Re: Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread nick black
Ingo Jürgensmann left as an exercise for the reader: > I see many old DDs became inactive or stepped down as a DD in > the past years, yet not many new DDs joining or being as > active as the old DDs been in the past for whatever it's worth, two proto-DDs are waiting on final DAM keyring

A quiet reminder: please be considerate.

2022-03-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Readers of Debian-project This is a quiet reminder that debian-project and all Debian mailing lists are governed by the mailing lists code of conduct and the main Debian code of conduct. * Please be considerate of each other: assume good faith and treat each other with the respect that each

Re: Debian Update Cycle

2022-03-24 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:01:37PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:00:16PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Bad form to follow up to myself - but the second list was debian-kernel NOT > debian-boot > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:27:42PM +0100, phil995511 -

Re: Debian Update Cycle

2022-03-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:00:16PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Bad form to follow up to myself - but the second list was debian-kernel NOT debian-boot > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:27:42PM +0100, phil995511 - wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Don't you think it would be smart to integrate all the

Re: Debian Update Cycle

2022-03-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:27:42PM +0100, phil995511 - wrote: > Hello, > > Don't you think it would be smart to integrate all the updates contained in > the Backports directory with each new minor update of our favorite OS ? For > example for the versions 11.3, 11.4, etc ? > In my (limited)

Debian Update Cycle

2022-03-24 Thread phil995511 -
Hello, Don't you think it would be smart to integrate all the updates contained in the Backports directory with each new minor update of our favorite OS ? For example for the versions 11.3, 11.4, etc ? This would make Debian easily compatible with all the new devices available, without having to

Debian Maintainers Keyring changes

2022-03-24 Thread Debian FTP Masters
The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been activated: jan.moj...@gmail.com Full name: Jan Mojžíš Added key: AADF2EDF5529F1702772C8A2DEC4D246931EF49B philip.wy...@kathenas.org Full name: Phil Wyett Added key: 70A0AC45AC779EFE84F63AED724AA9B52F024C8B

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Diederik de Haas
On donderdag 24 maart 2022 10:50:47 CET Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 05:07:06PM +0100, Diederik de Haas wrote: > > On woensdag 23 maart 2022 14:05:57 CET Antonio Terceiro wrote: > > > ¹ of course correlation is not causation, I am not saying the perceived > > > growth is

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2022/03/24 15:02, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Dr. Bas Wijnen - 24.03.22, 10:50:47 CET: There was work to be done. It has been done. The result is that Norbert was sanctioned. Please accept that and stop pretending that the debate is still ongoing. Just one thing: There is no pretending there.

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dr. Bas Wijnen - 24.03.22, 10:50:47 CET: > There is work to be done. Uneasy work. But important to do, > nonetheless. > > There was work to be done. It has been done. The result is that > Norbert was sanctioned. Please accept that and stop pretending that > the debate is still ongoing. Just one

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 09:50:47AM +, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: [...] > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 07:23:25AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 09:01:27PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > In my opinion it seems better to let it be [...] > I understand this impulse and in

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Dr. Bas Wijnen (2022-03-24 10:50:47) > This entire thread makes me worry quite a bit about the current state > of Debian, so I feel the need to respond to several posts in it. > > Tl;dr: Debian should be a project where everyone can feel comfortable > to contribute. That is not possible

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Dr. Bas Wijnen
This entire thread makes me worry quite a bit about the current state of Debian, so I feel the need to respond to several posts in it. Tl;dr: Debian should be a project where everyone can feel comfortable to contribute. That is not possible if we allow bullying to stand unchallenged. On Wed, Mar

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Hi, Some clarification is needed: Wouter Verhelst wrote on 23/03/2022 at 14:45:50+0100: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 09:35:18AM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote: >> I actually believe it would be quite problematic if any single DD were >> allowed to take actions on another contributor based on

Re: Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 08:02:56AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > May I remind you that I am NOT banned from the project, but "ONLY" > demoted to DM! Yes, indeed; my mistake. > Since my emails are not delivered to d-p, I ask you to revert your > statement on d-p, since it is a lie. No, it is

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:45:50PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Norbert was banned from Debian by the people who are delegated to make > that decision. He was banned from contributing to, and communicating > with, Debian. It was pointed out to me (by multiple people) that the last part of this

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Martin Steigerwald
No CC needed. Thanks. Pierre-Elliott Bécue - 24.03.22, 00:34:25 CET: > > I am astonished to see, again, how people here seem to project all > > badness in the world onto a single former, cause expelled, Debian > > developer. Especially one with whom I had zero problems with and one > > who

Re: Banning Norbert Preining from planet.d.o

2022-03-24 Thread Gerardo Ballabio
I was indeed missing the background. As I understand, it all happened on -private, which I can't read. I actually learned about Norbert's demotion from DD to DM (which would leave him able to post on Planet) from a message on -publicity a few weeks ago, and I was completely unaware that he had