimmerman's reference to Kennedy is an excellent example of such a metaphorical construct. When Kennedy said that, there will undoubtedly

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
Davide Natalini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all I'm trying to get static naming for my network interfaces with udev, without success. As far as I can tell, network interface names are given by the kernel and they've nothing to do with udev. To get a stable naming you should use some package

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.18.1254 +0100]: As far as I can tell, network interface names are given by the kernel and they've nothing to do with udev. To get a stable naming you should use some package like ifrename. ifrename is a hack and needed for

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 18, Davide Natalini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the system is debian sarge based, with udev version 0.076-6 and kernel Just to be sure, I suggest you upgrade your version of udev. usually the two interfaces are named the wrong way, but sometimes they are named fine. IOW, renaming is not

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 18, Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, network interface names are given by the kernel and they've nothing to do with udev. Obviously you have no clue about udev (nor about proper quoting). -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:41:58AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 00:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Given that you saw this on a wiki page, a disclaimer about wiki contents should be implicit. However, regardless of whether it's an accurate quote, it's quite

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Otavio Salvador wrote: But linked against other libraries. The binary is downloaded from another location(or installed from a different cd set). The program used to do the download may be different. Using this as rule, then all Debian CDD distributions would need to

Bug#348683: ITP: libfcgi-procmanager-perl -- Functions for managing FastCGI applications.

2006-01-18 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libfcgi-procmanager-perl Version : 0.17 Upstream Author : James Jurach [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL :

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Hood
beside the fact that I find useful to name eth0 the realtek and eth1 the other, there is a casuality in the naming process that I cannot remove If you want to avoid racing with the kernel then you should choose stable names from another namespace than the one that the kernel uses. Suggestion:

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Bill Allombert
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:06:19PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/18/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:47:35AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/17/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) No changes rebuild-only upload should still be

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Peter Mathiasson
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:06:19PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/18/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:47:35AM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/17/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) No changes rebuild-only upload should still be

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/18/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As pointed out several times, the source package in the ubuntu archive is NOT different to the source package in the debian archive. The binary package have been rebuilt in an different environment, which can caus different dependencies

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In case of CDDs, the only exception is it isn't build against other libraries but it is installed by different cd set and downloaded from another location in many cases. If it is a CDD than it is installed from a Debian mirror and nothing else.

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Otavio Salvador wrote: Debian-EDU is available in Debian but also outside of it since they Well, that's a temporary hack until we have implemented solutions which makes this superfluous. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 18, Thomas Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to avoid racing with the kernel then you should choose stable names from another namespace than the one that the kernel uses. Suggestion: Use 'eth_0' and 'eth_1' instead of 'eth0' and 'eth1'. Md: Or is there something in udevd now

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Hood
In any case I am hoping to see python-minimal included in Debian. I now see that it is already in sid. :) $ apt-cache madison python-minimal python-minimal |2.3.5-5 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org sid/main Packages -- Thomas Hood -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

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2006-01-18 Thread Sharenknapp
please remove me from callwave, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. thank you. sharenknapp. 956 464 3214.

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 03:07:25PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: You're already rebuilding the package, which I expect entails possible Depends: line changes and other things which would pretty clearly 'normally' entail different Debian package

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Stephen Frost
* Matt Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:34:33AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: FWIW, I think your implied assumption that all Debian derivatives should be treated the same is flawed. Ubuntu is just not like any other derivative, it's a significant operation on

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Hood
Md wrote: SuSE uses some scripts to handle persistent interface names [...] I had no time yet to investigate the details. I just looked at the rename_netiface script in that package. The following comments in the script give an idea of how it handles the race problem. # look for a network

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/17/06, Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it is, to me, Ubuntu is just a group of people, some of which might have names[1]. I find it hard to work with such a thing; while I would love to work more closely with Ubuntu, the lack of personality is what's holding me back---and I'm

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:38:29PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:09:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Since you are rebuilding the package, you *must* change the version number *anyway*. It is

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Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Wednesday, 18 January 2006 11:30, Riku Voipio wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 11:01, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-17 11:36]: So again you are saing it's the Debian Developer's job to look around Yes it is. and you shouldn't restrict yourself to

