Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Paul Wise
The developers reference now contains a paragraph concerning hostile upstreams: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/developer-duties.html#upstream-coordination http://bugs.debian.org/523985 -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Thomas Koch
There's a german association, Linux user in der Kirche[1] (Linux user in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the german church in 2010. They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of church communities and of course private use of linux.

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Koch wrote: There's a german association, Linux user in der Kirche[1] (Linux user in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the german church in 2010. They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of church communities and of

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Thomas Koch
Thomas Koch wrote: There's a german association, Linux user in der Kirche[1] (Linux user in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the german church in 2010. They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of church communities and of

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Koch wrote: Thomas Koch wrote: There's a german association, Linux user in der Kirche[1] (Linux user in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the german church in 2010. They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: Thomas Koch wrote: Thomas Koch wrote: There's a german association, Linux user in der Kirche[1] (Linux user in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the german church in 2010. They aim is to promote the usage of linux in

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:52:37AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: It seems to me that these consulting businesses would be good addresses to ask for sponsorship of a Debian/GNU/Linux booth if there is no way getting a free booth for a charitable association such as the Debian Project or the

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 00:57 +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit : 1 New hardware / equipment a The DSA team have a wishlist of new hardware they'd like […] Full ack. Hardware is not that expensive, lack of hardware should not hold back any of our development. b Maintainers of big

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Steve McIntyre wrote: 1 New hardware / equipment a The DSA team have a wishlist of new hardware they'd like, along with a set of donated machines that need configuring and/or shipping. As far as I'm concerned, so long as the individual requests here look reasonable then they

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Mauro Lizaur
2009-09-10, Steve McIntyre: Hi folks, Suggestions and comments from others [...] 6 Fund other related projects a Debian Edu. Clearly good for us to do - heavily linked with Debian. I think that this could be really interesting.

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: g website redesign and restructuring This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that is very much overdue. Especially the restructuring part would

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:12:18 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Thoughts? I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off without schilyware imo. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Steve McIntyre lea...@debian.org writes: 4 Marketing stuff: a box(es) of equipment to take to stands at various shows and expos. Might be useful, but could be expensive. Where do we store it/them? Who organises shipping? I think this is something which we should pursue. I

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-09-10, Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: g website redesign and restructuring This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that is very much

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Frans Pop wrote:  6 Fund other related projects    b Gnash. Petter is very keen on this, but I'm not so sure. Don't      they have other ways to get funding? Thoughts? I don't think Debian as a project should sponsor upstream development. That's up to

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Frans Pop wrote: On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: g website redesign and restructuring This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that is very much overdue. Especially the restructuring

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Frans Pop] 6 Fund other related projects a Debian Edu. Clearly good for us to do - heavily linked with Debian. Not sure about that. IMO it's up to the schools and governmental institutions that use Debian Edu to sponsor that. However, I have no problem with Debian sponsoring

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Frans Pop] b Gnash. Petter is very keen on this, but I'm not so sure. Don't they have other ways to get funding? Thoughts? I don't think Debian as a project should sponsor upstream development. That's up to individual DDs. A working free software

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, Ubuntu, etc.) do the same. Even then not IMO. Those other distributions are commercial, Debian is not.

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:53AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Steve McIntyre] There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by developers that we consider to be hostile. In my opinion, the current

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Giacomo A. Catenazzi] It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, Ubuntu, etc.) do the same. I find this to be a rather useless requirement to have, unless the goal is to do nothing. If something is a good

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Muammar El Khatib
Hi, On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com wrote: [Giacomo A. Catenazzi] It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, Ubuntu, etc.) do the same. I find this to be a rather

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:53AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: If someone really want to maintain such package, we should not prohibit it, but we should make it clear that it is strongly recommended to not maintain such package, and that the

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt h...@ftwca.de [2009-09-10 16:01]: Steve McIntyre lea...@debian.org writes: 4 Marketing stuff: a box(es) of equipment to take to stands at various shows and expos. Might be useful, but could be expensive. Where do we store it/them? Who organises

debian trademark tshirt

2009-09-10 Thread matouskova.barbora
Hello, I have a question about debian trademark. I am trying to find out whether I can use debian logo when making a shirt and I came across your quotation:  We allow all businesses to make reasonable use of the Debian trademark. For example, if you make a CD of our Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Harald Geyer
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl: IMO it is not up to us to decide to pass on money donated to us to other projects. If sponsors and donors feel Gnash is worth sponsoring, they will do so themselves. Money donated to Debian should be spent on Debian. I'm not a DD but I already helped runnning

Re: debian trademark tshirt

2009-09-10 Thread Simon Paillard
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:27:53PM +0200, matouskova.barb...@centrum.cz wrote: I have a question about debian trademark. I am trying to find out whether I can use debian logo when making a shirt and I came across your quotation: [..] Yes you can, see : http://www.debian.org/logos/ You can

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Steve: On Thursday 10 September 2009 01:57:14 Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] 4 Marketing stuff: Yes. There's a kindof market point I've been wishing on Debian for years knowing that it simply could happen: certifications and generally rising attention to commercial producers, both

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes: Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 00:57 +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit : 1 New hardware / equipment a The DSA team have a wishlist of new hardware they'd like […] Full ack. Hardware is not that expensive, lack of hardware should not hold back any of

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Jesús M. Navarro schrieb: 4 Marketing stuff: [..] So, if Debian can be truly so great for companies from IBM to Alfresco, to Oracle (and the end result can be so great for we, mere users), how is it that we won't have certified stuff from them? It can't be the platform or else

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by developers that we consider to be hostile. In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer references is enough for now: Different thing. This

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Thoughts? I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off without schilyware imo. This isnt special to that. We had/have other people as upstreams we might not like. (How about the one that purposely added broken code in a way that it will run on every users system but

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
In terms of rationale, I think it's clear that we do *not* have to package every piece of Free Software that is available to us. If we can't have a sensible relationship with the upstream developers, then I believe it would be better not to expose Debian and our users to the problems that

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Alexander: On Thursday 10 September 2009 22:11:24 Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: Hi! Jesús M. Navarro schrieb: 4 Marketing stuff: [..] So, if Debian can be truly so great for companies from IBM to Alfresco, to Oracle (and the end result can be so great for we, mere users), how