Re: "Bits" from *ONE* ftpmaster

2008-04-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > * Enable bzip2 support for sources, not only for the binary packages. > I have a patch ready, it's not yet merged. Needs to test if > anything breaks in stable if we apply it, before we can think about > it. Worst case it has to wait until w

Re: NMU versioning (was: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer Uploads)

2008-04-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(reply-to set to debian-devel only) On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, James Vega wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:42:59PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > This DEP is available on the Debian Wiki[1]. > > "The version must be the version of the last upload, plus +nmuX, where X is a > counter starting at 1." >

Re: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer Uploads (NMUs)

2008-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 30 May 2008, Richard Hecker wrote: > In years past, I would route all email through an employment > account (I basically lived there anyway and it was the best option > to assure timely reception and response ;-). In this environment, > it was common to remind people that vacations could la

Re: DEP1: Clarifying policies and workflows for Non Maintainer Uploads (NMUs)

2008-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 30 May 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: > The difference between "using the BTS" and "asking the maintainer" is > that dropping a patch in the BTS is not asking the maintainer if the NMU > is welcome. In http://wiki.debian.org/NmuDep I see things like "Did you give enough time to the maintainer

Re: Misc development news (#8)

2008-06-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 31 May 2008, Steve Langasek wrote: > I.e., it's "for developers", which is not the same thing as "about > development". Funnily it got posted in a mail that is named "Misc _development_ news". :-) > It's a policy change which should be communicated to the developer body. [...] > Does this

Re: Misc development news (#8)

2008-06-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008, Mohammed Adnène Trojette wrote: > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > (hint: how would you place that file there in the first place?) > > Ask for a password change. Send your key with ssh-copy-id. Don't change > your password and lose it. And then try to login wit

Re: debian/copyright for files not part of the binary packages?

2008-07-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, on the whole I rather agree with Steve's point of view. It's great to see that ftpmasters are doing thorough checks when they have to check something but in this case, a simple library transition, they shouldn't check for licenses and shouldn't refuse the update when the package has already be

Re: objecting to +nmuX syntax (was DEP1: Non Maintainer Uploads (final call for review))

2008-08-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Lucas Nussbaum [Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:28:53 -0300]: > > >The version must be the version of the last upload, plus +nmuX, > > I already objected to this in the past, and I'm loudly objecting again > now. Some people on IRC shared this objection; I'm

Re: DEP1: Non Maintainer Uploads (final call for review)

2008-08-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > The past weeks I had several encounters with the situation that a maintainer > completely overlooked and NMU and uploaded a newer version without > acknowledging the previous NMU, thereby reintroducing the problem the NMU > addressed. This happened t

Re: DEP1: Non Maintainer Uploads (final call for review)

2008-08-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > But perhaps we need another mechanism to signal this. Consecutive uploads to > the same distribution should not cause previously present version entries to > disappear from the changelog. Maybe the archive can reject an upload that > misses a changel

Re: Debian and non-free

2008-09-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, David Paleino wrote: > The separation between debian.org and non-free.org is IMHO auspicable. And, > regarding the concern of RMS about "publicizing" this location... well, we do > *NOT* mention debian-multimedia.org anywhere, do we? Still, lots of people use > that. > > If we

Re: Fw: Debian and non-free

2008-09-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
I was frightened by your message until I realized that it was not your message but one of Sven… please don't forward messages that you don't endorse (in particular when it contains wrong claims). > debian-multimedia.org is not maintained by debian, it is for patent > encumbered stuff, liable of a

Re: Release notes

2008-10-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: > http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc This link is wrong. DDP uses SVN nowadays. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à jour pour Debian Etch : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBS

Re: Release notes

2008-10-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (05/10/2008): > > > > http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/release-notes/?root=debian-doc > > > > > > This link is

Re: Release notes

2008-10-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > I need information where > debbugs Don responded, it moved to bzr: http://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/ http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Debbugs > debian-openoffice $ apt-cache showsrc openoffice.org | grep Vcs Vcs-Bzr: http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-open

It's all about trust

2008-10-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I think we should go in the opposite direction: massively simplify > the whole membership thing. I tend to agree on the description of the situation but I would also add that we effectively have a trust problem within the project and that any reform to