Bug#348728: ITP: php-net-imap -- PHP PEAR module implementing IMAP protocol

2006-01-18 Thread Steffen Joeris
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Steffen Joeris [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: php-net-imap Version : 1.0.3 Upstream Author : Damian Alejandro Fernandez Sosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pear.php.net/package/Net_IMAP * License : php license

unsuscribe

2006-01-18 Thread Georg Leugner
Am Mittwoch, den 18.01.2006, 06:02 -0800 schrieb Sergio Talens-Oliag: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.7 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:38:08 +0100 Source: gnome-u2ps Binary: gnome-u2ps Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.0.4-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 18 janvier 2006 à 18:07 +0100, Martin Schulze a écrit : Andrew Suffield has lost his posting permission to debian-devel-announce after making a rather sarcastic point that off-topic mails to this list are unwanted. Sorry to feed again the troll, but I would like to know what is the

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Mike Bird
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 05:29, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Oh. There might be a misunderstanding: No binary package is taken from debian, only source packages. This means that EVERY package is being rebuilt in ubuntu on buildds, including arch: all packages. The output of apt-cache shows the field

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:44:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Sorry to feed again the troll, but I would like to know what is the rationale behind removing the permissions for Andrew and not for Raphaël. This has nothing to do with the technical aspects of Debian development (too bad the

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Brian Nelson
Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/18/06, Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As pointed out several times, the source package in the ubuntu archive is NOT different to the source package in the debian archive. The binary package have been rebuilt in an different

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh. There might be a misunderstanding: No binary package is taken from debian, only source packages. This means that EVERY package is being rebuilt in ubuntu on buildds, including arch: all packages. The output of apt-cache shows the field 'Origin'

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:54:36PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides which, do you honestly know which packages other Debian derivatives rebuild? As a rule, they are far less communicative about

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Dave Holland
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:44:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Raphaël has also harmed the project by implicitly linking it to Ubuntu. Don't be ridiculous. Ubuntu explicitly acknowledge that they build on Debian - see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship - and Debian positively

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10538 March 1977, Martin Schulze wrote: The charter for this list says: Announcements for developers. The charter for -private reads Private discussions among developers: only for issues that may not be discussed on public lists. Anything sent there should be treated as sensitive and not to

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:21 +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: Given that python-minimal is Essential: yes in Ubuntu, the *only* use for this package in Debian (given that there would be no packages in the wild that depend on it -- the definition of Essential is that you

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 16:54, Matt Zimmerman wrote: You have not ever shown a serious interest in what Debian would like. This is, again, insulting, and nonsensical in the face of the repeated dialogues I have initiated and participated in with

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm in line with David. Thomas, if you care about the topic, you must be interested in convincing the one who can make a change on Ubuntu's policy. And the person in question is Matt. If you scare your only interlocutor with Ubuntu, then you can be

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:25:07PM +, Dave Holland wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:44:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Raphaël has also harmed the project by implicitly linking it to Ubuntu. Don't be ridiculous. Ubuntu explicitly acknowledge that they build on Debian - see

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Michael Poole
Joerg Jaspert writes: On 10538 March 1977, Martin Schulze wrote: The charter for this list says: Announcements for developers. The charter for -private reads Private discussions among developers: only for issues that may not be discussed on public lists. Anything sent there should be

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/18/06, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 05:29, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Oh. There might be a misunderstanding: No binary package is taken from debian, only source packages. This means that EVERY package is being rebuilt in ubuntu on buildds, including arch: all

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Otavio Salvador
Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Otavio Salvador wrote: Debian-EDU is available in Debian but also outside of it since they Well, that's a temporary hack until we have implemented solutions which makes this superfluous. But exist! -- O T A V I OS A

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias
Hello! martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also sprach Emilio Jesús Gallego Arias [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.18.1254 +0100]: As far as I can tell, network interface names are given by the kernel and they've nothing to do with udev. To get a stable naming you should use some package

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joerg Jaspert writes: On 10538 March 1977, Martin Schulze wrote: Since this mail also mentions Andrews sarcastic posting http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg9.html I may lose posting permissions as well. You should lose

make-kpkg fails, Bug?

