Re: Cypherpunks anti-License

2004-02-28 Thread D. Starner
On Feb 26, 2004, at 12:35, Branden Robinson wrote: Not true. Governments can (and have) passed legislation to yank a work out of the public domain and put it back under copyright. Anthony DeRobertis wrote in response: cough Mickey Mouse Copyright Extension Act cough No; the MMCEA (or

crypto in non-free (again)

2004-02-28 Thread Ian Beckwith
Hello. A month ago, I raised the question of whether the packages in non-us/non-free could move to non-free. The discussion died out before there was any consensus, so I'm raising it again. There are two packages in non-us/non-free, pgp5i and rsaref2. ckermit, which I am adopting, would also

Re: crypto in non-free (again)

2004-02-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ian Beckwith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040228 10:25]: If I understand things correctly, their licenses would permit the move (ie meet the EAR requirements) , and in the case of rsaref2 and pgp5i, the only thing holding them in non-us is the RSA patent, which I believe expired in September 2000.

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0. http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it DFSG-free? Hmm.. | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require

Re: crypto in non-free (again)

2004-02-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 09:18:03AM +, Ian Beckwith wrote: If I understand things correctly, their licenses would permit the move (ie meet the EAR requirements) , and in the case of rsaref2 and pgp5i, the only thing holding them in non-us is the RSA patent, which I believe expired in

Re: crypto in non-free (again)

2004-02-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 02:49:20PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 09:18:03AM +, Ian Beckwith wrote: If I understand things correctly, their licenses would permit the move (ie meet the EAR requirements) , and in the case of rsaref2 and pgp5i, the only thing

If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley
Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's licenses (GPL, LGPL, FDL) are licensed is much stricter than even the

Re: crypto in non-free (again)

2004-02-28 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: [pgp5] Besides, the Unix has a bug in the way it reads /dev/random that make keys generated by it non-secure. I think that bug has been fixed in 5.0-6: * Reading from /dev/random now really produces random data.

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Oleksandr Moskalenko
* Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-28 12:21:11 +]: Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0. http://opencontent.org/openpub/ Is it

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Amaya
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote: The GPL c are allowed to be copied only in full without any modifications. Yes, we should put the GPL itself in non-free, and all the rest of Debian in contrib :-) -- .''`. Y al final, números rojos, en la cuenta del olvido : :' :

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 09:58, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote: Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040228 16:10]: The GPL c are allowed to be copied only in full without any modifications. Legally spoken, if some code is under whatever license, then nothing of the license is removable by anyone except the copyright holder. In the special

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Walter Landry
Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's licenses

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 11:40:01AM -0500, Stephen Ryan wrote: It is clear to me that Debian has been proceeding with something roughly like the following: The legal documents (copyright notice, license) must be retained verbatim in order for all of us to avoid being sued into oblivion.

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le sam 28/02/2004 à 15:58, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley a écrit : Last year, when the controversy over whether the DFSG applies to documentation (in particular GNU-FDL-ed documentation), I meant to mention to someone (but promptly forgot) that the license under which the text of the FSF's

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-02-28 14:58:48 + Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the DFSG do apply to non-software -- has a descision been made on this? -- this would I think effectively stop Debian from distributing any GPLed work on a CD which conforms to the DFSG. The GPL on

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Walter Landry wrote: Actually, you are allowed to modify the license terms. You are just not allowed to modify the preamble. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifyGPL Not quite. There are two answers to this FAQ question on gnu.org, both in opposition to

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-28 12:21:11 +]: Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the | citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher and

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Sat, 2004-02-28 at 16:35, Don Armstrong wrote (quoting the GPL FAQ): I think the key line is this: (You can use the legal terms to make another license but it won't be the GNU GPL.) The legal terms are not copyrightable; this is the FSF admitting that, in a very oblique way. I believe the

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Stephen Ryan wrote: The legal terms are not copyrightable; In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all. Moreover, in Veeck v SBCCI we see that only federal, state and local laws are denied the protection of copyrights (in addition to the classes of works specificaly denied

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 08:04, MJ Ray wrote: The GPL on the CD is software. Absolutely, unequivocally, no debate on this one, right? Intention of Bruce Perens perhaps, intention of many others perhaps. I guess that gives anyone the right to claim this as uncontested fact. I think it's useful to

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The legal terms are not copyrightable; In some jurisdictions, perhaps, but not all. Indeed. I might be wrong here, but I think that one of the ways the Law Society in England prevents non-solicitors from taking work away from qualified lawyers is by

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Oleksander Moskalenko wrote: * Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-02-28 12:21:11 +]: Scripsit Oleksandr Moskalenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to package an html manual for the package I'm preparing. However, it's covered by the Open Publication License v 1.0.

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 04:52:34PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Traditionally d-l has suggested to folks with this problem that they use the GPL with explicit explanatory text explaining what they take preferred form for modification (i.e., source) to mean for their work (e.g., an electronic

Re: If DFSG apply to non-software, is GPL*L* incompatible with DFSG?

2004-02-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:07:15AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: I think it's useful to distinguish between software and documentation and probably licenses (as legal instruments) too. Licenses are also documentation (of themselves). House rule: anybody who wishes to distinguish between

Re: Is Open Publication License v1.0 compatible?

2004-02-28 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 04:52:34PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Traditionally d-l has suggested to folks with this problem that they use the GPL with explicit explanatory text explaining what they take preferred form for modification (i.e., source) to