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for your comment. For reference, people might not have noticed but my initial mail was not only a reply to liw's mail but a real alternative proposal. BTW, I added some further explanations on my blog: http://www.ouaza.com/wp/2008/10/27/debian-membership-reform/ On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lu

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it would > > require the intervention of many DD each time we have to grant a right > > (when trusting the decision of 2 members with special rights would be > > enough). > > That

Re: It's all about trust

2008-10-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 27/10/08 at 16:40 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > - this process might be too heavy with fine-grained privileges as it > > > > would > > > > require

Re: motivation (Re: It's all about trust)

2008-10-28 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Mon Oct 27 20:28, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Her basic idea is, that in addictive games the first levels of success are > > easy to achieve and then it gets harder, but only so slowly so that people > > dont loose motivation. She also manages very we

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: > and so on. The way I would like to see this idea developing is that it > starts as an unofficial project, with very simple rules (like, "you > can vote once for each message ID"), which simply collects the data > and makes it publicly available

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > [ re-ordering the quoted text, anticipating your reply to my post ] > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 04:35:43PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > The goal is not (necessarily to) filter the messages that we want to > > see or not

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:35:14AM +, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > * "Vocal minority" dominates "silent majority" by contributing a > > disproportionate amount of list traffic, [...] > > Note that voting can have a similar drawback -- in that if you've g

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hi, > > I have felt for some time that the low requirement for seconds on General > Resolutions is something that should be fixed. We are over 1000 > Developers, if you can't find more than 5 people supporting your idea, > its most probably not worth it

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2008-12-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Anyway 2Q is too much in my opinion. Q would be much more reasonable. > > See my reply to Bernd why I think its not. It seems like most people who responded preferred Q up to now. It might end up as an amendment otherwise. :) > > It would be also be

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, Robert Millan wrote: > > This is one of the reasons why the vote was flawed; > > Again, if the vote was flawed (I don't think it was, but if the Secretary > considers it flawed), the right thing would be to cancel it. The constitution doesn't explicitely allow a vote to be ca

Re: Creating a public list for wanna-build team? Input needed.

2009-02-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 18 Feb 2009, Adeodato Simó wrote: > In #512780 (http://bugs.debian.org/512780), we've requested the creation > of a debian-wbadm list to serve as a role address and discussion umbrella > for the wanna-build team. The full rationale is in the bug report, but > the bottom line is that we've r

Re: Maintaining packages properly

2009-03-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Moving to -project ] Hi, context: someone proposed a scoring system like this: > x (= 10?) Important bugs are RC critical > y (= 25?) Normal bugs are RC critical On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 02:41:46PM +0100, Vincent Fourmond wrote: > > > > Hmmm..

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Ben Finney wrote: > Manoj seems to be emitting a great deal more typos to Debian forums in > recent years. Perhaps we should pool together donations for a better > keyboard for him? Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Sandro Tosi wrote: > bullshit! we are trading quality for what? Please don't be so aggressive and leave some time to RM to respond to your comments before posting more mails > Or there's something else behind the curtains that it's not being said > (consciously), like ubu

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > In fact, I would prefer if Ubuntu had to change _their_ scheduled to > accomodate us, if they want to have the advantage of being in sync > with us. It's _their_ advantage after all, not ours. I don't mind who changes the date for the other but I really don

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:37:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > What we're speaking of is synergy between both distributions. You know the > > it's the principle behind “the combination of both is worth more that the &g

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Modestas Vainius wrote: > So let's just freeze late in the early/middle spring of 2010 this time and > aim > for Dec 2011 freeze next time. If you disagree with that, please enlighten me > why Debian needs to rush _this time_. If synchronization is so badly wanted > for the

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > Both the Etch and Lenny releases did clearly show this, and the success of > both releases (Etch more than Lenny IMO) is largely thanks to flexible > starts of the incremental freeze stages. The staged freeze has been a major pain for anyone working on the

Re: Summary of the debian-devel BoF at Debconf9

2009-08-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Ben Finney wrote: > "Bernhard R. Link" writes: > > > * Ben Finney [090818 11:28]: > > > Perhaps you have a better way of succinct terms to use when > > > challenging those logical fallacies? > > > > I think succinct terms help not at all here. Once there is a succinct > > te

