* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140427 11:00]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 10:53 +0200]:
> > However, one need to check if all of Debconf falls into that, or if
> > parts don't. Tax authorities don't necessarily consider one event
> > "t
* martin f krafft (madd...@debian.org) [140427 08:31]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 01:09 +0200]:
> > If you get money where you provide some value for (and sponsorship
> > might fall into that category, if e.g. logos are shown somewhere),
> > then this money is VA
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140427 01:10]:
> * Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]:
> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > Debconf has a different tax situation than a normal TO setup
> > > (especially give
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> > I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not
> > experienced problems.
>
> Have the tax authorities been made awar
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140426 23:42]:
> * Debian Deutschland e.V.
> * DebConf Deutschland e.V.
> * DebConf15 Deutschland e.V.
>
> From our understanding, German tax authorities don't like
> throw-away/single-use non-profit organisations, but we have no proof
> of that,
* Iain Lane (la...@debian.org) [140302 19:28]:
> The rest of the discussion notwithstanding, where do you think that
>
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 02:50:00PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > […]
> > That doesn't contradict the GR. If the GR passes we have two
> > resolutions:
> >
> > 11th Feb as m
* Bdale Garbee (bd...@gag.com) [140302 19:17]:
> Colin Watson writes:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:49:22PM -0500, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
> >> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:35:15PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >> > As a consequence, the GR replaces the outcome of the TC vote. The GR
> >> > text
* Paul Tagliamonte (paul...@debian.org) [140302 19:02]:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 05:55:14PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Huh? Ian explicitly says, as does the text itself, that this proposed
> > GR *adopts* the TC decision on the default init system. It doesn't
> > overturn it.
>
> The fact t
* Matthew Vernon (matth...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140302 17:41]:
> Andreas Barth writes:
>
> > Thanks for the reference to the auto-nuke clause in the TC decision.
> > How about adding something along the lines "To avoid any doubt, this
> > decision does not replac
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140302 13:07]:
> Thanks for the reference to the auto-nuke clause in the TC decision.
> How about adding something along the lines "To avoid any doubt, this
> decision does not replace the TC resolution" to avoid invoking that
> claus
* Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [140302 12:36]:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 12:26:38PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [140302 12:23]:
> > > On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 11:01:16AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > > Kurt Roeckx writes ("
* Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [140302 12:23]:
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 11:01:16AM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init
> > systems"):
> > > This is probably going to require a 2:1 majority requirement as
> > > written.
> >
> > Do y
* Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) [140211 06:57]:
> Joey Hess writes:
>
> > OTOH, if the ctte is still stuck in a procedural morass after the full
> > 3-4 weeks it takes to pass a GR, it could be a lifeline that lets it
> > decide on a better decision making procedure. Even if that ends up being
>
* Ian Jackson (ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk) [140106 17:22]:
> Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation"):
> > .oO ( funny that this comes up now, given the same delegation text was
> > already used in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/10/msg6.
* Lucas Nussbaum (lea...@debian.org) [140104 16:30]:
> On 04/01/14 at 14:04 +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
> See https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/12/msg00049.html
thanks.
> > (Actually I think we should have our delegations so that if the
> > current delegates add s
Hi Lucas,
* Martin Zobel-Helas (zo...@debian.org) [131202 22:11]:
> Hi Lucas,
>
> I am pleased to announce that DSA has promoted Héctor Orón Martínez to a
> full member of the team.
>
> Please update the delegation for the Debian System Administrators
> accordingly.
Did I miss the conclusion on
* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt (h...@ftwca.de) [100915 17:39]:
> Andreas Barth writes:
> > * Charles Plessy (ple...@debian.org) [100913 16:25]:
> >> > Is this a good way of doing that? The referred-to e-mail says that an
> >> > XS-Autobuild header in
* Charles Plessy (ple...@debian.org) [100913 16:25]:
> > Is this a good way of doing that? The referred-to e-mail says that an
> > XS-Autobuild header in the debian/control (not copyright) file is
> > required. Is there a need for a particular header for this in
> > debian/copyright? Would not the
Hi,
currently our policy says that main packages must only (build-)depend
on main packages, but contrib and non-free packages could use packages
from contrib and non-free.
