Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >You are a package manager, not a "standard" user. You should have a lot >of differnt JDK installed anyway to be ably to very bug reports so >what's the problem with on specific JDK in build dependencies? Almost half of the bugs/mails about eclipse ended in t

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >You are a package manager, not a "standard" user. You should have a lot >of differnt JDK installed anyway to be ably to very bug reports so >what's the problem with on specific JDK in build dependencies? Almost half of the bugs/mails about eclipse ended in t

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Jan Schulz wrote: I'm doing it all the time: I'm running woody and I have specified deb ... stable deb-src ... unstable You are a package manager, not a "standard" user. You should have a lot of differnt JDK installed anyway to be ably to very bug reports so what's the problem with on specific JD

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >>I've had a look at this bug and I thing we should not fource a >>specific javac or java at our users. If they don't want to download a >>BD JDK, then this should be made possible. >It is just for building the package. I don't think that most users will >rebui

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Jan Schulz wrote: I've had a look at this bug and I thing we should not fource a specific javac or java at our users. If they don't want to download a BD JDK, then this should be made possible. It is just for building the package. I don't think that most users will rebuild the Java packages, espec

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Jan Schulz wrote: I'm doing it all the time: I'm running woody and I have specified deb ... stable deb-src ... unstable You are a package manager, not a "standard" user. You should have a lot of differnt JDK installed anyway to be ably to very bug reports so what's the problem with on specific J

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >>Excellent! ;) Can I copy/paste it in mine? ;) I've also just inherited this code... :) >I've written this code 2 years ago when Blackdown changed their >JAVA_HOME in the j2sdk1.3 packages from /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 to >/usr/lib/j2se/1.3 so packages could be bu

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >>I've had a look at this bug and I thing we should not fource a >>specific javac or java at our users. If they don't want to download a >>BD JDK, then this should be made possible. >It is just for building the package. I don't think that most users will >rebui

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >Jan Schulz wrote: >In eclipse? I think #197484 is a perfect example why this is bad and why >you should use one specific JDK version. Yep, that one was bad. But I don't think that I want to install a specific JDK just for compiling. OK, I've curently 5 JDKs i

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Excellent! ;) Can I copy/paste it in mine? ;) No, please don't! I've written this code 2 years ago when Blackdown changed their JAVA_HOME in the j2sdk1.3 packages from /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 to /usr/lib/j2se/1.3 so packages could be build with both versions (see #122584). It ist

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Jan Schulz wrote: I've had a look at this bug and I thing we should not fource a specific javac or java at our users. If they don't want to download a BD JDK, then this should be made possible. It is just for building the package. I don't think that most users will rebuild the Java packages, espe

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Jan Schulz wrote: I'm currently using this line to get 'java' in debian/rules: jdk_dirs=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.3 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 JAVA_HOME ?= $(shell for jdir in $(jdk_dirs) ; do if [ -d "$$jdir" ]; \ then echo \ $$jdir;exit 0;fi;done) In eclipse? I think #197484 is a

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I'm currently using this line to get 'java' in debian/rules: > jdk_dirs=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.3 > /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 > JAVA_HOME ?= $(shell for jdir in $(jdk_dirs) ; do if [ -d "$$jdir" ]; \ > then echo \ > $$jdir;exit 0;fi

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >>Excellent! ;) Can I copy/paste it in mine? ;) I've also just inherited this code... :) >I've written this code 2 years ago when Blackdown changed their >JAVA_HOME in the j2sdk1.3 packages from /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 to >/usr/lib/j2se/1.3 so packages could be bu

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Arnaud, * Arnaud Vandyck wrote: >Stefan Gybas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What are the possible values of JAVA_HOME where you want to use >something different from Blackdown's or Sun's JDK? There are a lot IMO: The values, where mpkg-j2sdk puts the JDKs, /usr/local... and so on. I

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Stefan, * Stefan Gybas wrote: >Jan Schulz wrote: >In eclipse? I think #197484 is a perfect example why this is bad and why >you should use one specific JDK version. Yep, that one was bad. But I don't think that I want to install a specific JDK just for compiling. OK, I've curently 5 JDKs i

Re: additions to java-policy

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Ben, * Ben Burton wrote: >> I agree with this. IMO a java jar should be handled the same as a >> binary lib ad should get API Version (~SONAME) included in its name. >The problem is that many java libraries don't have a concept of an API >version / soname. All you can guarantee to get is a

