This is much more of a general note regarding this thread.
Apparently we are far from a consensus on an official Debian position
regarding the use of generative AI as a whole in the project.
We're therefore content to use the resources we have and let each team
handle the content using their own
On Mon, 6 May 2024 16:24:17 -0300,
Jack Warkentin wrote:
>Hi Everybody
>
>I am an 86-year-old long time user of Debian GNU/Linux (at least 20 years).
>And I subscribe to the debian-project mailing list as well as a couple of
>other debian mailing lists. I sometimes have problems understanding
Hi,
> It would be helpful if Debian would create (and keep up-to-date) a web
> page of acronymns and abbreviations used by Debian literati. Or is there
> already such a one, but not listed on the site map?
There is one in the wiki - https://wiki.debian.org/Glossary
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On 5/3/24 12:10, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On that front, useful "related work" are the policies that scientific
journals and conferences (which are exposed *a lot* to this, given their
main activity is vetting textual documents) have put in place about
this.
Indeed. Here are some examples:
> "Tiago" == Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes:
Tiago> Hi Jose,
Tiago> Thanks for you input, I have a few comments:
Tiago> On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 11:02:47AM -0300, Jose-Luis Rivas wrote:
>> On Thu May 2, 2024 at 9:21 PM -03, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
>> > Right, note that
Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> (1) You are free to use AI tools to *improve* your content, but not to
> create it from scratch for you.
> This point is particular important for non-native English speakers,
> who can benefit a lot more than natives from tool support for tasks
>
Hi Jose,
Thanks for you input, I have a few comments:
On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 11:02:47AM -0300, Jose-Luis Rivas wrote:
> On Thu May 2, 2024 at 9:21 PM -03, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> > Right, note that they acknowledged this policy is a working in progress. Not
> > perfect, but 'something
On Thu, May 02, 2024 at 08:21:28PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> So I'm actually more concerned about LLM being mindlessly applied in
> our communication processes (NM, bts, debconf, irc, planet, wiki,
> website, debian.net stuff, etc) than one using some AI-assisted code
> in our infra, at
On Thu May 2, 2024 at 9:21 PM -03, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> Right, note that they acknowledged this policy is a working in progress. Not
> perfect, but 'something needed to be done, quickly'. It's hard to find a
> balance here, but I kind of share this sense of urgency.
>
> [...]
>
> This
On Fri, May 03, 2024 at 01:04:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> If I would hear that other Debian developers use them in that context, I
> would seriously question whether there is any value to spend my
> volunteer time in keeping debian/copyright files accurate to the level
> of details our
Hi,
>> Generative AI tools **produce** derivatives of other people's copyrighted
>> works.
>
>They *can* do that, but so can humans (and will). Humans look at a
>product or code and write new code that sometimes resembles the
>original very much.
Can I ask the LLM where it was probably
On Thu, 2024-05-02 at 20:47 +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> > t's just another tool that might or might not be non-free like people
> > using Photoshop, Google Chrome, Gmail, Windows, ... to make
> > contributions. Or a spamfilter to filter out some.
>
> That's entirely not the point.
>
> It
Le Thu, May 02, 2024 at 02:01:20PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz a écrit :
>
> I would like Debian to discuss and decide on the usage of AI-generated content
> within the project.
Hi Tiago,
as a Debian developer I refrain from using commercial AI to genereate
code used in my packaging work or
Hi Russ,
On Thu, May 02, 2024 at 11:59:10AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes:
>
> > I personally agree with the author's rationale on the aspects pointed
> > out (copyright, quality and ethical ones). But at this point I guess we
> > might have more questions than
At 2024-05-02T16:31:39-0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
>> Generative AI tools **produce** derivatives of other people's
>> copyrighted works.
>
>> That said, we already have the necessary policies in place:
>
> Russ pointed out this is a fairly complicated claim.
>
> It is absolutely true that
> "Dominik" == Dominik George writes:
Dominik> Generative AI tools **produce** derivatives of other people's
copyrighted works.
Dominik> That said, we already have the necessary policies in place:
Russ pointed out this is a fairly complicated claim.
It is absolutely true that
On Thu, May 02, 2024 at 08:47:31PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >It's just another tool that might or might not be non-free like people
> >using Photoshop, Google Chrome, Gmail, Windows, ... to make
> >contributions. Or a spamfilter to filter out some.
>
> That's entirely not the
On 5/2/24 14:01, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
You might already know that recently Gentoo made a strong move in this context
and drafted their AI policy:
- https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/AI_policy
- https://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg99042.html
People
> "Ansgar" == Ansgar writes:
Ansgar> Hi,
Ansgar> On Thu, 2024-05-02 at 14:01 -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
>> I would like Debian to discuss and decide on the usage of AI-
>> generated content within the project.
Ansgar> It's just another tool that might or might
On 5/2/24 14:47, Dominik George wrote:
That's entirely not the point.
It is not about **the tool** being non-free, but the result of its use being
non-free.
Generative AI tools **produce** derivatives of other people's copyrighted works.
Yes. That includes the case where LLMs generates
Tiago Bortoletto Vaz writes:
> I personally agree with the author's rationale on the aspects pointed
> out (copyright, quality and ethical ones). But at this point I guess we
> might have more questions than answers, that's why I think it'd be
> helpful to have some input before suggesting any
Hi,
>It's just another tool that might or might not be non-free like people
>using Photoshop, Google Chrome, Gmail, Windows, ... to make
>contributions. Or a spamfilter to filter out some.
That's entirely not the point.
It is not about **the tool** being non-free, but the result of its use
Hi,
On Thu, 2024-05-02 at 14:01 -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> I would like Debian to discuss and decide on the usage of AI-
> generated content within the project.
It's just another tool that might or might not be non-free like people
using Photoshop, Google Chrome, Gmail, Windows, ... to
Hi,
I would like Debian to discuss and decide on the usage of AI-generated content
within the project. I fear that we are already facing negative consequences in
some areas of Debian as a result of its use. If I happen to be wrong, I'm still
afraid that it will happen in a very short time.
You
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