2006-01-18 Thread Alejandro Bonilla Beeche
Hi, I just did an upgrade on Sid and an upgrade on Linus tree. Since then, I can't create a kernel-image. gcc version 4.0.3 20060115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-7) Package: kernel-package Version: 10.032 I just would love to know if we should set a bug on kernel-package (AFAIK, that is the

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Erinn Clark
* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006:01:18 20:23 +0100]: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joerg Jaspert writes: On 10538 March 1977, Martin Schulze wrote: Since this mail also mentions Andrews sarcastic posting

Re: Bug#348728: ITP: php-net-imap -- PHP PEAR module implementing IMAP protocol

2006-01-18 Thread Charles Fry
* Package name: php-net-imap Version : 1.0.3 Upstream Author : Damian Alejandro Fernandez Sosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pear.php.net/package/Net_IMAP * License : php license You should be aware that per the current REJECT_FAQ [1] your package

Re: Bug#348728: ITP: php-net-imap -- PHP PEAR module implementing IMAP protocol

2006-01-18 Thread Steffen Joeris
You should be aware that per the current REJECT_FAQ [1] your package will be automatically rejected because it uses the PHP License. Several weeks ago I emailed the FTP Masters[2], requesting that they accept the PHP Licence for all PHP Group software, backed up by extensive debian-legal

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Erinn Clark
* Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006:01:18 14:54 -0500]: This thread is a huge waste of bandwidth. Can't you boys compare pickles somewhere else? This gets, (what's the expression?) a big ole fat PLONK. Sorry sweetie, I'm not a boy and have no pickle to compare. -- off the chain like a

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Mike Bird
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:04, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/18/06, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What please is the difference between a buildX package and all the other packages that were rebuilt without the buildX annotation? It is quite similar to what debian calls a binary NMU, but

Re: make-kpkg fails, Bug?

2006-01-18 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Alejandro Bonilla Beeche wrote: Hi, I just did an upgrade on Sid and an upgrade on Linus tree. Since then, I can't create a kernel-image. gcc version 4.0.3 20060115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-7) Package: kernel-package Version: 10.032 I just would love to know if

Re: For those who care about debian-devel-announce

2006-01-18 Thread Brendan
This thread is a huge waste of bandwidth. Can't you boys compare pickles somewhere else? This gets, (what's the expression?) a big ole fat PLONK. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 04:09:50PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Notice that what you say, in response to what has been asked over and over, is my opinion is that changing the Maintainer field on otherwise-unmodified source packages is too costly

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:29, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are recompiled.

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-18 Thread Dallam Wych
On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:03PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 06:28 -0500, sean finney wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you think it achieves anything? There are other

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Otavio Salvador wrote: Well, that's a temporary hack until we have implemented solutions which makes this superfluous. But exist! Sure they exist, but the statement you made about the maintainer field was simply wrong, because it makes no sense to change the maintainer

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-18 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/18/06, Dallam Wych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 05:09:03PM -0600, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-15 at 06:28 -0500, sean finney wrote: On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote: Do you think your constant bitching is funny? Do you

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:41:58AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 00:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: The full quote is We sync our packages to Debian regularly, because that introduces the latest work, the latest upstream code, and the newest packaging efforts

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-18 Thread Dallam Wych
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:57:13PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: You ignore that a lot of them are part of the Debian community. This project would be better if people like you applied part of the imagination to contribute (at least) with useful comments. Rather, I think *you* missed my

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 05:29:40PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are recompiled. Actually, binary-only NMUs,

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:01:31AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-17 11:36]: I'm saying that you should pause and consider that you're looking at a world-writable resource before treating its contents as a position statement on behalf of the

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-18 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 1/18/06, Dallam Wych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:57:13PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: You ignore that a lot of them are part of the Debian community. This project would be better if people like you applied part of the imagination to contribute (at least) with

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you can speak to what tools we do or do not have. The fact is, we import most Debian source packages unmodified, and do not have any such tool for modifying them.

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 11:21:32AM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: Given that python-minimal is Essential: yes in Ubuntu, the *only* use for this package in Debian (given that there would be no packages in the wild that depend on it -- the definition of Essential is that

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 05:29:40PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you can speak to what tools we do or do not have. The fact is, we import most Debian source packages unmodified, and do

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:18:22AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh. There might be a misunderstanding: No binary package is taken from debian, only source packages. This means that EVERY package is being rebuilt in ubuntu on buildds,

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are recompiled. They obviously do. The version

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 11:21:32AM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote: Steve Langasek wrote: Given that python-minimal is Essential: yes in Ubuntu, the *only* use for this package in Debian (given that there would be no packages in the wild that depend on it

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:28:17PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you can speak to what tools we do or do not have.

Re: Andrew Suffield

2006-01-18 Thread Dallam Wych
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:19:55PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote: I'm glad that you contribute to Debian, you're part of the Debian community as some people that you're pointing that changed sides for a dollar. I'm sure that you don't know none of them, to say for sure. Please, stop the troll

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:43:53PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is something that Python upstream explicitly does not want; the only reason for creating python-minimal was so that it could be Essential: yes, not to support stripped-down

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:30:22PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 11:01, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: So you are saying it's the Debian Developer's job to pull changes from ubuntu back? If that is an official statement, then that would be useful for a d-d-a mail so we are

Re: when and why did python(-minimal) become essential?

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can't stop that; you can't say here's the package, but nobody should use it. Fortunately, no one attempted to do that. What we did do was discuss our plan with Python upstream and ensure that our treatment of the package satisfied their

D-I team January meeting MOVES AGAIN: Saturday January 28th 17:00UTC

2006-01-18 Thread Christian Perrier
The monthly Debian Installer team meeting which was initially scheduled for January 14th is reported to January 21st, as several D-I developers will attend the Extremadura session about the graphical installer development (http://wiki.debian.org/WorkSessionsExtremadura). And, sorry, the

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:18:22AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh. There might be a misunderstanding: No binary package is taken from debian, only source packages. This means that EVERY package is

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:57:51PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't agree. This isn't even the case within Debian. Binary-only NMUs don't modify the source package, even though the binaries are

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't you run wanna-build, buildd and sbuild? It is easy enough to change the maintainer field with that. Not in the source package, which is what was being discussed in that context. Huh? Actually, you'll find, they do! Please show me

Re: make-kpkg fails, Bug?

2006-01-18 Thread Alejandro Bonilla Beeche
Adam Heath wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Alejandro Bonilla Beeche wrote: Hi, I just did an upgrade on Sid and an upgrade on Linus tree. Since then, I can't create a kernel-image. gcc version 4.0.3 20060115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-7) Package: kernel-package Version: 10.032 I just

Bug#348775: general: terminal emulators' alternatives settings' priorities annoy users

2006-01-18 Thread Simon Richter
Package: general Severity: normal -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, The problem at hand is the proposed (and implemented) solution for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332223 . I'm unconvinced that bumping the priority on the other terminal emulators is an

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 02:47:05PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Ok, then I must have misunderstood something. So it is clear then that Ubuntu does recompile every package. To clarify explicitly: - Ubuntu does not use any binary packages from Debian - Most Ubuntu source packages are

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Davide Natalini
Philipp Matthias Hahn wrote: udevd uses ioctl(SIOCSIFNAME) to rename the devices. If you drivers are compiled in, the get assigned eth[01] during init, but udev is called much later. Renaming eth0 to eth1 will fail, because there already is an eth1 and vis versa. Consider using another name

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 19, Davide Natalini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe modifying mkinitramfs script to include udev in the initramfs could help? udev is already part of the initramfs, but its presence is not relevant. The options are: - use names which cannot be used by the kernel, or - help me cleaning up

Re: udev naming problems for eth*

2006-01-18 Thread Arjan Oosting
Op do, 19-01-2006 te 00:11 +0100, schreef Davide Natalini: Marco, this is useful indeed, but the problem remains: in the debian standard kernel the 8138too and 3c59x drivers are both modules, and both are present in the initramfs. If they are loaded and get the kernel name before udev starts

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread John Hasler
mdz writes: It is considered to be in poor taste to report bugs to bugs.debian.org which have not been verified on Debian... I should think that in most cases by the time you've produced a patch that fixes a bug in an Ubuntu package you would be able to tell whether or not the bug is likely to

Re: make-kpkg fails, Bug?

2006-01-18 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Alejandro Bonilla Beeche wrote: What does /bin/sh point to? Could you please explain what is exactly what you need to check? ls -l /bin/sh In other words, what does /bin/sh point to? What shell is /bin/sh? bash? zsh(gods no)? posh? dash? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-18 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On 1/18/06, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:04, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On 1/18/06, Mike Bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What please is the difference between a buildX package and all the other packages that were rebuilt without the buildX annotation? It is

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