Re: Getting KDE 3.1

2003-08-29 Thread William Bradley
On Friday 29 August 2003 05:08 pm, Andreas Janssen wrote: > Hello > > Grand Apeiron (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > > Andreas Janssen wrote: > >> As far as I know there is no backport of KDE 3.1.3 for Sarge. This > >> question has been discussed recently on debian-user-german, and I > >> think at th

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:01:23 +0100 Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, that's interesting - the for loop's running from 0 to 9, so it > prints "81", not "100". Yes, range(x) does 0 to x-1. This is for stuff like this (and this is a bad example)... for x in range(10): baz[x] = foo[x]

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:41:46 +0100, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:48:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:54:47AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > You could just sit tight and be patient during the slow ti

Re: is exim attempting to relay ???

2003-08-29 Thread Michael D Schleif
Kevin Buhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:08:29:16:23:59-0700] scribed: > "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Then, somehow -- this is the part that I do not understand, and that I > > want to *STOP* happening -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > attempts to send an email -- containing this 550 e

Kde&sid: alt+f2 sometimes doesn't work

2003-08-29 Thread Joan Tur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo! There are some programs I am not able to run using alt+f2. Openoffice 1.0.3 never opens using alt+f2: HD begins to read, the pop up screen appears and then it stops reading from HD and pop up dissapears showing no error 8-? It has also hap

Re: make-kpkg compiled kernel is too big

2003-08-29 Thread Kevin McKinley
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:56:09 +0300 Alphonse Ogulla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fatal: Kernel /boot/vmlinux is too big > > compiled kernel as follows:- > atlas:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg --initrd clean kernel_image > and also tried > atlas:/usr/src/linux# make-kpkg clean binary > > Where could I

Console login banner appears twice

2003-08-29 Thread Roberto Sanchez
I recently setup a new machine with Woody, and I think I changed something that causes the console login banner to appear twice when logging locally or remotely via SSH. Basically what I get is this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux isl 2.4.21-1 #1 SMP Mon Aug 25 20:33:28 EDT 2003

Re: is exim attempting to relay ???

2003-08-29 Thread Kevin Buhr
"Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > However, correct me if I'm wrong, it looks to me that -- initially -- > fetchmail gets an email message from one of my many remote mail servers, > and passes it off to exim for local processing. > > The To: header is mangled, and noted, and 550

Re: other debian installer tactic?

2003-08-29 Thread Kevin McKinley
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:02:23 +0200 Alfredo Valles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 26 August 2003 5:58 am, Kent West wrote: > > > Wonderful goal! But what you're asking for is a different distribution, > > which has been done already: Corel, Libranet, Knoppix, Xandros, etc. > > What bothe

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Yves Goergen
On Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:50 AM CET, Harshwardhan Nagaonkar wrote: > Ofcourse, there is a sort-of stripped down version of mozilla mail > without much of the bulk, called Thunderbird. It also has many extra > features too (anyone who knows more about thunderbird, please don't > flame me, I ha

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:03, Pigeon wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:05:31AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 00:59, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:02:23PM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: >

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Harshwardhan Nagaonkar
Yves Goergen wrote: Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: Mozilla Mail -- Tried that one before. Looks quite nice, though very big, Ofcourse, there is a sort-of stripped down version of mozilla mail without much of the bulk, called Thunderbird. It also has many extra features too (anyone

kmail, testing

2003-08-29 Thread David Corbin
I'm noticing two oddities for kmail in testing. 1) the menubar for the main window is "screwed up". Specificially, the last three items on the bar are "No text!", and each of those three menus are "doubled up back to back". ABCDABCD, or ABAB - that is, the first X items are repeated, where X

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 16:28, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:03:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:30:57PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote: >

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
--ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:27:51PM -0700, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Kirk Strauser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >=20 > > At 2003-08-27T11:41:17Z, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROT

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 10:41, Pigeon wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:48:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:54:47AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > You could just sit tight and be patient during the slow times, or you > > > > could donate more resources to help comba

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-29 Thread Cam Ellison
* Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: enough. What isn't it covering? How do I know?) > > Uh, by testing? It is far easier to set something up and test it than it > is to learn the whole freakin' system from scratch. From what I've seen of > your setup Shorewall would hand it trivially.

Re: Passing parameters to a telnet session?

2003-08-29 Thread Kevin Buhr
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Does anyone know if there is a way to pass a parameter to a telnet session? A mechanism exists for the "telnet" client to send arbitrary environment variables to the "telnetd" server. The Debian version of the client will send USER (if "-a" or "-l" is

lvm boot partition and grub

2003-08-29 Thread Benedict Verheyen
Hi, i have successfuly switched my system to lvm. First i had "normal" partitions on hda and an empty hdb. Then hda started to display weird problems so i thought i would move all to hdb and also make it all lvm. hda is an old small drive anyway, so it's time for it to go to the eternal hardware

Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:09:10 -0500, Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [...] I have a few dozen small programs that I've tacked a GPL notice onto just in case, yet that have never ventured off of my hard disk because they are one half st

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
--IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 04:35:04PM -0800, Britton wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron

Re: libc6 in unstable

2003-08-29 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 17:48, Carlos Sousa wrote: > I'm tracking testing, but there are quite a few packages I usually get > from unstable (openoffice.org, sylpheed, mozilla, etc), that are > currently piling up on my wait queue because of their recent dependency > on libc6 >= 2.3.2, which I've lea

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Yves Goergen
Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > (...) > Since you asked, here is a list of options I've heard of : > > . Mahogany > . Mozilla Mail > . Pegasus > . The Bat! > . Eudora > (...) OK, I just took a look at them... The Bat! -- Sorry, this is not free. 25 USD... And it look

Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Thomas Krennwallner
Hi! On Fri Aug 29, 2003 at 09:45:01PM +0200, Henning Moll wrote: > So, the big question is: What does distribute mean? For example: > > A system administrator writes a little handy perl script using some > gpl'd perl libraries (as mentioned in the gpl-faq, this is linking, > and therefore, the ne

Re: System clock GMT or not

2003-08-29 Thread James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:41 am, Rex Chan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 01:54:49PM +1000, James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Debian has a system configuration tool but I can't remember exactly what > > it's called..something like base-config. > > > > Basically, in the file /etc/adjtime on

libc6 in unstable

2003-08-29 Thread Carlos Sousa
Could anybody running unstable please tell me if there are any current major problems with libc6 currently in unstable, version 2.3.2-4, for the i386 platform? I'm tracking testing, but there are quite a few packages I usually get from unstable (openoffice.org, sylpheed, mozilla, etc), that are cu

Re: deb from source

2003-08-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 09:39:59PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 02:39:13PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:26:13PM +1000, Russell Shaw wrote: > > > tar -xzvf gtk+2.0_2.2.1.orig.tar.gz > > > gunzipgtk+2.0_2.2.1-6.diff.gz > > > > > > patch -p0 <

unsubscribe

2003-08-29 Thread Pawel Musial
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Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:09:10 -0500, Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:42, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > > Hopefully a (quick) question...if I make a product which is open > > source I don't have to *distribute* the product, do I? > >

Re: Getting KDE 3.1

2003-08-29 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Grand Apeiron (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Andreas Janssen wrote: >> As far as I know there is no backport of KDE 3.1.3 for Sarge. This >> question has been discussed recently on debian-user-german, and I >> think at the moment you either have to wait or get the packages from >> unstable.

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:38, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:47:34 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 08:30, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:19:10 -0500 > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I wouldn't be surprised if mo

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-29 Thread Bijan Soleymani
--zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:03:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:30:57PM -0500, Ro

Re: scsi device for cdrdao

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:02:56AM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote: > I am trying to create a vcd using cdrdao. I have been happily making > cd's with cdrecord using dev=0,0 but when I try to use '--device 0,0,0' > with cdrdao it says it can't open /dev/sg0. My cd burner is /dev/scd0. > > What is the pr

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:48:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:54:47AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > You could just sit tight and be patient during the slow times, or you > > > could donate more resources to help combat the crap that wastes the > > > resources SPI alre

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:54:01PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:14:14AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > Absolutely. In fact, it's probably a good idea to learn C++ without knowing > > C first in that you'll probably be much more comfortable with the style if > > you're n

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:05:31AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 00:59, Paul Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:02:23PM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > > > The world jumped off the IBM PC cliff, so we're st

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:33:40AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:07, Pigeon wrote: > > > > - There isn't an explicit end-of-block delimiter. A tab to start a > > block; what ends it? A tab that isn't there? Yuck. > > As a long-time Python programmer, I must say, "Huh?". Wh