In practice build-dependencies from non-free are not used by the
buildds for two reasons:
1. (mostly historical) we need to
* Luk Claes (l...@debian.org) [100314 18:05]:
> It's time to stop thinking I would be able to keep working as Release
> Manager in this climate, I hereby resign as Release Manager.
The release team is discussing how to continue (or rather: who should
become release manager next). For the moment,
* Faidon Liambotis (parav...@debian.org) [100303 14:24]:
> Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> > For the same reason I don't play into facebook's hand with handing them
> > all the linking informations they would like to know (even if some
> > people seem to be personally offended when not being linked). Peop
* Gerfried Fuchs (rho...@deb.at) [100302 12:09]:
> Hi!
>
> * Mike Hommey [2010-03-02 11:47:04 CET]:
> > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:40:20AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> > > Alright, let's also expose list subscriptions along the same reasoning.
> > > Again, this is not your job to judge w
* Tollef Fog Heen (tfh...@err.no) [090827 21:05]:
> (I think I'm missing your point here, since you started quoting the RC
> policy at me essentially retelling me the same thing I said in my first
> message, and now you're doing it again.)
Sorry. If I think you're wrong, I would have pointed it ou
* Tollef Fog Heen (tfh...@err.no) [090826 16:12]:
> ]] Andreas Barth
> | Our release policy tells in
> | http://release.debian.org/squeeze/rc_policy.txt (please note the
> | difference between conffiles and configuration files)
>
> I don't see anything in section 3 that
* Tollef Fog Heen (tfh...@err.no) [090826 08:59]:
> ]] Alexander Wirt
>
> | Luk Claes schrieb am Monday, den 24. August 2009:
> |
> | *snip*
> | > Why would file-rc not work properly with dependency based booting?
> |
> | you know what file-rc is doing? You have a configfile where you list
> | y
* Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [090824 20:51]:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:34:00AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:03:59PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > The most vital bug that needs to be fixed currently is the new dependency
> > &
* Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org) [090824 20:34]:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:03:59PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org) [090824 19:38]:
> > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 04:34:56PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > > It'
* Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org) [090824 19:38]:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 04:34:56PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > It's perfectly possible to make it the default *without* making it the
> > only supported option.
>
> I'm sure the maintainers would welcome patches to fix the bugs in questi
* Holger Levsen (hol...@layer-acht.org) [090824 14:41]:
> the subject basically says it: why is this thread not on -devel? AFAICS this
> is a technical discussion, while -project is for non-technical discussions?
>
> /me wonders if Andreas had a reason for this or if this is just what I
> descri
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [090824 08:54]:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > We should definitly continue to support oldstyle booting, at least for
> > the time being.
>
> Until what?
Until we know that the new method really works 100% correct, pe
* Raphael Geissert (geiss...@debian.org) [090824 00:34]:
> Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> > The local admin doesn't have any
> > choice. I need to admit that I disagree with this change at this
> > time.
> > #475478 insserv: uninstallation fails horribly if
* Andreas Barth (a...@not.so.argh.org) [090823 10:40]:
> #538959 needs actually to be worked on. The current state is not how
That should read: #511753
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Hi Petter,
I appreciate that you're working on improving the experience of our
users during startup, e.g. by adding dependency information to the
init scripts. I think that will in the long run be good for Debians
users.
However you recently added the dependency on insserv to
sysvinit-utils. By
* Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be) [090112 18:39]:
> And Steve organised the vote to add Russ (which got approved),
> and propose Don to the DPL.
>
> Andreas said that with 3 of the 5 votes for proposing Don the vote
> is over. But I think it's only 3 of 6 at that point, and the DPL
> still needs to
for years in usenet now, and even posted to news.answers for a few years
- nothing worse can happen to any address.)
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subscribing to lists of a high relevance to
> active developpers. Is debian-release one of them ?
Debian-release is not and should not be used as a discussion list, but
of course lots of vital information about the release process is passed
on there.
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Basically, voting
every year is ok, but we want to avoid having too large changes
happening to the people to "keep the knowledgebase intact". (As with
approval voting, that goal is reached different, so we can vote every
year on everyone, and not only on half of the people.)
Cheers,
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; out - We've got dozens of people in #debian asking that everyday.
In *this* case however we will end up with a few uninstallable packages
in testing for a few days - currently working on fixing that during the
next days. (In case people ask about such issues in testing.)
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* Andreas Tille ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070608 13:08]:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> >I don't get the problem. We have two sets of people there in:
> >- people elected in even years
> >- people elected in uneven years
>
> Well, I don't th
* Andreas Tille ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070608 09:12]:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> >I think it would be better if the committee is re-elected from the
> >developers at large - perhaps half of their size
>
> I see no chance to define half of their size pr
* Ian Jackson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070601 11:59]:
> 7. The initial Social Committee will consist of of five elected
> Developers. The Project Secretary is requested to organise and
> hold an election, in a manner similar to that for Project Leader.
>
> 8. The Committee shall be responsi
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070529 22:05]:
> On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:26:20PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Please limit the number of posts per day to this thread.
>
> Lively discussion
Lively discussion and DoS is a different thing. You do DoS.
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d Debian if our ways part. I still hope
that you realize that too, but if you don't, I'm seriously considering
to ask DAM and listmaster to make it happen.
I'm very very sad about this happening.
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> >
> > The - what you call - bigger problem has been discussed enough. More
> > mails won't change anything positively with regards to it and you.
> > You should accept this.
>
> Then what will change it ?
Just leave Debian.
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together. Debian as a project is definitly not responsible
for waldis bad behaviour - and there is no correlation between waldis
bad behaviour and anything else, waldi is behaving bad to almost all and
not only to you.)
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* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070528 12:28]:
> It seems that waldi doesn't want to do it, and also not to give any
> statement that he wanted to kick you out. I consider this a very bad
> behaviour, at least. And not acceptable.
After some more pressure on IRC, your commit a
zumindest admin) verlieren solltest, nicht sven.
(and no answer from waldi up to now)
As you can see, there is no need for you to escalate it - other people
will take care of that. :)
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you shouldn't have admin privileges
on the kernel svn if you cannot properly handle them.
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I'm rather shocked that waldi removed people from commit access without
telling them - and even worse, without being able to remember it about
14 days later.
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I doubt the current Release Managers would switch to the Simpsons.
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* Baz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061219 01:52]:
> "Andreas Barth has published a release update regarding the upcoming release
> of Debian <http://distrowatch.com/debian> GNU/Linux 4.0. Although it does
> not provide any information about the probable release date of the much
>
Die Liste heißt debian-user-german, bitte bei den Antworten beachten.
Grüße,
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* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061113 18:51]:
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> beschränken. ]
>
> * Alexander Mecklenbeck ([EMAIL PR
aufwerk ist das
(physikalisch)?
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nks for that detailed report. I assume we need to either apply the
Fedora patch, or create another patch by our own - shipping wit 2.6.19
sounds like a non-option to me.
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* martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 14:30]:
> also sprach Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.10.16.1303 +0200]:
> > > 2) Make the procedure for submissions a bit more clear: DWN is simply
> > > dwn(at)debian(dot)org; is DebianTimes simply the p
e who is interessted in becoming
part of the team, please subscribe to debian-publicity and feel free to
propose articles and work on provided articles.
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* gregor herrmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 11:17]:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:11:49 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
>
> > * Steve McIntyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 11:09]:
> > > If people have to pay something for them (even
> > > something really cheap), then
ng really cheap), then they're more likely to take an interest.
Depending on the event, we ask for money (unless someone is really
interessted). But even then, you need to have CDs/DVDs. :)
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* Andrew Donnellan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061015 23:49]:
> On 10/15/06, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >* Andrew Donnellan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061015 12:15]:
> >> Since Joey has said he wants to spend less time on Debian has anyone
> >> else dec
* Hubert Chan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061016 05:21]:
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:18:20 +0200, Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > There has been the idea to just publish all items on DebianTimes, and
> > make a weekly summary of these items. If anyone has somethi
x27;t think that Debian
should turn into a company.
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olicy be amended in this way, any
> issues that come up should be fairly easy to resolve at this point.
I'm quite sure as well, but I need a few hours to write some things up
first. :)
Jeff, please continue with your tests.
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soon.
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ges in their amendment (they can just rotate between a small
> number of very different proposals).
perhaps we should, independend of current GRs, consider how to change
the GR procedure so that it doesn't happen to be as painful as it is
now.
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> | the free software community, and a public in-person discussion at
> | DebConf 7 in Edinburgh in honour of the 10th anniversary of the
> | original publication of the Social Contract on the 4th of July 1997.
> `
I'm seconding both of these proposals.
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* Jeff Licquia ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060807 15:12]:
> On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 22:07 +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > How about the init-scripts? Does LSB say anything about them, or is that
> > a rather optional component?
>
> Yes, I had forgotten those; there were conventions
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>
> [Jeff Licquia]
> > There is now. Bug #381348, with the full scoop and a proposed fix.
>
> And a fixed cpio was just uploaded. Time to update policy?
Soon [tm]. :)
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* Eduard Bloch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060804 17:57]:
> #include
> * Andreas Barth [Thu, Aug 03 2006, 09:33:03PM]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > today, we launched a new service DebianTimes, times.debian.net. Its
> > intend is to deliver larger and smaller "nice items"
Hi Mako,
can you please define a policy whether non-personal blogs should be on
planet.debian.org or not?
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> Andreas Barth wrote:
> > > Hm, ok. I can see your point, but I disagree (but of course, I'm biased).
> > >
> > > Anyways, if more DDs feel your way, I will remove DebianTimes. (DWN was
> > > removed
* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060803 22:39]:
> * Frans Pop ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060803 22:02]:
> > I'd prefer keeping PlanetDebian pure as a aggregator of personal blogs.
>
> Hm, ok. I can see your point, but I disagree (but of course, I'm biased).
>
> Any
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articles. If there are any other questions or issues, please feel free
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; Sort of. We have to release etch first. I doubt people want to support
> July's etch for all time. :-)
>
> But assuming the cpio problem gets fixed, it would seem that we will be
> able to certify etch once it's released.
That sounds really cool, thanks.
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oved from one library to another.
Would that failure also appear with LSB 1.3?
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* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060718 12:49]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Does that sound like a wrong thing only to me? I'm quite happy if we
> > identify what could work better next time. [...]
>
> As far as I can tell:
> 1. Label the outside
Cursing doesn't help, my son.
And really now: Let's get back and do something productive. Like fixing
RC-bugs for etch. Because there is one thing I definitly don't want to
see: That this magazine creates another DVD based on sarge for next
year's CeBiT - independend of ho
er
people.
Actually, I think you told us how you would deal with it, and your
latest mails didn't had any further input, so I suggest that you leave
it to us what we actually do. Repeating the same content over and over
doesn't really help.
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s rather sounds like a trollish remark to me. Who are you, and how do
you judge what is proper use of Debian's trademarks and what not?
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package search: http://ara.edos-project.org/
distro testing: http://www.edos-project.org/qa/
main page: http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/Main/
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g the selection process.
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* Matthew Garrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060621 12:08]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > A GR can definitly override any decision, and restore Sven's commit
> > access.
>
> No. A GR can override any decision made by the DPL, a delegate or the
ged (i.e.
delegation for ongoing tasks), and how decisions can be overwritten
(though of course I'm happy that these rules are not used too often).
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the repository is hold on a debian.org-machine, it is definitly bound
by the rules of our constitution. If you don't like it, don't use debian
ressources.
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cedures. If you dislike it,
you're open to start an GR. Otherwise, please just shut up - especially
when it comes speaking to external people who want to donate money to
us.
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to SPI directly.
Donna, please ignore MJ Ray on that. He is a know troll regarding Debian
UK.
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* Mike Hommey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060523 12:23]:
> Do they distribute the binary version freely or is it that the binary
binary is free for download.
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a peek now.
You need to be approved by Baruch (as well as I need that :).
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with these ideas in my mind.
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* Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060416 23:08]:
> Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > * Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060411 18:40]:
> >> 2.1 Multiple advocates
> >> --
> >>
&g
k that such people should
be forced to wait 3 months for the full account. (One might say
"normally, you need to wait for at least 3 months" - that leave space
for the exceptions.)
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* Michael Banck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060412 14:41]:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:43:22PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > * Michael Banck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060412 12:11]:
> > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 01:25:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > > Could y
ar as I can see.
There is - if they don't check, you could revoke their upload
privileges.
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participate and actually _help_.
>
> seconded.
Someone who is willing to do the work? I probably could offer some
initial space on a server for i18n.d.n until it is ready to move to
i18n.d.o.
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erence.
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