Re: Summary of the debian-devel BoF at Debconf9

2009-08-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Paul Wise wrote: > Also, how about the following addition to the next edition of DeveloperNews? > > === debian-devel and ITPs === > > At DebConf9 there was a discussion about making the debian-devel list > more useful. Towards that end, here is a quick reminder of the > recom

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Andreas Barth wrote: > We should definitly continue to support oldstyle booting, at least for > the time being. Until what? Missing boot-time dependencies were the only problem that had to be adressed to fix boot sequence ordering. Sure administrators will have to learn tweak

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
y on some other (unexpected) initialization done by other scripts, i.e. numbers were wrong and could not be easily fixed. And there's nothing magic in the dependency based system. On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:54:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: &

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Russ Allbery writes: > > Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt writes: > >> How is calling update-rc.d making our maintainer scripts fragile? > > It's the things that update-rc.d doesn't support directly that are a > > problem, like moving start numbers. > >

Re: Switching the default startup method

2009-08-26 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(Put petter on CC, he's probably interested by the patch below) On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Alexander Wirt wrote: > Luk Claes schrieb am Monday, den 24. August 2009: > > *snip* > > Why would file-rc not work properly with dependency based booting? > you know what file-rc is doing? You have a configfile

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > So, there was a long discussion here after Debconf about the merits or > lack thereof of a freeze date at the end of this year for a squeeze > release early next year. My general feeling of the discussion was that > there was a fair bit of opposition to f

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > critical" bugs. That gave to nice aphorisms like "release when > ready", but did not really cater to timeliness of the releases. We are speaking of the freeze date, not the release date. > other way: Where timeliness trumps the quality. We also

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Martin Wuertele wrote: > If you're talking about the Ubuntu release team that's up to them. If > you talk about the Debian release team then I don't think so. A > proposale is a proposal not a policy. I don't get your point. How do you go from a proposed freeze date to a defin

Re: squeeze release cycle?

2009-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Sure, if most DDs have just took that mail as a proposal that they can > safely ignore, the release team should probably be more precise, but I > doubt the substance will be anything else than what we have now. (I also > duly notice that the release

Re: Attracting new volunteers to Debian using stackoverflow.com

2009-12-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi (quoting almost everything on purpose) On Tue, 22 Dec 2009, Tom Feiner wrote: > stackoverflow.com, which is a website featuring questions and answers on > a wide range of topics in computer programming, has just offered [1] > free advertising for open source projects wanting to advertise > rec

Re: Proposing removal of pump: anyone wants it?

2010-01-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010, David Paleino wrote: > while hacking on wicd, I looked at the various DHCP clients we have in > Debian. I believe that pump could be removed from our archives, but I'm > sending this mail in case anyone really needs it -- in this case, we keep it > and I'll just remove suppo

Re: PTS subscription exposure

2010-03-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > This is IMNSHO a serious violation and breach of privacy. It doesn't IMO it's not. The PTS is like launchpad but for Debian and there you can see who is subscribed to each package and to each bug: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg https://bugs.

A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hello, ever since I created the Alioth collab-maint project [1], I have been adding non-developers to the project so that they can work together with other DD (sponsors) on a common VCS. 359 requests have been approved since 2005, it currently amounts to 5 to 20 requests every month. The threshold

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Jeremiah Foster wrote: > > Are there volunteers for the task? > > I would be willing to volunteer as part of a team. I work with the > debian-perl team and find that group maintenance and co-operation makes > things function quite smoothly. I would like to mention I am not a D

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Xavier Oswald wrote: > > Is there an existing team that could take this responsibility? [2] > > Are there volunteers for the task? > > Why a team ? People volunteers registered as Admin could do the needed job > right ? I asked for a team because it would not be unreaso

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:45:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Now I would like to stop dealing with those requests and thus I would like > > a team of people to replace me. > > Do you have a way to know what percentage o

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-15 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Christoph Berg wrote: > Why not automatically include all DMs in the collab-maint group? No objection from me. But I don't know how to map DM to alioth accounts. > And to drive the idea further, what about a public-maint group that > everyone with an alioth account can commit

Re: A team to grant rights on collab-maint?