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Arnaud Vandyck wrote: Excellent! ;) Can I copy/paste it in mine? ;) No, please don't! I've written this code 2 years ago when Blackdown changed their JAVA_HOME in the j2sdk1.3 packages from /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 to /usr/lib/j2se/1.3 so packages could be build with both versions (see #122584). It i

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Jan Schulz wrote: I'm currently using this line to get 'java' in debian/rules: jdk_dirs=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.3 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 JAVA_HOME ?= $(shell for jdir in $(jdk_dirs) ; do if [ -d "$$jdir" ]; \ then echo \ $$jdir;exit 0;fi;done) In eclipse? I think #197484 is

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > I'm currently using this line to get 'java' in debian/rules: > jdk_dirs=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 /usr/lib/j2se/1.3 /usr/lib/j2sdk1.3 > JAVA_HOME ?= $(shell for jdir in $(jdk_dirs) ; do if [ -d "$$jdir" ]; \ > then echo \ > $$jdir;exit 0;fi;do

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Arnaud, * Arnaud Vandyck wrote: >Stefan Gybas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What are the possible values of JAVA_HOME where you want to use >something different from Blackdown's or Sun's JDK? There are a lot IMO: The values, where mpkg-j2sdk puts the JDKs, /usr/local... and so on. I

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Andrew Pimlott wrote: You might want official builds to always use the same compiler, but there's no reason not to make it convenient for others to use their preferred compiler. Especially when the preferred compiler is proprietary. We should be moving away from hard-coding knowledge about the co

Re: additions to java-policy

2003-07-29 Thread Jan Schulz
Hallo Ben, * Ben Burton wrote: >> I agree with this. IMO a java jar should be handled the same as a >> binary lib ad should get API Version (~SONAME) included in its name. >The problem is that many java libraries don't have a concept of an API >version / soname. All you can guarantee to get is a

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:13:47PM +0200, Stefan Gybas wrote: > That's exactly the purpose. A build dependency for a JVM should be > specific, see http://pkg-java.alioth.debian.org/building.html for the > reasons. You might want official builds to always use the same compiler, but there's no rea

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Stefan Gybas
Andrew Pimlott wrote: You might want official builds to always use the same compiler, but there's no reason not to make it convenient for others to use their preferred compiler. Especially when the preferred compiler is proprietary. We should be moving away from hard-coding knowledge about the c

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Andrew Pimlott
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 07:13:47PM +0200, Stefan Gybas wrote: > That's exactly the purpose. A build dependency for a JVM should be > specific, see http://pkg-java.alioth.debian.org/building.html for the > reasons. You might want official builds to always use the same compiler, but there's no rea

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Stefan Gybas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Bonniot wrote: > > It's best to have both options. Otherwise it forces every package to > > build-depend on a specific JVM, even though some might work with any > > JVM. > > That's exactly the purpose. A build dependency for a JVM should be > sp

Re: Bug#203187: ITP: charva -- java windowing toolkit for text terminals

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Daniel Bonniot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I was playing with this a few weeks ago. It's a shame it doesn't support > >mouse or keyboard. > > > Taken from their main webpage: > CHARVA now also has mouse support on terminal-emulators that report > mouse events, such as "xterm" and "PuTTY > <

Re: Bug#203148: ITP: libi18n-java -- internationalization library for java

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: [...] > > Description : internationalization library for java > > This library is needed by ArgoUML. > That's no excuse for not writing a proper description. Have you seen the website?! ;) OK, I'll work on a

Re: [PROPOSAL] dh_ant

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Stefan Gybas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Bonniot wrote: > > It's best to have both options. Otherwise it forces every package to > > build-depend on a specific JVM, even though some might work with any > > JVM. > > That's exactly the purpose. A build dependency for a JVM should be > sp

Re: Bug#203187: ITP: charva -- java windowing toolkit for textterminals

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Daniel Bonniot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I was playing with this a few weeks ago. It's a shame it doesn't support > >mouse or keyboard. > > > Taken from their main webpage: > CHARVA now also has mouse support on terminal-emulators that report > mouse events, such as "xterm" and "PuTTY > <

Re: Bug#203148: ITP: libi18n-java -- internationalization libraryfor java

2003-07-29 Thread Arnaud Vandyck
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Arnaud Vandyck wrote: [...] > > Description : internationalization library for java > > This library is needed by ArgoUML. > That's no excuse for not writing a proper description. Have you seen the website?! ;) OK, I'll work on a