Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Lalo Martins wrote: Implementation: When the current Unstable (potato) is frozen, instead of creating a new Unstable area, we will create the Pool and populate it with a copy of potato; plus, create an empty Working area and wait for maintainers to start populating it;

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 01:39:23AM +0200, Gergely Madarasz wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Lalo Martins wrote: Implementation: When the current Unstable (potato) is frozen, instead of creating a new Unstable area, we will create the Pool and populate it with a copy of potato; plus,

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Lalo Martins wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 01:39:23AM +0200, Gergely Madarasz wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Lalo Martins wrote: Implementation: When the current Unstable (potato) is frozen, instead of creating a new Unstable area, we will create the Pool and

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
[Lame cross post to -announce removed, gah] The ftpmasters do their work for the project. They exist on behalf of the project. The project does not exist as result of the ftpmasters, it's vice versa. However, the FTP masters are the resident experts in field of 'ftp archive mainti',

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
this, but it makes it difficult to mirror a single architecture. H. http://www.debian.org/~ajt/testing-19991025.tar.gz for what code I've done, fwiw. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 03:19:47AM +0200, Gergely Madarasz wrote: [initial populating of working] If something is in stable, then it is ``working'' by current definition. If nothing else is declared ``working'' then the stable version should be there. That's a point, touché. If the maintainer

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 03:34:41AM +0200, Gergely Madarasz wrote: In short: I would like to see the difference between 1) Test this please, it'll probably work for you, I just want to know there are no serious problems before declaring it ``working'' packages and 2) This is what I've done

Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)

1999-10-25 Thread Fabien Ninoles
On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:29:53PM +, Alexander Koch wrote: [f'up] On Tue, 19 October 1999 21:43:57 +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Why not allow Source only packages ? Something like that is the only workable thing, methinks. Having a source where a source is 99+ % the same data is

Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)

1999-10-25 Thread Fabien Ninoles
On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 10:57:51PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Torsten Landschoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 09:43:57PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: Why not allow Source only packages ? That will win nothing. You can't use apt-get on them, have to

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 12:29:23PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 07:34:26PM -0200, Lalo Martins wrote: I'm formally proposing the release process that we have been discussing for over a year, known as ``package pool'', for discussion and voting. The discussion will

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 08:32:07PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: That said, this proposal has no meaning without an actual implementation of 'Package Pools', and none exists yet. However I know of at least 2 efforts to make one, so maybe it should be shelved until one gets finished? [It is

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 08:48:21PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Like Gregory said, experimental serves a purpose that is not covered by your 4 pools - software in there literally does not work.. Yes, but pool can have multiple versions of a same package. dependencies resolvable withing

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 03:18:47AM -0200, Lalo Martins wrote: Also, could you people please stop for a moment and really evaluate the ammount of code needed? Get real: this is _trivial_. We'd need code to: * make life easy for the mirrors (either a working package pool, or

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Lalo Martins wrote: Yes, but pool can have multiple versions of a same package. But how on earth is anyone supposed to know which version is the one they want? Hmm. I actually meant to use apt's install-time dependency check. It's smart enought to know when something

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Schulze wrote: Apparently I wasn't clear enough. I had already posted by then... The ftpmasters do their work for the project. They exist on behalf of the project. The project does not exist as result of the ftpmasters, it's vice versa. True. However that doesn't always

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Wichert Akkerman wrote: The ftpmasters do their work for the project. They exist on behalf of the project. The project does not exist as result of the ftpmasters, it's vice versa. True. However that doesn't always seem to work that way. A good example is that we have a consensus to

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Schulze wrote: Then why? Does a proper bug report exist? Is it just slowly processing bug report? Or is it something else? There is indeed a bugreport, and it's old. Months at least. Last I heard the only reason was that it was a lot of work... Wichert. --

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 01:30:44PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Martin Schulze wrote: Thus if the project (or the project leader) wants things to be done with the archive, the ftpmasters have to get it implemented (with or without help from others) or they will have to be

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 12:12:39AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Lalo Martins wrote: Yes, but pool can have multiple versions of a same package. But how on earth is anyone supposed to know which version is the one they want? Please elaborate. What are you talking

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Lalo Martins
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 04:06:27PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 03:18:47AM -0200, Lalo Martins wrote: Also, could you people please stop for a moment and really evaluate the ammount of code needed? Get real: this is _trivial_. We'd need code to: * make life