2010-06-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:45:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Now I would like to stop dealing with those requests and thus I would like > > a team of people to replace me. > > Do you have a way to know what percentage o

Re: Problems with NM Front Desk

2010-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010, Felipe Sateler wrote: > On 06/07/10 10:09, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > > > AFAICT, none of this justifies silently removing someone from the NM > database. I can't speak for the NM team, but if he was asked to go through DM first (and that's what I understood), I could under

Re: Debian accepting Social Micropayment?

2010-08-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Steffen Möller wrote: > there is a new advent on the Internet horizon which is the social > micropayment. Regular web users pay in some money and distribute that > with respect to their clicks in the web. I feel that Debian should > somehow participate with that, i.e. we s

Re: Heads up for Debian Installer (Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of Frans Pop)

2010-09-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Thu, 02 Sep 2010, Andreas Tille wrote: > I admit that I personally can not spend the (spare) time which is needed > to work on or even lead a project like debian-installer but I would like > to raise the awareness of people here by showing the figure above that > especially in freeze time a

Re: FTPMaster meeting minutes

2010-09-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Joerg, thanks for those minutes, they were very interesting. I like that you're working on integrating more stuff on the main archive. It's definitely better than to have many separate archives. I do hope backports will be a suite on the main archive at some point. I have one comment and a que

Re: Debian training and code review

2010-09-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Henri Le Foll wrote: > I have seen that Raphael Hertzog has written a blog entrie about conffile > so I have created http://wiki.debian.org/Training This article is more oriented towards users than towards contributors. But I have other articles that are interesti

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: > since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, > mostly > about flattr. This definition does not make it clear what you're targeting. Can you be more precise? Since I use flattr I wonder if I'm concerned. I even encourag

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Russ Allbery wrote: > Where I personally draw the line is that I'm fairly comfortable with > Debian-involved people advertising their own services on Planet Debian: > their own companies, their own consulting services, their own posts, and > so forth. I would start gettin

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > You should be. *IMO* your posts are VERY annoying with the "support my > work, give me money money money" below them, sometimes very much looking > to be written just to spread another round of flattr links. > Might not be the intention, but feels li

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 09 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > For some value of "any". Planet has a big audience, articles are seen by > > more than 3 persons so it's difficult to speak for them. > > How do you get that number? Feedburner statistics. But I was wrong, it's not that many. That numbers includes

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I'm not particularly happy with the 'flattr this' buttons either. My > main problem is that I find quite difficult to avoid interpreting them > as DMUP violations, specifically about DMUP point "don't use Debian > Facilities for private financia

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > My next question for you (assuming you accept that a discussion on this > list is enough to decide on this matter---I personally do) is whether > you find that my summary of this thread, given in my former post, is > fair or not. I don't know o

What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: > since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, > mostly > about flattr. So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Quite a few people explained that they are (at varying level) annoyed by them. I woul

Re: Please draft a policy for planet.debian.org

2010-11-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, (I'm hert...@d.o and not b...@d.o) On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > What Can I Post On Planet? [...] > - Be very careful including material from external sites (ie, not your >own blog/domain). The occasional picture from elsewhere is fine, but >anything that can be (or i

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-12 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > It's not begging in a sense that someone IS doing some work. It's more > like "use this thing that I produced, and if you want, you can reward > me with a few cents". There simply is nothing distasteful about that. > In fact, I find it courage

Re: Reminder: Debian FTPMaster meeting

2011-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Jörg, On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Compared to my last post about this meeting, we did rework our agenda a > little bit, so it currently reads like the stuff I paste below. We > guarantee nothing from it, but we try to at least have a few short words > about each. Well, a report

Re: Reminder: Debian FTPMaster meeting

2011-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > multi-arch implementation, see > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/02/msg00504.html On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:44:46PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Compared to my last post about this meeting,

Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project

2012-03-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Jose Luis Rivas wrote: > If is proposed to GR as it is written now, I will most probably vote > against it too. I thought the diversity statement was to let everybody > know they were welcome to work in the project, not that they have to > think in certain way nor we will have

Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project

2012-04-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 06 Apr 2012, Enrico Zini wrote: > I love how this is increasing in awesomeness as it is decreasing in > size. Indeed. > I feel like suggesting two minor patches, labor limae if anything: > > s/contributions to Debian/contributions/ > s/expertise in other areas/expertise in other areas,

Re: DEP 12: Per-package machine-readable metadata about Upstream

2013-01-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013, Paul Wise wrote: > > The source package control files and some of their derivatives are > > currently > > used to document the URL of the home page of the work that is packaged > > ("upstream"). However, this approach is hard to extend to other > > information > > descri

Re: LaMont Jones, WTH are you doing?

