Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-05-03 Thread Terry McKenna
/This may or may not be related. I posted this bug back in October regarding the black screen on nvidia using the weekly build. ///https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=971871 / Points to note: I mostly install "ssh" and "system tools" first, then reboot as a smoke test. Then I

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-05-02 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Cyril Brulebois dixit: >Lucas Nussbaum (2021-04-24): >> C) Do nothing and document this in the release notes > >As said above, I strongly recommend against this. Right… what about, add another Plan C… C) When X won’t work, fail gracefully, show a console login … and dump the above to Plan D?

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-04-26 Thread Aurélien COUDERC
Le dimanche 25 avril 2021, 13:18:03 CEST Rebecca N. Palmer a écrit : > Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > getting my hands on relevant hardware is in progress > > Note that https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2021/04/msg00247.html > implies the affected hardware is _not_ simply "all AMD/ATI or NVidia

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 25/04/21 at 11:04 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > B) In the installer, detect that firmware-amd-graphics or > > firmware-misc-nonfree should be installed, and either install it (?), > > or redirect the user to the unofficial installer that includes them. > > That could be achieved for an

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-04-25 Thread Rebecca N. Palmer
Cyril Brulebois wrote: getting my hands on relevant hardware is in progress Note that https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2021/04/msg00247.html implies the affected hardware is _not_ simply "all AMD/ATI or NVidia hardware". Do we know of hardware that is reproducibly affected? YunQiang

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
[ cc+=-x@ ] Hi Lucas, Thanks for your summary, I'm not sure about every single detail, but it seems to be a good basis for discussion. I might point to it from our errata page (I didn't have a specific bug report when I wrote the most recent entries):

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-25 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Lucas Nussbaum wrote (Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:30:03 +0200): > With Debian 10, the behaviour was that the installation succeeded > without installing firmware-* packages, and then, and the first boot, X > would start in a "degraded" mode (using, for example, the vesa driver). > The user would

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-04-25 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 24/04/21 at 20:07 +0200, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > Du schriebst in gmane.linux.debian.devel.release: > > Lucas Nussbaum writes: > >> It looks like the three open paths for resolution are: > >> > >> A) understand and restore the behaviour from Debian 10, that is, get X > >> to work in a

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-04-24 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Du schriebst in gmane.linux.debian.devel.release: > Lucas Nussbaum writes: >> It looks like the three open paths for resolution are: >> >> A) understand and restore the behaviour from Debian 10, that is, get X >> to work in a degraded mode after installation. How it worked with Debian >> 10 (and

Re: Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue

2021-04-24 Thread Ansgar
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > It looks like the three open paths for resolution are: > > A) understand and restore the behaviour from Debian 10, that is, get X > to work in a degraded mode after installation. How it worked with Debian > 10 (and why it doesn't with Debian 11) is unknown. > > B) In the

Tentative summary of the AMD/ATI/NVidia issue (was: Finding a tentative bullseye release date)

2021-04-24 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 24/04/21 at 09:25 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > Hi, > > Cyril Brulebois wrote (Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:13:15 +0200): > > D-I Bullseye RC 1 was published a few hours ago. And at the risk of > > sounding like a broken record: I have *absolutely no guarantee* to > > have a fix or workaround for the