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:39:51PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:29:52PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote: > > I've never understood people who are religious about that. It's the > > same amount of effort whether you do it when you first write the if, > > or when you add somethin

Re: VIA CPU's - noise

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:28:03PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Pigeon wrote: > > > > > the cpu doesn't make any noise :-) ( sorry couldn't resist ) > > > > It makes LOTS of noise... try listening to an AM radio placed anywhere > > near the PC... it just doesn't make any sound

Re: deb from source

2003-08-29 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 02:39:13PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:26:13PM +1000, Russell Shaw wrote: > > I'm trying to build gtk2.0-dbg .deb from source. > > > > I downloaded: > > gtk+2.0_2.2.1-6.dsc > > gtk+2.0_2.2.1-6.diff.gz > > gtk+2.0_2.2.1.orig.tar.gz > > > >

Re: [OT-ish] IGPL - Idea General Public Licence

2003-08-29 Thread John Hasler
Arnt Karlsen writes: > ...ideas can be patented if, and _only_ if... No. _Inventions_ can be patented etc, etc. 'Idea' is not a synonym for 'invention'. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "un

Re: open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:05:14 -0400, David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [1] I've run into a fair bit of GPL'd PalmOS software. While free > software is well and good, the main way handheld software seems to get > shared is by IR beaming -- which is binary-on

Re: Getting KDE 3.1

2003-08-29 Thread Grand Apeiron
Hi, afaik, the version of kde in unstable is 3.1.3, isnt it? so where is the diffrence bettween the packages from kde.org and the ones from the unstable tree? thanx and greetings, Grand Apeiron Andreas Janssen wrote: As far as I know there is no backport of KDE 3.1.3 for Sarge. This question has b

Re: What is the most cost effective DVD Burner for Linux?

2003-08-29 Thread Mark Roach
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:17, Jake Johnson wrote: > I am in the market for a DVD burner and was hoping for some insight about > DvD Burners! Please don't crosspost. You asked this question yesterday, did you see the responses? -Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: How do I install a second harddrive

2003-08-29 Thread Neal Lippman
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 14:38, Wathen, Metherion wrote: > Hi all, > I know that sounds stoopid, but I'm having trouble finding info > that tells me what I need to do to get a second harddrive on my system > recognized by linux. > When i boot the system dmesg clearly shows hdb as found. > however I do

Re: What is the most cost effective DVD Burner for Linux?

2003-08-29 Thread Michael Heironimus
> On Friday 29 August 2003 10:17 am, Jake Johnson wrote: > Be aware that equipment can be rebranded and sold for less. Cendyne(sp?) > repackages the Pioneer A105 dvd-r under the Cendyne label and chargers > quite a bit less. Just a quick note about Cendyne - I heard that they're in the process o

Re: New Kernel, no network

2003-08-29 Thread Punit Ahluwalia
Where do I find options for config_socket and config_filter in kernel for dhcp client. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How do I install a second harddrive

2003-08-29 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
Wathen, Metherion wrote: [...] So my question is 1) what do I use to 'see' the 2nd harddrive You need to a) partition it (fdisk or cfdisk) b) format it (mkXYZfs, where XYZ is the filesystem-type of your choice) c) mount it (mount and/or fstab) 2) how do I format it for use w/o messing up my 1st dr

Re: Did I send that? (reading postfix logs)

2003-08-29 Thread Emma Jane Hogbin
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:14:00PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:12 -0500 > "DePriest, Jason R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SPAM relaying would not need telnet or anything like that to work. You > > would just need a poorly (i.e. default settings) configured MTA that wil

Re: scsi device for cdrdao

2003-08-29 Thread Carlos Sousa
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:17:21 -0400 Rick Pasotto wrote: > I did three things: > > chown root.cdrom /dev/sg0 OK. > chown root.cdrom /usr/bin/cdrdao > chmod u+s /usr/bin/cdrdao If I were you I would reverse these 2 steps. All you should need after the first step above is to add your user to the cd

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On 29 Aug 2003 10:26:57 -0400, Bret Comstock Waldow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Yes, this is a fun place we all get to be individuals in, joking with > each other. OTOH, I'm a Software Quality Assurance Analyst for a > living, and you don't leave users high and

Re: deb from source

2003-08-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 02:19:49AM +1000, Russell Shaw wrote: > Ok, i started again, but i still get the md5sum error. Could the > downloaded debian package be in error? With the errors you're getting, this seems unlikely. > I've downloaded it twice from the bottom of this page: > http://packages

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 02:26:23AM +1000, Russell Shaw wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 19:18, Colin Watson wrote: > >>Amen, brother. I spend a fair bit of my time in Debian trying to stop > >>people from rewriting things and getting them to fix existing code > >>instead. It's a

Re: modules of different kernels (same version)

2003-08-29 Thread Robert Epprecht
Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert Epprecht (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > >> If I compile different kernels (of the same version) most documents >> say to rename the /lib/modules/x.x.x/ directory before doing the >> 'make modules_install' step. >> >> How can I boot the system a

Re: New kernel

2003-08-29 Thread Joris Huizer
--- Victory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After I making the kernel image and install it, then > I reboot > The new kernel did not updated How come ??? > > The old kernel is 2.4.8-bf2.4 > The new one s/b 2.4.8.030829 > The system boot fine after rebooted. > > Regards, > Victor > Did you update

Re: Did I send that? (reading postfix logs)

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:12 -0500 "DePriest, Jason R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SPAM relaying would not need telnet or anything like that to work. You > would just need a poorly (i.e. default settings) configured MTA that will > relay mail for ~any~ domain instead of just the local domains yo

Re: How do I install a second harddrive

2003-08-29 Thread Chris Wilcox
Not done it on Debian but I guess it's similar to how I did it with RH9: fdisk /dev/hdb (or hdc or hdd depending which IDE channel the drive is on and whether it's master or slave). This will let you partition the drive and typing 'm' will show you the available commands. Create 1 or more part

Re: How do I install a second harddrive

2003-08-29 Thread Peter Nuttall
On Friday 29 Aug 2003 7:38 pm, Wathen, Metherion wrote: > Hi all, > I know that sounds stoopid, but I'm having trouble finding info > that tells me what I need to do to get a second harddrive on my system > recognized by linux. > When i boot the system dmesg clearly shows hdb as found. > however I

RE: Did I send that? (reading postfix logs)

2003-08-29 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
> -Original Message- > From: Emma Jane Hogbin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:44 PM > To: debian-user > Subject: Did I send that? (reading postfix logs) > > > Hey everyone, > > I'm just scanning through my /var/log/mail.log and am > confused by some of > the

Re: What is the most cost effective DVD Burner for Linux?

2003-08-29 Thread Greg Madden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 29 August 2003 10:17 am, Jake Johnson wrote: > I am in the market for a DVD burner and was hoping for some insight > about DvD Burners! > > Thanks, > Jake Johnson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be aware that equipment can be rebranded and sold for less

How do I install a second harddrive

2003-08-29 Thread Wathen, Metherion
Hi all, I know that sounds stoopid, but I'm having trouble finding info that tells me what I need to do to get a second harddrive on my system recognized by linux. When i boot the system dmesg clearly shows hdb as found. however I don't know what to do to see the contents (if any) of hdb in a progr

Re: [OT-ish] IGPL - Idea General Public Licence

2003-08-29 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:47:38 -0500, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hubert Chan writes: > > Ideas cannot be copyrighted. In order to protect an idea, you need > > to patent it... > > You are not supposed to be able to patent an idea either. > Unfortunat

Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Henning Moll
On Friday 29 August 2003 19:39, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote: > Since you don't distribute, you don't _need_ to put it under GPL. But > simultaniously, you _must not_ distribute it under any other license. So, the big question is: What does distribute mean? For example: A system administrator writes

Did I send that? (reading postfix logs)

2003-08-29 Thread Emma Jane Hogbin
Hey everyone, I'm just scanning through my /var/log/mail.log and am confused by some of the entries...I should note that I'm on a laptop, connected to a home network (no firewall, but no other people at home right now). Aug 29 15:07:00 debian postfix/smtp[3728]: 8B6FB3A5E2: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:47:34 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 08:30, Steve Lamb wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:19:10 -0500 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I wouldn't be surprised if most Python programmers prefer BSD style. > > I find it t

New kernel

2003-08-29 Thread Victory
After I making the kernel image and install it, then I reboot The new kernel did not updated How come ??? The old kernel is 2.4.8-bf2.4 The new one s/b 2.4.8.030829 The system boot fine after rebooted. Regards, Victor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscrib

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:32:08 +0200 Anders Arnholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:33:40AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:07, Pigeon wrote: > > set tabstop=4 > So thats why all code form other Python programers look like shit and > dont line up, not

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Yves Goergen (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Sorry to come in here with my Outlook Express... (still looking for a > 'better' MUA for Win32) I can't provide a fully informational quoting > line at the top, I'll try my best. But every each and then, for some > mysterious reason, Outlook Expre

Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Michael Heironimus
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:42:49AM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Hopefully a (quick) question...if I make a product which is open source I > don't have to *distribute* the product, do I? > > Background: a potential client may or may not understand the benefits of > open source work. If I make s

Re: procmail filters

2003-08-29 Thread Stephen Patterson
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:10:08 +0200, Lou Losee wrote: > * gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-08-28 23:59]: >> I am trying to filter some mail as a user using the .procmailrc file in the >> home directoty. For instance I want to move incoming email to for example >> the folder Debian Users. Does anyone

Firebird 1.0.3 (the database) and debian 3.0

2003-08-29 Thread Geraldo Lopes de souza
Hi, I'm setting up a debian box to be database server. I've installed Debian 3.0 r1, bf24. I would like to know if there are someone that has Firebird 1.0.3 with Debian 3 in production ? If so please post the details (Classic, Superserver, IO32, IO64 etc) It is safe to use the binary distributi

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:27, Anders Arnholm wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:35:25AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 03:35, Anders Arnholm wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:32:07PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 11:06, Alan Shutko wrote: > > > T

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:32, Anders Arnholm wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:33:40AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:07, Pigeon wrote: > > set tabstop=4 > > So thats why all code form other Python programers look like shit and > dont line up, not that a tab is 8 spaces wi

Re: Spamassassin + exim

2003-08-29 Thread Jeff Elkins
On Friday 29 August 2003 2:01 pm, Steve Lamb wrote: >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:23:51 -0400 > >Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Is there a FAQ available for setting up Spamassassin and exim? Googling >> found several for SA + postfix, but not for exim. > >Ya sure about that? Seems to me

Re: Sound Blaster Audigy and ati radeon 9800 not seen by kernel 2.4.18

2003-08-29 Thread Mental Patient
Antonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a sound blaster audigy card and an ati radeon 9800, none of them seem to be visible to the kernel 2.4.18 (woody source) that I compiled. According to what I have seen, emu10k1 should work with this card, but insmod is not working for the reason that the card

Re: FW: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 11:54, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > And what I've seen of the larger stuff in Java, it's horrably slow and > > > unreliable. So if it's too elephantine for little

Re: Spamassassin + exim

2003-08-29 Thread Michael Heldebrant
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 12:23, Jeff Elkins wrote: > Is there a FAQ available for setting up Spamassassin and exim? Googling found > several for SA + postfix, but not for exim. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Elkins > I'm not sure if there is a complete FAQ available. This is how I have spamc integrated i

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:30:59 -0400 Derrick 'dman' Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 06:54:48PM +0200, Yves Goergen wrote: > | Sorry to come in here with my Outlook Express... (still looking for > | a 'better' MUA for Win32) > Since you asked, here is a list of options I'

Re: Spamassassin + exim

2003-08-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:23:51PM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote: | Is there a FAQ available for setting up Spamassassin and exim? | Googling found several for SA + postfix, but not for exim. Try again. http://www.google.com/search?q=exim%20spamassassin Or look on the spamassassin home page. There

Re: Spamassassin + exim

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:23:51 -0400 Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a FAQ available for setting up Spamassassin and exim? Googling > found several for SA + postfix, but not for exim. Ya sure about that? Seems to me that the 2nd link for a search on "Spamassassin Exim" is pre

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Anders Arnholm
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:33:40AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:07, Pigeon wrote: > set tabstop=4 So thats why all code form other Python programers look like shit and dont line up, not that a tab is 8 spaces wide and will stay that way for ever everything else is PLAIN fuc

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Anders Arnholm
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 08:35:25AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 03:35, Anders Arnholm wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 01:32:07PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 11:06, Alan Shutko wrote: > > Thats about what I'm using, but vim i cmode is aloot more powe

