Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 19:25, Johannes Berg wrote: During installation. How often does one install? Well, it does take a while :) Though when I installed mine, the So you have such a machine :) Could you please test, if those noisy fans are made silent with d-i RC1 and with the

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 15:09, Sven Luther wrote: currently shiping powerpc hardware are : IBM pseries : not really supported, patch sitting without comment since months, early work lost because of svn commit conflicts. raise the bug severity? which bug#, btw? Outstanding

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 15:45, Alex Fernandez wrote: One of the selling points of Free Software in general, and Debian in particular, is that the people doing the coding are the people in charge. Right. The people doing the vast majority of work on the debian-installer, which runs on

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:08:09PM +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit : Could you please test, if those noisy fans are made silent with d-i RC1 No need to test, they are not: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/11/msg00789.html with the current daily-builds and tell us the results. (You

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:08:09PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 19:25, Johannes Berg wrote: During installation. How often does one install? Well, it does take a while :) Though when I installed mine, the So you have such a machine :) Could you please

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:18:54PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 15:45, Alex Fernandez wrote: One of the selling points of Free Software in general, and Debian in particular, is that the people doing the coding are the people in charge. Right. The people

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 12:17:07PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 15:09, Sven Luther wrote: currently shiping powerpc hardware are : IBM pseries : not really supported, patch sitting without comment since months, early work lost because of svn commit

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 30 November 2006 12:20, Charles Plessy wrote: No need to test, they are not: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/11/msg00789.html Ok. I will add info about this in the errata then. On the other hand, I recommend to test wether they also stay silent on the installed

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:30, Sven Luther wrote: #394970: finish-install: [powerpc64] Add support for IBM serial I didn't, because [1, 2 3 - basically no time] And then you complain, that other people don't find the time to reply to the bugreport. Can't you imagine, that they

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 04:16:42PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:30, Sven Luther wrote: #394970: finish-install: [powerpc64] Add support for IBM serial I didn't, because [1, 2 3 - basically no time] And then you complain, that other people don't

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2006-11-30 18:05, Sven Luther wrote: On Thursday 30 November 2006 15:30, Sven Luther wrote: #394970: finish-install: [powerpc64] Add support for IBM serial I didn't, because [1, 2 3 - basically no time] And then you complain, that other people don't find the time to reply

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:21, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: * Holger, Frans and who others involved, could you please stop to reply to Sven's non-technical e-mail messages? It surely do not help anybody. Indeed, I did regret sending the previous mail in this thread to the list and

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-30 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2006-11-30 19:31, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:21, Fabio Tranchitella wrote: * Holger, Frans and who others involved, could you please stop to reply to Sven's non-technical e-mail messages? It surely do not help anybody. Indeed, I did regret sending

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Saturday 25 November 2006 23:08, Sven Luther wrote: Thank you for this, why could you not at least leave me alone ? Because you spread FUD about the debian-powerpc port and claim it's so broken it needs to be removed from etch?! joeyh accused me of delaying single-handledly the

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Johannes Berg
And really, loud fans are an issue, but they don't make the installer completly usuable (play some louder music during the 30mins of installations, whatever) for the minority of powerpc users with such a hardware, while there Clearly you belong to the majority who don't own such a machine.

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 10:37:40AM +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit : And really, loud fans are an issue, but they don't make the installer completly usuable (play some louder music during the 30mins of installations, whatever) for the minority of powerpc users with such a hardware Hi Holger,

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 10:37:40AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Saturday 25 November 2006 23:08, Sven Luther wrote: Thank you for this, why could you not at least leave me alone ? Because you spread FUD about the debian-powerpc port and claim it's so broken it needs to be removed

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Alex Fernandez
My humble opinion as an occassional user of Debian-powerpc. One of the selling points of Free Software in general, and Debian in particular, is that the people doing the coding are the people in charge. If this fails to happen then the decision process must be refined. I have not followed the

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sunday 26 November 2006 11:39, Johannes Berg wrote: And really, loud fans are an issue, but they don't make the installer completly usuable (play some louder music during the 30mins of installations, whatever) for the minority of powerpc users with such a hardware, while there

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Johannes Berg
Hi, During installation. How often does one install? Well, it does take a while :) Though when I installed mine, the installer didn't work at all yet because the kernel was too old so I built my own installer... I also occasionally hack the low level kernel code so I guess I simply don't count

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 07:25:27PM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: Hi, During installation. How often does one install? Holger, you should know i have installed that box maybe 4-5 times a day, and stayed in the installer a long time in order to investigate various bugs, including the infamous

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Johannes Berg
On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 23:11 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Indeed, but i guess that with etch now soon supporting 2.6.18 kernels, all apple powerpc hardware will be supported. At least this is one benefit of apple going over to intel :) Heh :) Johannes, actually this is a different issue,

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Otavio Salvador
Johannes Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 23:11 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Indeed, but i guess that with etch now soon supporting 2.6.18 kernels, all apple powerpc hardware will be supported. At least this is one benefit of apple going over to intel :) Heh :) Johannes,

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 08:39:26PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: Johannes Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 23:11 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Indeed, but i guess that with etch now soon supporting 2.6.18 kernels, all apple powerpc hardware will be supported. At least

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Otavio Salvador
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it's right and wrong. Those modules don't need to be available while booting but be loaded just after init is being run (I might be wrong here) but if I got right there's a problem on 2.6.18 kernel that doesn't instruct udev to load them and

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:10:19PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it's right and wrong. Those modules don't need to be available while booting but be loaded just after init is being run (I might be wrong here) but if I got right there's a problem

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Otavio Salvador
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. We could but it would add another package on archive while the fix is a simple change on initramfs itself. I don't think it's a good trade of. Well, the initramfs-tools is a hook based technology. We could add that hook to a package dependeded

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-26 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:33:19PM -0200, Otavio Salvador wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes. We could but it would add another package on archive while the fix is a simple change on initramfs itself. I don't think it's a good trade of. Well, the initramfs-tools is a

which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, summary for powerpc-users: _if_ you have serious problems with debian-powerpc working on your machine(s), please report them to the bug tracking system, so we can fix them. If you don't know how (or need a bit help), I'm glad to help on this. http://bugs.debian.org is a good starting point

which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, summary for powerpc-users: _if_ you have serious problems with debian-powerpc working on your machine(s), please report them to the bug tracking system, so we can fix them. If you don't know how (or need a bit help), I'm glad to help on this. http://bugs.debian.org is a good starting point :)

Re: which serious bugs exactly? (Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...)

2006-11-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Nov 25, 2006 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, Holger. Thank you for this, why could you not at least leave me alone ? And please tell me again, what have you done for powerpc lately ? Or for example during the month of marsch when i resigned and wished frans good luck

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-23 Thread Johannes Berg
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 08:08 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: would introduce the opportunity of supporting the Airport extreme card on machines on which the users kept an OSX system, or by asking them to insert the installation CD. Mmm, we can probably support that too, what is the problem ? I

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-23 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:36:38AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote: On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 08:08 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: would introduce the opportunity of supporting the Airport extreme card on machines on which the users kept an OSX system, or by asking them to insert the installation

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-23 Thread Johannes Berg
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 10:06 +0100, Sven Luther wrote: Ok, i see, i think the request is for automatically finding the OSX firmware, and using that. Yeah. I would gladly add an alternative .udeb which did just that, if someone with an OSX installation and the hardware in question did provide

if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Sven Luther
Hi, ... As some of you may have noticed, there is an ugly dispute going on between some few d-i team members (Frans Pop and Joey Hess mostly, but Geert and Holger also seem to support them), and which result in a over 6 month old dispute who is not even near to being resolved, despite numerous

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Jan Stedehouder
Hi to all, I am only a casual user of Debian on the PPC and hardly in a position to judge, to opinionate or to choose. It is easy to choose for the first one that speaks, but as my mother used to say: when two are fighting, two are to blame. Maybe my mother had the kind of simple wisdom that

[Fwd: Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...]

2006-11-22 Thread Fábio Rabelo
Sorry, but I disagree completely !!! I am an occasional user of Debian PPC too, just 3 machines right now . But I listen to this list for more than 4 years, and the ONLY one who contribute with usable patches do d-i IS exactly Mr. Sven Luther !!! Without him there is no such thing called

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Gunther Furtado
Hi all, I am just a two machines user (I use it every day, thought) of Debian PPC and theoreticaly I tend to agree with Jan Stedehouderwrote but in this particular real life case I believe Fabio Rabelo is absolutely wrigth: Without Sven Luther there is no Debian PPC. cheers Gunther

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:34:54PM +0100, Jan Stedehouder wrote: Hi to all, I am only a casual user of Debian on the PPC and hardly in a position to judge, to opinionate or to choose. It is easy to choose for the first one that speaks, but as my mother used to say: when two are fighting,

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Børge Holen
I wish I had more to contribute with, I've used d.i. like 3 times a year(s) ago. Never cared much 'bout the installers nor do I know what the developers stands for or do. But this seems to get a bit out hand... * grow up will ya'll * On Wednesday 22 November 2006 18:00, Sven Luther wrote:

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Børge Holen
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 21:49, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:34:54PM +0100, Jan Stedehouder wrote: Hi to all, I am only a casual user of Debian on the PPC and hardly in a position to judge, to opinionate or to choose. It is easy to choose for the first one that

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Jan Stedehouder
Sven Luther schreef: On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 08:34:54PM +0100, Jan Stedehouder wrote: Hi to all, I am only a casual user of Debian on the PPC and hardly in a position to judge, to opinionate or to choose. It is easy to choose for the first one that speaks, but as my mother used to say:

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 10:32:36PM +0100, Jan Stedehouder wrote: If such is the case, there is a substantiated blame and matters can be decided. One way to achieve this is by appointing a group of independent arbiters that look into the matter, where both parties can present their case and

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Jan Stedehouder
Torrance schreef: On 23/11/2006, at 10:32 AM, Jan Stedehouder wrote: One way to achieve this is by appointing a group of independent arbiters that look into the matter, where both parties can present their case and which can make a binding judgment. The judgment can be -correct if I am

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 06:00:48PM +0100, Sven Luther a écrit : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394971 #394971: rootskel: [powerpc64] load the fan control modules. Which was submited 29 days ago, with a patch and not commited. Bonjour Sven, it is claimed that the

Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

2006-11-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 09:57:43AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 06:00:48PM +0100, Sven Luther a écrit : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394971 #394971: rootskel: [powerpc64] load the fan control modules. Which was submited 29 days ago, with