Re: KDE Packagers - What's the plan/roadmap/future timescale?

for it ;) Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info

Re: What are Chris and Daniel actually going to do now?

what I propose, but mine is more improved. There is something that I omitted; I will write it later. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F

Why did I suggest /usr/lib/kde3 or /opt/kde3? (Re: What are Chris and Daniel actually going to do now?)

KDE2 user in anyway as it stands, so please don't be confused by what's being discussed. Regards, [*] I mean it, Charles is one guy who has wisdom. - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key

Re: KDE filesystem structure

variable. Thanks, -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C

Re: Interpreting FHS

) I don't want my frigging /opt namespace cluttered. I don't have anything there, but if we jump, EVERYONE will follow. We are not jumping. So be it. Then, review my suggestion for KDE3 that makes more sense for those who wouldn't like /opt. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Why did I suggest /usr/lib/kde3 or /opt/kde3? (Re: What are Chris and Daniel actually going to do now?)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 January 2002 01:24, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: That's all that is needed! Something is left out. What do we do with binaries? I think binaries should stay in /usr/lib/kde3/bin, and linked to /usr/bin. Maybe /usr/bin/X11 would

Re: Fix for KDE source distributions

my earlier posts re: location of docs etc. someone has also mentioned the move of config files to /etc/kde2, which this should also work around). That's certainly not a good idea James... There is a utility to find those dirs on a KDE installation, remember? Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

now, it's enough. The /usr/share/kde change that calc said he's going to make should be enough. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:42, Daniel Stone wrote: Have you even talked to Chris privately about this? I think on IRC today. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

, it's insane. A desktop environment should be usable on a low-end system. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

replies to debian-kde too, or Cc: me. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

-on. As stated in section 3.8, distributions can install software in /opt in accordance with FHS. Moreover, this is an established practice as emphasized in FHS standard text. Sincerely, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

/bin in $PATH? Imagine how large $PATH will grow if everyone follows our precedent. KDE is not that much of a special case. Excuse me? Supporting /opt properly in debian was a point I made in no relation to KDE packaging. I think you have missed it. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

software packages are split into subpackages. - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 January 2002 20:04, Junichi Uekawa wrote: Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] cum veritate scripsit: Prior to saying that, you should have read the relevant section in policy, seeing that it simply delegates all responsibility

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

party although there is not the slightest implication of such a thing in FHS itself. For people who are more seriously interested in the interpetation of FHS, I invite you to thoroughly read the standard and state your opinions. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

according to GNU Coding Standards. As a matter of fact, KDE also obeys GNU Coding Standards to some extent but it is a very large system and therefore many kde developers feel that it deserves its own directory; somewhat like X11. That's all. Regards, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

such a clarification is needed since there is a dangling ambiguity. I think your message wraps up the discussion. Thanks again. Regards, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 January 2002 21:47, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Actually the FHS permits use of /opt by distributions you mean. Please add it to the policy if you have a logical rationale but then we will have to drop FHS compliance from the list

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

addition to FHS that clarifies the situation for once and all? Regards, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

/kde3 change right now, but I don't have the time for the huge build and test process; I have an important deadline approaching... :/ I will try to do the necessary changes (if Chris hasn't done them yet) when I become available. Regards, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

is frozen, as it should be. Take the issue back up after woody releases. Ah, sure. It's frozen already. I must append another line to the never finishing TODO list. :) Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 17 January 2002 23:28, Daniel Stone wrote: [1]: Well, actually they're right, but I don't want to say that in public. Of course they are right to some extent, but I had to reserve it for a footnote. Cheers, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa

Re: [kde] setting an /opt precedent

had volunteered for kdemultimedia a long time ago since I am developing for kde multimedia player... Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F

Re: KDE filesystem structure

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 15 January 2002 23:05, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Why would a package having its own special subdirectories violate Debian Policy? That is very common practice and it's a good thing for even small codes. What exactly do you mean? Show me

Re: KDE filesystem structure

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:59, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: So /usr/share/apps violates FHS policy? That does not seem to be the case IIRC. Show me the policy in FHS and I will submit a serious bug to all KDE packages. Type mismatch here. You

Re: KDE filesystem structure

how they should make debian KDE3 packages. I think an example kde-hello package might make sense. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F

Re: KDE filesystem structure

your neck. Heh, my previous mail can only be attributed to cheap drugs. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C

Re: KDE filesystem structure

that with the use of more advanced kernels. Thanks, [*] So every package looks like X11. Packaging system's responsibility is making sure that the system is consistent and in a working state rather than showing you which file is stored where... - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept

Interpreting FHS

hat or debian. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux

Re: KDE filesystem structure

for the system administrator. Before you give an answer to this, please read the mail I mentioned, and section 3.8 in complete. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C

Re: Interpreting FHS

of KDE cluttering the whole filesystem namespace (such as /usr/share/x) Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN

Re: KDE filesystem structure

are identical. Eh. Still there is the case of a small software package with several files and directories. Most of my own programs are like that I believe. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key

Re: Interpreting FHS

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 16 January 2002 20:25, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: up just in debian. And may I add that KDE hackers loathe the debian packaging somehow? [*] There is some major misunderstanding there, some [*] This is my impression from conversations

Re: KDE filesystem structure

the policy in FHS and I will submit a serious bug to all KDE packages. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP

Re: KDE filesystem structure

subdirs is required when there are too many files rather than the total size of files exceeding a threshold. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B

Re: KDE filesystem structure

thing for even small codes. What exactly do you mean? Show me the section please. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C

Re: KDE filesystem structure

in any case, it is major brain damage. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: Fwd: Re: KDE filesystem structure

third party people who caused the insensible kde directory layout. - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: KDE filesystem structure

/opt/kde3, If it's not Debian it's CRAP! :-) Oh and btw, /usr/X11R6 and /usr/games were both UNIX traditions from before Linux and were grandfathered in to the FHS. They really shouldn't exist. Yes.. It does look inconsistent. Regards, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci

Re: KDE filesystem structure

. However, we do install files where they belong (ro arch indep files in /usr/share/kde3, libraries in /usr/lib etc) so that everything is FHS compliant and we keep feeling warm and fuzzy. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http

Re: KDE filesystem structure

since it might involve co-ordination from application developers. Any thoughts? Thanks for reading (sorry so long ;) James - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0

Re: KDE filesystem structure

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Daniel, On Tuesday 15 January 2002 03:25, Daniel Stone wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:44:29AM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: Hi James, Your reasoning is right. KDE filesystem layout on debian systems is terrible, and it is not what

Re: KDE filesystem structure

. Surely. Chris, Harlequin and I should get together and discuss whatever changes might be useful. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jan 4, 2002

on KDE CVS together. So that whoever the build guy is in debian, he can just wrap and go. What matters is that the stuff works for you people. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key

Re: Adopting these packages

to help. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment

Re: following 2.2.2

release. -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C

Re: kde 3.0

to be working Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment

Re: kde 3.0

quite soon. beta1 is already tagged, and I think it's really going to be cool when it comes out. Thanks, -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07

Re: bug reporting behavior

? Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment

bug reporting behavior

/system bugs. Why was this change made? I'd at least like to have the option to report to KDE BTS. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F

Flash again (Re: Flash Konqueror -- Coexistence in Question)

/ShockwaveFlash.class: /usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6/ShockwaveFlash.class: invalid ELF header - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN

Re: KDE 3?

KDE2.2. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment

Grokking KDE installation (Re: KDE directory layout)

to do it. IMHO for large subsystems it's better to use a directory layout like this. And there are packages that do similar organization in debian. Comments welcome, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG

How to bork KDE2

of archives. After unpacking 34.7MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Don't try it. :P To get back to a running system, you have to remove these, and then --remove - --force-all kdelibs3 and then reinstall kdelibs3. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept

KDE directory layout

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi people, I really think KDE 2.x ought to go into /usr/lib/kde2 and KDE3.x into /usr/lib/kde3 (or a finer-grained directory organization /usr/share/kde2, etc.) What do you think? Thanks in advance, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: KDE directory layout

suggest we give them proper support and really have a kde-cvs-dev working for the bees in the nest. Regards, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F

What is your experience with KDE3.0 alpha1?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Could any of you summarize his experience with KDE 3.0 Alpha1? How stable/usable is it? Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key

file conflict in kdelibs4

koffice-libs Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux

Re: file conflict in kdelibs4

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 And btw, don't # dpkg --force-all --install kdelibs4... It botches KDE 2.x. Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C

Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot

idea, unless you have big characters in respect to resolution, i.e. a pixel does not matter any more. Otherwise you'll just get *unsharp/fading* edges - and that's exactly my definition of blur. It's a matter of taste it seems :) Cheers, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept

Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot

to. So, could you tell me about your font settings? Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot

with konsole but is it really better than fixed (misc). Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE