Re: CD Debian Lenny

2015-10-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 01:54:09AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hi Art, > > I doubt you can buy a Lenny DVD these days. Your best bet is to find a > friend with a working DVD burner. > > After you've got a bootable DVD, take a look at the documentation that > Narcis Garcia linked to in his

Re: PowerPC notebooks

2015-10-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 02:49:13PM -0300, Breno Leitao wrote: > It seems a new a new 4-core 64-bits PPC laptop is coming. It will be using a > Freescale e6500 processor. > > http://www.powerpc-notebook.org/en/ > > This processor is based on V2.06 ISA, but it is still not clear for me if only >

Re: PowerPC notebooks

2015-10-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Oct 06, 2015 at 10:12:21PM +0300, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > (CC'ing the founder of the project, Roberto ) > > As I'm actually one of the people involved in my spare time in the > project, the truth is in the middle. It can run little-endian code, but > it does not have VSX, and its

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:01:31PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 18:47, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Opcode 'move_f_to_i4' missing from machine description file. I agree with its assessment, there's no OP_MOVE_F_TO_I4 in mono/mini/mini-ppc.c and no move_f_to_i4 in mono/mini/cpu

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:16:14PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 05:54:10PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:30:45PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 25/08/15 22:29, Lennart

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 05:54:10PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:30:45PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 25/08/15 22:29, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I had thought that could be it too. I certainly

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:47:09PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Well M=0 did no difference. I added -labels to the nunit-console.exe arguments which made it print each test name before running it to the output file and that allowed me to determine the hang

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 05:28:28PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 17:16, Lennart Sorensen wrote: And a patch that fixes that (since the double's stored in the table are little endian, they have to be endian swapped before being returned as a double). diff --git a/mscorlib

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 17:26, Lennart Sorensen wrote: And running the test suite as NOT root solved that. So now the only problem I see left in 'make mcs-do-tests' is getting stuck forever in one test: make[9]: Entering directory

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:05:30PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 20:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:01:31PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 18:47, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Opcode 'move_f_to_i4' missing from machine description file. I agree with its

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:50:46AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:46:41AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 04:45:54PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 25/08/15 16:34, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:31AM -0400

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:30:45PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 25/08/15 22:29, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I had thought that could be it too. I certainly haven't seen that particular problem so far. Are you simply running make or are you passing any arguments to configure or anything? I tried

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 05:54:10PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:30:45PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 25/08/15 22:29, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I had thought that could be it too. I certainly haven't seen that particular problem so far. Are you simply running make

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 05:14:55PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:05:30PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 20:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 07:01:31PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 18:47, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Opcode

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-26 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:47:07PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 26/08/15 22:44, Lennart Sorensen wrote: I managed to get failure 1 and 2 above to go away by changing the test slightly: diff --git a/mcs/class/corlib/Test/System/DateTimeTest.cs b/mcs/class/corlib/Test/System

Re: iceweasel 40.X.X PowerPC isn't available for Debian PPC32

2015-09-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 07:16:08PM +0200, Christian Zigotzky wrote: > Hi All, > > Iceweasel and Firefox 40.X.X PowerPC aren't available for all Ubuntu > flavours and for Debian with 32-bit userland currently. > > There are build problems: > > Iceweasel 40 build status: >

Re: iceweasel 40.X.X PowerPC isn't available for Debian PPC32

2015-09-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 07:24:48PM +0200, Christian Zigotzky wrote: > Hi All, > > Iceweasel and Firefox 40.X.X PowerPC aren't available for all Ubuntu > flavours and for Debian with 32-bit userland currently. > > There are build problems: > > Iceweasel 40 build status: >

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-09-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:48:54AM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: > If you can sign the CLA at https://cla.xamarin.com/ I can take care of > the patch process Well I looked at it and it would seem I can not. I am employed by someone, but they have nothing to do with me contributing patches to things

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 09:28:50PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Okay, now I'm confused? The point of that branch was it was the almost-working state, the compiler was one of the things not working properly! Let me try building from the branch afresh... Well if you want me to do a fresh pull again

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:16:15PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: On 25/08/15 22:01, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 09:28:50PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Okay, now I'm confused? The point of that branch was it was the almost-working state, the compiler was one of the things

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-09-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 03:42:03PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: > I can get things in under a "trivial" exception. One patch is in, the > other is stuck in "please rewrite this" hell @ > https://github.com/mono/referencesource/pull/16 - I'll try to get to it > when I have time, but I have a backlog of

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-09-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Sep 08, 2015 at 04:24:10PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: > 3.16.0-4-powerpc64 > > partch.debian.org, the porterbox where it fails: > cpu: POWER7 (architected), altivec supported > model: IBM,8231-E2B I am running on a 8231-E1C, so not very different. ... processor : 23

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-09-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 08:27:44AM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: > It's not the silicon - it failed on a G5 XServe as well > > It's not gcc - I did a successful build on gcc5. > > It's not the kernel version - it succeeded on a Mac Mini with > 3.16.0-4-powerpc... actually... You've been using a ppc64

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-09-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 03:13:56PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: > porpora has the same ppc64 kernel as partch, libc 2.19-19 > > That's an interesting idea. Try building from > http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mono/mono_4.0.4.1+dfsg-1.dsc > which bundles a matched monolite generated from its

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 08:58:22AM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Okay. At this point, I've tried testing on a different box I was generously offered access to, and it works as well as you indicate - so my suspicion is there is Something Weird(tm) on partch.debian.org. That's good, I think. I

Re: Potential Mono removal from 32-bit big endian PowerPC in next upload

2015-08-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 01:58:56PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 08:58:22AM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Okay. At this point, I've tried testing on a different box I was generously offered access to, and it works as well as you indicate - so my suspicion

Re: A proposal and a challenge

2015-12-02 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 12:39:00PM -0500, Joe Nosay wrote: > I know that everyone is familiar with the one laptop per child program; > and, that is good. Let's take it one step further. The debian team wants to > build a powerpc laptop. FreeBSD is working on the POWER8 with the PPC team. > The

Re: Debian PowerPC and PowerPC Notebook.

2015-12-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 06:09:28AM +, Fadi Osman wrote: > Hello, > I'm contacting you on the behalf of the PowerPC Notebook project > team.(http://www.powerpc-notebook.org) > As you might already know, we are a group of volunteers collaborating towards > building a notebook around the

Re: Debian PowerPC and PowerPC Notebook.

2015-12-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 01:35:42PM -0200, Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo wrote: > To access more physical memory? But sure, they could run a 64-bit kernel > with a 32-bit userspace. That's certainly how I have been running larger powerpc machines for years. > But since this is going to be used as

Re: Debian PowerPC and PowerPC Notebook.

2015-12-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 08:55:12PM +, Fadi Osman wrote: > Hello Len, > I am checking with the others before answering you questions. > But I remember one of the reasons is that we were worried that powerpc would > be eventually dropped in favor of ppc64 and ppc64el... Well I see very little

Re: Debian PowerPC and PowerPC Notebook.

2015-12-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 08:31:39PM +0100, Linux User #330250 wrote: > Running 32-bit vs. 64-bit on powerpc makes me wonder… Is there a > multilib version of Debian powerpc? Well there are packages like lib64readline5 and libc6-ppc64 which provide 64 bit libraries as part of 32bit debian powerpc.

Re: Debian 8 on Late 2005 G5, Graphics Issues

2015-12-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 07:25:54AM +1100, Peter Saisanas wrote: > Hi Rick, > > The only kernel i have in my google drive link that is more or less a > typical Debian kernel config with tweaks was the initial 3.18.16 kernel i > originally had available. IIRC, should be in the google shared drive

Re: Powermac g5 strange colors with gui

2016-01-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 04:45:16PM +0100, Richard Kuenz wrote: > Hello , > > can someone please help me to install Wheezy on a Powermac G5? > > > When i boot in open firmware > > and then do > > > boot cd:,install yaboot > > > it says alwys "cd not found" I was under the impression that

Re: Powermac g5 strange colors with gui

2015-12-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 04:05:07PM +0100, Linux User #330250 wrote: > I've got the same. It is the Original (2003) and "Late 2003". > I had trouble installing Debian on my PowerMac7,2 as I wanted a 64-bit > version. I now understand that you should use the regular PowerPC based > distribution

Re: old G5 iMac with NVIDIA card

2016-06-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 12:13:35PM -0400, Steven Grunza wrote: > Does anyone know if the nouveau driver will work with an old G5 PowerPC and > the GeForce FX G05200 it originally used? > > The last time I tried it had numerous problems (no graphics, kernel panics, > etc). > > lsusb reports the

Re: Bug#825110: ppc64 patch for yaboot FTBFS and e2fslibs1.41-dev

2016-06-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 09:17:20AM -0400, wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 02:07:31PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > > I understand your point for ppc64el, but since `yaboot` gets build on > > ppc64, some users may break their systems... > > According to buildd, it fails to build on ppc64

Re: Bug#825110: ppc64 patch for yaboot FTBFS and e2fslibs1.41-dev

2016-06-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 08:23:32PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Fixed ! I do not believe using #825110 make sense. Thanks for the patch ! I agree. Now I do NOT have the hardware to test if the build works, but at least it now builds. -- Len Sorensen

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 07:57:17PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > So what does lspci shows now ? It is NOT a PCI device. It is a localbus device. -- Len Sorensen

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 02:46:13PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Looks like someone has discovered the likely problem, which is an > openfirmware compatiblity match issues introduced in 4.5 that is fixed > again in 4.6. OK not fixed in 4.6 (I misread it). Will be fixed in some futur

Re: Bug#714345: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:47:34PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Actually there are two issues in #714345, the last one which I suspect > (trailing 'C' in alias) has still not been merged ([GIT PULL] Please > pull powerpc/linux.git powerpc-4.7-3 tag) You are right. I misread the patches

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:28:12PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Wolfram, > > Could you please double check the following output from modinfo and > confirm this is the same issue as Debian #714345 Well if it is, then manually doing: modprobe airport should detect the wifi on the new kernel.

Re: Airport gone

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 08:23:01PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Sorry. How does one list those ? Well you pretty much just don't. Life was hard before PCI/USB/etc when things didn't have a nice way to detect present hardware. OpenFirmware, and amiga autoconfig and I guess isa pnp worked

Re: iMac G3 Snow 600MHz

2016-06-10 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 09, 2016 at 10:42:40PM +0200, Alex Santos wrote: > I have an iMac G3 Snow 600MHz with a CDR. I would like to install some kind > of Unix variant with a GUI. Can someone recommend a starting point. How much RAM do you have in it? -- Len Sorensen

Re: ppc64 port and multiarch

2016-06-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 11:13:15AM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote: > Dear developers, > > I am using the ppc64 port with multiarch on a powerpc system > Unfortunately since the general binNMU of ppc64, it does not > work anymore for Multi-Arch: same packages. Unfortunately binNUMs are often

Re: Debian/ppc64el images being tested daily

2016-06-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 12:28:53AM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > I was wondering if someone could change the PowerPC KDE iso so it can have a > display manager running at startup by default. They are a lot easier to use > than a command-line. Would you know who to contact to get this done?

Re: ppc64el netinst will not boot

2016-06-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 05:40:10PM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > On Jun 3, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Herminio Hernandez Jr. wrote: > > > I have a PowerMac G5 and I tried to load the 64el iso and it will not boot. > > Has anyone had similar issues? > > Yes. I tried installing it on my iMac G5 and it

Re: No GUI after install of Debian 8.4.0 PowerPC

2016-05-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 10:43:23PM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > ATI Radeon 9600 with 128 MB of vram. Hmm, well at least that means you don't have the nvidia page size problem. Maybe someone with Mac experience has some ideas then. -- Len Sorensen

Re: No GUI after install of Debian 8.4.0 PowerPC

2016-05-29 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 08:33:37PM -0400, Programmingkid wrote: > I installed Debian 8.4.0 PowerPC onto an iMac G5. When I tried using Debian, > I only saw a command-line interface. startx didn't start the GUI. I did see > an error message when I tried using startx, but it went away too quickly

Re: maclhw ?

2016-06-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:54:20AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Does anyone knows if any of the flavor: powerpc / ppc64 / ppc64el > supports 'maclhw' ? Well I don't know what maclhw means. I do know ppc64el only works on IBM power8 and newer, so you probably don't have that. ppc64 should

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 08:35:02PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Do they implement the ISA required by the existing Debian port? Yes. The only ones that don't are the Freescale 85xx and P10[12]x chips, which are powerpcspe due to using the e500 core. All the 83xx and 82xx chips which are still

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 04:11:32PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Well, we just did a full archive rebuild of "ppc64" to be able to > support ppc64 on the e5500 cores by disabling AltiVec, didn't we? Well it is getting there. -- Len Sorensen

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 09:04:12AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > The debian-powerpc@l.d.o mailing list is active so I would say it > still has some users. I have been using partch.d.o for doing some work > on PowerPC. I posted a summary of work people have been doing on this > port lately: >

Re: give back for ffmpeg on ppc64

2016-06-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:02:51AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Indeed. What are the machine amaterasu and tsukuyomi, do they have altivec ? > > I cannot reproduce FTBFS on the sole ppc64 porterbox we have: pizzetti.d.o: > > malat@pizzetti ~ % cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > cpu :

Re: give back for ffmpeg on ppc64

2016-06-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 08:13:05PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > Hi Lennart, > you cant virtualize the e5500 because is book3e your is a book3s > you can only emulate as bambo or others M embembed but without video output . Well all I was trying to do was emulate it with qemu, but apparently it

Re: give back for ffmpeg on ppc64

2016-06-24 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 09:06:15PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > sorry i see Power8 and was sure you had a real machine . That was someone else's output. -- Len Sorensen

Re: Re: glibc recompile - optimized for G5 cpu target

2016-01-11 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 08:31:39PM +1100, Peter Saisanas wrote: > Hi Brock, > I have tried lmbench and recompiled glibc 2.21-6 with -O3 and -O2 > optimizations with the cflags below: > extra_cflags = -mcpu=G5 -mtune=G5 -maltivec -mabi=altivec > > I haven't actually seen any marked difference to

Re: 32bit PowerPC

2016-02-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 04:56:14PM -0500, k...@kirkg.us wrote: > Hello all, > Does anyone still do anything with 32bit PowerPC? If so, I have a handful > of 32bit PowerPC laptops that I'm willing to donate to the cause. If there > is any interest, please let me know. I can outline what I have

Re: POWER8-based Desktop machine

2016-02-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:34:35PM +0100, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > Looks nice. As user of a PowerStation, my main question is: > how noisy will it be when fans kick in? Proably not bad. The 130W TDP for some models is no worse than a high end P4 was. Even 190W is less than most high end gaming

Re: Powerpc 64bit kernel build

2016-01-25 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:09:32PM -0500, Roosevelt Littleton wrote: > Do I need to use a 64bit chroot to build a kernel for the G5? I of course > notice there is no powerpc64-linux-gnu-gcc- to export. What's the debian > way for completing this task? No gcc in debian powerpc supports -m32 and

Re: no password on G4

2016-02-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 06:35:15PM +0100, Klaus Becker wrote: > Finally I found a CDROM. But I tried to boot on a Knoppix CD and to different > Debian CDs, without success. I don't think a powerpc version of Knoppix has ever existed. > I hold down "C" on booting and then I press again "c" to

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 07:13:49PM +0200, wbon...@theitmakers.com wrote: > Yes, that's what i mean. "-mno-altivec" and maybe some other > "-mno-something" flags, so it could run on any PPC64 cpu, even if it does > not have altivec/vmx, or if it does not have the optional opcodes of the > PPC64

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:06:36PM -0300, Breno Leitao wrote: > I am wondering if you cannot try to mimic this non-VMX CPU on QEMU using > -cpu. > > Running "$ qemu-system-ppc -cpu help" shows a lot of CPUs that are supported > in > QEMU. I am still not sure if we can exploit KVM if we use a

Re: Bug#819069: dietlibc: FTBFS on powerpcspe due to missing FPU emulation in library

2016-04-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 03:17:44PM +0200, luigi burdo wrote: > Hi,i face math issues with debian jessie with e5500 P5020 64bit tooif the > math emulation is not enabled i dont thave the desktop running only the > console.This issue is not present on ubuntu mate/lubuntu/Xubuntu e5500 IS

Re: Bug#819069: dietlibc: FTBFS on powerpcspe due to missing FPU emulation in library

2016-04-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 11:07:00PM +, kaleb white wrote: > I don't know that. OK, so why not buy an iBook G3? It's a 740 (like my > Clamshell) and Debian would work. Because the e500 core is a current embedded processor being used by some people who would like to run debian on those systems.

Re: Adding more ppc64 buildds from the POWER cloud

2016-04-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 08:19:13AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I was recently told by aurel32@d.o that ppc32 kernels do not run on a > ppc64 CPU. So if one wants to run a Debian kernel [1], we are pretty > much required to be running a ppc64 kernel. > This is the current situation with

Re: Adding more ppc64 buildds from the POWER cloud

2016-04-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 10:51:37AM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > What is really missing in ppc-land is a variant which uses 32 bit > addresses but otherwise knows that general purposes registers are > 64 bit wide and can be used as such, i.e., an alternative 32 bit ABI > which can only run on 64

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 10:40:52AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Well that's odd. Anyway feel free to report the bug and assign it the > usertags to ppc64: > > https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/bts-usertags.cgi?tag=ppc64=debian-powerpc%40lists.debian.org Wow, 5 out of 11 bugs are to do with

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:26:59PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Let me rephrase that in: "Wow somebody (user)tagged specifically with > ppc64 the nouveau bugs" ... :) > > This was not clear. But the offer to ppc64 machine(s) was made by the > ppc64el people: > >

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-30 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:41:40PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Lennart Sorensen > <lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 04:26:59PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >> Let me rephrase that in:

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 01:18:53AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > The altivec instructions and other optimizations speed-up significantly > certain kinds of programs on CPUs that can use them. It would be a shame to > loose the optimized versions by dropping back to the lowest common >

Re: PPC64 port status

2016-03-31 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 07:59:50AM +0900, Hiroyuki Yamamoto wrote: > Hi, > > wbon...@theitmakers.com wrote: > > The current target is e5500, which means i rebuild packages with the > > following additionnal flags : -mcpu=e5500 -mno-altivec -mtune=e5500 > > > > Is there some more generic flags i

Re: Adding more ppc64 buildds from the POWER cloud

2016-04-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 05:39:48PM -0300, Breno Leitao wrote: > Ok, since we will not even have VMX, I understand that we might not need a > POWER8, i.e, we can pursue initially with a POWER7. Does it make sense? > > Other than that, I will create a entry for you on one machine. But I am >

Re: Power Mac G5: Attempting to get 2D acceleration with nouveau and 6800 Ultra

2016-05-02 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 05:37:07PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hi Peter, > > It looks like events have caught up with us. There’s now a 4.5.0 kernel in > Debian testing and strong hints that the kernel in Stretch, when it’s > released, will be based on 4.6. So your reconfigured 4.5.0-rc2

Re: d-i: 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

2016-04-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:16:27PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Does anyone knows what happen to section: > > 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting > > in the powerpc install guide ? > > I see it alright from here: > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04.html.en

Re: Sharpen your LARTs, n00b alert.

2016-04-18 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 08:30:00AM +0100, Teh Currymonstah wrote: > I'd have lurked for longer, but it's just /so/ quiet, so I'll ask a question > or erm. more. > > An AS/400 Model 250 a.k.a. IBM iSeries 9406-250, "Northstar" based, so PPC. > right?, which seems to have wheedled its way into a

Re: d-i: 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

2016-04-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 08:36:22AM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Lennart Sorensen > <lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:16:27PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >> Does an

Re: d-i: 4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting

2016-04-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 02:33:50PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hum. I tried burning the iso directly on key, but the filesystem was > ISO 9660 which Open Firmware refused to read... > > If you want I can try harder tonight, but I assumed the key needed to be in > HFS. Hmm, I did not check

Re: Sharpen your LARTs, n00b alert.

2016-04-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 03:17:15PM +0100, Teh Currymonstah wrote: > Possibly not.. Though I have a few spare hard disks, so may give it a go for > the craic. Well if you have the time to play with it, might as well. > There used to be an x37something emulator in Debian. The font is still >

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Jul 05, 2016 at 07:46:10PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > >On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 08:57:56AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > >>I what test program could I use? I noticed that e.g. Firefox (which works) > >>

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 10:52:01AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > I wonder if you can have different cores? e.g. how is a Cell processor seen > in cpuinfo? Just out of curiosity. I don't think it is, since it needs special handling to dispatch jobs. As long as any core in cpuinfo has altivec,

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 01:43:12PM +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: > You don't always configure/compile on the machine you run. Especially > the people who build distributions. True, but you would still be configuring and compiling against the target libc, so configure would do the right thing. --

Re: Debian 8.5.0 iso on qemu vm

2016-07-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 02:20:42PM +0200, Frederic Bonnard wrote: > Hi, > anyone having success to boot the latest Jessie netinst iso with a qemu vm ? > > iso : > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.5.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-8.5.0-powerpc-netinst.iso > cli : qemu-system-ppc -m 1024 -nographic

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 11:25:34AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > > Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >Well it does not work -yet- at least on ppc32 with gcc 6.1.1: > > > >https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=71777 > > > >But I would report the bug anyway to libjpegturbo. Riccardo,

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 09:54:02PM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > "upstream" replied with this: > > https://github.com/libjpeg-turbo/libjpeg-turbo/commit/6c0b7613b4d48dd35e54fc968f4a808d495f2fef That is garbage in my opinion, given there exists a proper interface for getting that info. >

Re: jpeg-turbo 6.2 and ppc G3

2016-07-04 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 08:57:56AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > any of you still running G3 or anyway a non-altivec computer? > > I noticed that using GS applications (compiled from source, not debian > packages) I am unable to open JPEG files, I get an Illegal instruction. > >

Re: [Stretch] Status for architecture qualification

2016-06-20 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:35:20PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Yeah, apparently it's cheaper to bootstrap a complete new little endian > platform than to fix portability issues in existing software... I believe a big reason is that Nvidia cards expect little endian data, and the overhead

Re: A few questions about stretch ( testing ) on a PowerMac G5

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 05:28:00PM +, luigi burdo wrote: > Sid ppc32 on X1000 > > Sid spe on A1222 > > i thinnk [] OK that makes sense. > What i need to know where to find SID PPC64 distro to test? I have no seen an installer yet for any ppc64. Only ppc64el, which I don't think would

Re: A few questions about stretch ( testing ) on a PowerMac G5

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 10:23:34AM +0100, Christian Zigotzky wrote: > Hi All, > > Please look here: > http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=35=3491=39268#p39268 > > Debian Sid/experimental PowerPC works very well on my AmigaOne X1000 > PowerPC. > > Screenshot: >

Re: Performance difference 32bit/64bit userland

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 06:21:42PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Hi there, > > while preparing other tests I created two installations on two hosts > with identical hardware (LPARs on IBM POWER): > > - powerpc (64 bit kernel, 32 bit userland) > - ppc64 (64 bit kernel, 64 bit userland) > >

Re: Performance difference 32bit/64bit userland

2017-02-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 11:21:00AM -0200, Breno Leitao wrote: > On 02/07/2017 07:22 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > ppc64el is different since it is targeting systems where the applications > > are expected to need a lot of ram, and switching the little endian > > improves per

Re: Performance difference 32bit/64bit userland

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 09:39:21PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Yes, but lots of platforms fully migrate to 64-bit userland these days. Like > PowerPC, SPARC used to be 32-bit userland on a 64-bit kernel. However, Oracle > is shifting Linux for SPARC to 64-bit these days. I think

Re: Performance difference 32bit/64bit userland

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 10:05:38PM +0200, Gatis Visnevskis wrote: > Well explained! > > In enterprise world, Java applications will benefit from 64-bit addressing. > Another example is Oracle, 32-bit server side is dropped while ago. So it > also make sense to compile all Oracle client linked

Re: Performance difference 32bit/64bit userland

2017-02-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 03:08:41PM +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I always assumed it was possible to run ppc32 (be) or ppc64 (be) > userlands on a ppc64el system. Is this a restriction at Linux level or > hardware level ? I thought at least KVM virtual machines it was possible to do. Not

Re: yaboot problem? OS won't load after install on a Power Mac G5

2017-02-08 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 07:06:30PM +0200, ilko Iliev wrote: > Hi Christoph, > > Indeed, these files seem to exist http://i.imgur.com/uAPd5sL.jpg > > As to the question regarding the FS type for /boot I'm not really sure, it's > whatever comes with this setup http://i.imgur.com/fPYDHbI.jpg >

Re: yaboot problem? OS won't load after install on a Power Mac G5

2017-02-07 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 09:30:37PM +0200, ilko Iliev wrote: > I tried several times installing Debian on a Power Mac G5 machine, each time > I go through the install process without any issues, but once I reboot after > the install the system hangs in a perpetual " Loading second stage >

Re: Firefox 51.0.1-1 on Debian Sid/experimental PowerPC (PPC32): Segmentation fault

2017-02-13 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:44:57PM +0200, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: > As with all new languages it will take time, but eventually it will get > there, with a big IF. The biggest(only?) problem with PowerPC in > general right now is hardware availability not lack of interested > developers.

Re: yaboot problem? OS won't load after install on a Power Mac G5

2017-02-16 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 09:57:06PM +0200, ilko Iliev wrote: > Hi Len, > > Thanks for the suggestion but alas that didn't work either, same thing > happens. So you tried this? #1 32.2 kB Apple #2 1.0 MB B K boot untitled #3 1.0 GB f ext2 untitled /boot #4 316 GB f ext4 untitled

Re: Firefox 51.0.1-1 on Debian Sid/experimental PowerPC (PPC32): Segmentation fault

2017-02-15 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 04:44:22PM -0500, wrote: > Well there does exist cheaper options, like the $4k T4240QDS-PB, which > is 12 core (24 threads) 1.8Ghz 64 bit powerpc. > > The P5040RDB is $3k for a quad core 64 bit powerpc. > > That's still not hobby level pricing though. Better than the

Re: haskell-http-link-header

2016-10-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 03:06:11PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > haskell-http-link-header fails to build on the powerpc buildds. It > builds fine in a sid chroot on partch, so I have no idea how to > reproduce this. > > Does anyone have any insight? The last time this happened (in May I believe)

Re: PowerPC roadmap for Stretch

2016-10-03 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 02:16:56PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > Hi all, > > Since there has been some fuss about powerpc recently, let's see if I > can get some help on issue(s) I'd like to fix for Stretch. > > If anyone is able to provide help with any of the following, please do > contact

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