Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Lewis Jardine
On Fri, 21 May 2004, Steve Langasek wrote: 8 bears a lot of resemblance to don't break the law clauses, which used to be considered DFSG free, but which now are increasingly not. By *whom*? I haven't seen anyone offer a solid argument that don't break the law clauses are acceptable, I don't

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Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 06:31:44PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: The only serious arguments I've seen (and given) for the GPL failing DFSG#1-9, as actually applied by d-legal, are the changelog and output spam requirements. Neither of those are relevant to copyleft at all, so this statement is

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 21 May 2004 18:31:44 -0400 Glenn Maynard wrote: Of course, the not comfortable in the message you replied to was referring to grandfathering, not to the freeness of the GPL, so it didn't really make much sense as a reply. Yes. Thank you for highlighting this (just in case it wasn't

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:06:22PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: I'd be much more happy if the GNU GPL were ruled DFSG-free on the basis of DFSG#1-9. That's it. I agree strongly with this sentiment. Thanks for expressing it, -- Raul

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:06:22PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: I'd be much more happy if the GNU GPL were ruled DFSG-free on the basis of DFSG#1-9. That's it. I agree, but I don't think we should force-fit it by modifying our interpretation of the DFSG or by being less strict than we are with

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 07:06:22PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: I'd be much more happy if the GNU GPL were ruled DFSG-free on the basis of DFSG#1-9. That's it. On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 03:52:15PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: I agree, but I don't think we should force-fit it by modifying our

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:03:06PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: DFSG#10 is a test to be applied to DFSG 1-9 interpretations. There's no point in being less strict in the interpretation of DFSG#10 than of the other clauses. Please don't speak as if this interpretation has consensus; you know that

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:03:06PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: DFSG#10 is a test to be applied to DFSG 1-9 interpretations. There's no point in being less strict in the interpretation of DFSG#10 than of the other clauses. On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:14:46PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: Please

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 06:35:24PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 05:03:06PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: DFSG#10 is a test to be applied to DFSG 1-9 interpretations. There's no point in being less strict in the interpretation of DFSG#10 than of the other clauses. On

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Raul Miller
What alternate interpretations have any plausibility? On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 06:46:37PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: That has already been discussed at length in this thread, so I have to assume that you're either not actually reading the thread, or that you're deliberately wasting my time.

Re: DFSG#10 [was: Re: Draft Debian-legal summary of the LGPL]

2004-05-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 03:18:05AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: A clause which says you must credit the original author using the following text, is not okay. That one neatly and clearly classifies the vast majority of the licenses we are confronted with (it's the counterpart to say WHAT you