2013-02-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 06 Feb 2013, LaMont Jones wrote: > On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 11:33:39AM -0700, LaMont Jones wrote: > > mergechanges is responsible for the differences you're seeing: > > dpkg-source is run (yes, on an ubuntu system), and then binaries are built > > on a system that is running sid, both a

Re: Debian companies group

2013-09-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:12:12AM +0200, Paul Wise wrote: > > I didn't really understand your proposal, it was missing the "What?" > > section. What do you intend to change apart from the description of > > the debian-companies list? > > It is not just

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sat, 04 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I've given some thought to this myself, and came up with the following > ideas. Some of them are probably really bad ideas, but let's try to > brainstorm a bit: I don't find them bad. At least from the POV of view of a DD and of a service mainta

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: > Cyril Brulebois writes ("Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation"): > > Have you seen some mistakes that would help us (or at least me) > > understand which problems you're {thinking of,anticipating}? > > I think the biggest problem isn't that the polic

Re: Updating the Policy Editors delegation

2014-01-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ian Jackson writes: > > > This is all very well but I think de jure they aren't a delegated team, > > and the distinction is defined in the constitution. This is not > > trivially bypassable, because a delegated team is one who derives their > > powers

Re: Evaluation criterias for (prospective) Trusted Organizations

2014-01-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > So, first things first, I would welcome your feedback on the TO > criterias[1]. Soft deadline: 2014-02-01. > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DPL/TrustedOrganizationCriteria I didn't find anything really problematic in the criteria, at least not w

Re: bits from the DPL -- December 2013

2014-01-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > - [bgupta] work with SPI to enable donations via paypal Note that Debian France has planned to setup that for the Debian project. It would be a small change on this page: https://france.debian.net/galette/plugins/galette-plugin-paypal/paypal_form.php

Re: Debian services and Debian infrastructure

2014-01-23 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > 2) the alternative is that they give up on the idea, or host it > >themselves, which makes it harder to work collaboratively on the > >service, and results in services that have a single maintainer (or > >none, in the end). > > How does h

Re: Debian Services Census

2014-02-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Ingo Jürgensmann wrote: > Unfortunately I have a problem with the renaming of my pet service > Buildd.Net on https://wiki.debian.org/Services. I added my service as > BuilddNet and it got renamed to "UnofficialBuilddNet". Although it's > true that it's an unofficial servic

Re: Debian Services Census

2014-02-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Ingo Jürgensmann wrote: > In fact it doesn't duplicate an existing service. Its focus is > different than the buildd.d.o site. The site says “These pages are intended to show additional information to http://buildd.debian.org or more exactly it is basically the same informatio

Re: State of the debian keyring

2014-02-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Ian Jackson wrote: > It can increase security because it can make operations more > convenient at the same level of security, and because people trade off > convenience for security. > > For example, it would be possible to have one key for email encryption > and a different (

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > - Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines > > longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output > > (e.g., ls -l). > > - Do not send automated out-of-office or vacation messages. > > - Do not send

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Solveig, On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Solveig wrote: > I can write specific amendments, if somebody is willing to sponsor them :) Please do. I tend to agree with what Steve said. It doesn't hurt to have a list of "don't" but this should not replace the "inspirational" part of the CoC. Cheers, -- Rap

Re: The Code of Conduct needs specifics

2014-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The danger of having a list of "do not"s is that people will do > something which is not on the list, and then point to it and say "see, > it's allowed by the code of conduct" when pointed out that they're being > a dick. It's quite common to have an s

Re: A rebuttal (was: Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:12:11PM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait: > The general resolution to abolish non-free is flawed in a number of ways. Great. I completely share your opinion. That's my second mail in this tread. I wish everybody could do like me ... the thread can't be followed unless yo

Re: A new arch support proposal, hopefully consensual (?)

