Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 03:12:35PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Dear Kurt, > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:17:27AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > If on -vote the required amount of seconds have been reached, I > > will announce that the GR process has been sarted on > > debian-devel-announce. >

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 03:46:57PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 03:30:54PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > > This isn't something that's happened in the past, what's announced is a) > > that a GR process has started, b) the various CfVs, and c) the results. > > > > I'd be

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 03:30:54PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: > This isn't something that's happened in the past, what's announced is a) > that a GR process has started, b) the various CfVs, and c) the results. > > I'd be wary about spamming d-d-a every time there's a new > amendment/adjustment t

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 03:12:35PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Dear Kurt, > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:17:27AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > If on -vote the required amount of seconds have been reached, I > > will announce that the GR process has been sarted on > > debian-devel-announce. >

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Dear Kurt, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:17:27AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > If on -vote the required amount of seconds have been reached, I > will announce that the GR process has been sarted on > debian-devel-announce. This is now the case for one GR and one GR amendement. There may be further ame

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:49:28PM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 14/10/2014 11:58 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Isn't the point of posting on debian-devel-announce to increase the > > visibility and liklihood of seconds in the first place? > > Not if you want to help avoid the GR having a ch

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/10/2014 11:58 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Isn't the point of posting on debian-devel-announce to increase the > visibility and liklihood of seconds in the first place? Not if you want to help avoid the GR having a chance to get up. A. -BE

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:58:22AM -0400, Miles Fidelman a écrit : > > Isn't the point of posting on debian-devel-announce to increase the > visibility and liklihood of seconds in the first place? Hi Miles, according to https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/, the purpose of that list is

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Miles Fidelman
Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:32:35PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I think we should clearly indicate where GRs should be announced. ("Should", I suppose I'm arguing, not "must"). I think we don't need to name th

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2014, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > I disagree, because I think that the current value for K is sufficiently > low to make it part of the proponent's responsibility to make sure that > his proposal gets enough seconds. Again, we're currently talking about > finding _5_

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 14 octobre 2014, 10.54:19 Lars Wirzenius a écrit : > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:17:27AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > If on -vote the required amount of seconds have been reached, I > > will announce that the GR process has been sarted on > > debian-devel-announce. > > Sure, and that's e

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 09:17:27AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > If on -vote the required amount of seconds have been reached, I > will announce that the GR process has been sarted on > debian-devel-announce. Sure, and that's excellent. It would, though, in my opinion to be good to announce the prop

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 10:32:35PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > I think we should clearly indicate where GRs should be announced. > > ("Should", I suppose I'm arguing, not "must"). > > I think we don't need to name the place i

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On 2014-10-13 21:11, Miles Fidelman wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Whilst researching for a reply to a different post in this thread on -user (the thread sadly spans at least three lists), I realised that the constitution doesn

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 13 octobre 2014, 16.11:56 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > FWIW, Constitution §4.2.5 says: > > (…) > Ahhh... this is like RFPs and legal announcements - as long as you > post it somewhere, you're covered. As opposed to requiring posting > in a highly visible place

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Miles Fidelman
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Whilst researching for a reply to a different post in this thread on -user (the thread sadly spans at least three lists), I realised that the constitution doesn't say where GRs should be announced, and I

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Whilst researching for a reply to a different post in this thread on > -user (the thread sadly spans at least three lists), I realised that > the constitution doesn't say where GRs should be announced, and I > couldn't find any adv

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:30:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I think we should clearly indicate where GRs should be announced. > ("Should", I suppose I'm arguing, not "must"). I think we don't need to name the place in the constitution. I don't think we need a hard rule about where the anno

Re: The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Jonathan Dowland writes: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> You do understand that we have procedured at Debian to handle stuff >> like GR proposals, right? And that procedure involves posting to >> debian-vote, so doing that was the right thing to do. > > W

The proper place to announce GRs (was Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?))

2014-10-13 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Hi -project, On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 06:33:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > You do understand that we have procedured at Debian to handle stuff > like GR proposals, right? And that procedure involves posting to > debian-vote, so doing that was the right thing to do. Whilst researching for a r