2005-03-20 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le dimanche 20 mars 2005 à 12:45 +0100, Sven Luther a écrit : > Hello, Hi Sven, > This is an attempt to do a vancouver-counter proposal in such a way that would > be acceptable to all, including the folk who was at the vancouver meeting. > Please be resonable when we post here, refrain from agres

Re: feedback, please: what was good, what bad?

2005-04-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le lundi 11 avril 2005 à 10:17 +0200, Andreas Schuldei a écrit : > The point in this is to find out if the social reforms i was > trying to initiate are worth pursuing anyway or if people think > debian is good (enough) like it is in this regard. The problem is that you're not alone, most of the c

Re: Random BTS musings

2001-08-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 06:20:39PM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait: > Is that all there is, or is there some way of actually getting a list > of current tasks and such too, or is it a write-only system? Is that > actually being used? (At least during the bugsquash parties, I've mostly > seen the /top

Re: Random BTS musings

2001-08-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 09:16:10PM +0200, Josip Rodin écrivait: > On related note, I think bug(1) and reportbug(1) should emphasize _less_ on > the severity value of the bugs. It's clearly something that the average user > shouldn't even know about, and something that the developer needs to address

Proposed General Resolution : IRC as a Debian communication channel

2001-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Please recpect the reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Hello dear developers, I'm proposing this general resolution as a results of recent events that some of you may have followed. I'm looking for 5 sponsors. Please do not discuss this general resolution without a reflexion time. And please read wh

Re: Proposed General Resolution : IRC as a Debian communication channel

2001-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 11:35:42AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog écrivait: Here is some help for understanding the general resolution. > - all #debian-* channels on OpenProjects should be open to everyone > except #debian-private which is for registered debian developers only > (the ac

Re: Proposed General Resolution : IRC as a Debian communication channel

2001-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:07:52PM +0100, Peter Makholm écrivait: > > Can we as an open projects really accept more closed forums? How many > > private places can we have and still say that the development of the > > debian distribution is an open project? > > > > debian-private is allready filled

Withdrawal of the General Resolution about IRC

2001-11-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
[ Please respect the reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Hello, first I'd like to thank the few people who have been constructive and tried to help instead of denigrating and nitpicking on minor points. I've decided to withdraw the general resolution proposed 2 weeks ago about IRC as communication cha

Re: integrating FAQ and user-lists

2002-02-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 11:38:06AM +0100, Nicolas SABOURET écrivait: > Hi, Hi, > To sum up, I think we could : > 1. "close" all lists. > 2. propose a user interface with automatic search in the archives. Well, as far as spam is concerned, some measures are being taken. Test of spamassassin is go

Re: Working on debian developer's reference and "best packaging practices"

2002-05-02 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, May 02, 2002 at 10:05:06AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo écrivait: > - Debian Best Packaging Practices > > This item is vague. I assume we're talking about tips and developer > materials not contained in policy? Yes. It may also include things moved away from policy ... when the distinction bet

Re: Working on debian developer's reference and "best packaging practices"

2002-05-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Fri, May 03, 2002 at 12:24:23AM -0700, Grant Bowman écrivait: > Sounds like a chapter on "Debian Teams", I like this concept. While you > may get a chapter co-maintainer, it would be good to clearly assign > responsibility for content to a representative from each team. If you > provide an exa

Re: Working on debian developer's reference and "best packaging practices"

2002-05-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, May 02, 2002 at 10:05:06AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo écrivait: > Unfortunately I do not yet have any other co-maintainers -- > volunteers, anyone? I'm volunteering. I'm going to spend some time on it but I really wish you could propose a new structure before I start filling the gaps. Cheers, -

Re: Development

2002-05-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, May 04, 2002 at 04:50:16PM +0200, RIBNITZ Robert écrivait: > You can join Debian at > > http://nm.debian.org/newnm.php > > Kind regards This is not a good response. He's looking if he can help, and how he can help. You're just explaining him how to get a Debian developer, but he first n

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