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 08:30, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:19:10 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't be surprised if most Python programmers prefer BSD style. > > I find it the worst of the three I presented. Color me surprised. Why do you think it's th

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-29 Thread bob parker
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:37, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:56:02 +1000 > > bob parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, but does a man with a 'puter have to have a woman? > > Depends. Does he have a decent news feed? Yeah I was forgetting about that, without her I'd never get the

Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
Russell Shaw wrote: Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: [...] If you sell the product to just one person, then you only need to distribute any GPL source code to that *one* person (IIRC). But that means that there are already two persons who have the code... If you develop a program that is based on GPL-comp

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-29 Thread bob parker
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:15, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 01:56, bob parker wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:37, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:13:47 -0500 > > > > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What brand of fans and CPU cooler do you use? > > > > >

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 06:54:48PM +0200, Yves Goergen wrote: | Sorry to come in here with my Outlook Express... (still looking for | a 'better' MUA for Win32) Since you asked, here is a list of options I've heard of : . Mahogany . Mozilla Mail . Pegasus . The Bat! .

Spamassassin + exim

2003-08-29 Thread Jeff Elkins
Is there a FAQ available for setting up Spamassassin and exim? Googling found several for SA + postfix, but not for exim. Thanks, Jeff Elkins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-29 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
Apparently, Bret Comstock Waldow recently wrote: > On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 10:44, Steve Lamb wrote: >> On 29 Aug 2003 10:26:57 -0400 >> Bret Comstock Waldow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Yes, this is a fun place we all get to be individuals in, joking with >> > each other. OTOH, I'm a Software Qu

Re: [OT] open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:42, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote: > Hopefully a (quick) question...if I make a product which is open source I > don't have to *distribute* the product, do I? > > Background: a potential client may or may not understand the benefits of > open source work. If I make something for

Re: X-Terminal laptops?

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:26:57 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm amazed nobody's come up with x terminals in laptop form factor... I'm amazed that as cheap as used laptops are these days that terminals still exist. Last time I checked one could get a decent laptop for X or VNC

Re: open source distribution

2003-08-29 Thread David Z Maze
Emma Jane Hogbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hopefully a (quick) question...if I make a product which is open > source I don't have to *distribute* the product, do I? I don't think anything compels you to distribute it, no. But if you do distribute it you generally have to distribute it with s

RE: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-29 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
> Beyond that, I'm willing to put in the time to learn. I'm doing that > now. > > Cheers, > Bret If you want to spend some time getting down and dirty with iptables and Linux firewalls, I suggest reading a good book. I have the first and second editions of 'Linux Firewalls' published by New Rider

Re: FW: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread bob parker
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:18, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:06:23AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Or the poster doesn't know much about Java. Having used Java, I'd > > say that Java isn't good for small programs/quick hacks. > > And what I've seen of the larger stuff in Java, it's

Re: X-Terminal laptops?

2003-08-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:16:33AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > The components are more expensive than their full-sized counter- > parts. I don't see how, expect for the LCD. Take apart an NCD Xplora if you ever get a chance. The mainboard could easi

Re: how to get ssh-agent to work again?

2003-08-29 Thread Ryan Nowakowski
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 07:11:12PM +0200, Alexander Koch wrote: > I was using gdm for some time and it worked nicely. > At some point I was only using xinit and it worked > and only with xinit I have my umlauts (tricky case, > long story). > > Now, where do I have to put ssh-agent in my .xinitrc >

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
On 29 Aug 2003 12:16:04 -0400 Bret Comstock Waldow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, I can invest my time into studying their proprietary systems, or... All systems are proprietary. Debian is proprietary to Debian. Instead of learning Red-Hatisms you're learning Debianims. > How much study d

Sound Blaster Audigy and ati radeon 9800 not seen by kernel 2.4.18

2003-08-29 Thread Antonio Rodr@P
I have a sound blaster audigy card and an ati radeon 9800, none of them seem to be visible to the kernel 2.4.18 (woody source) that I compiled. According to what I have seen, emu10k1 should work with this card, but insmod is not working for the reason that the card is invisible. Any ideas what co

Re: FW: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08:13AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > And what I've seen of the larger stuff in Java, it's horrably slow and > > unreliable. So if it's too elephantine for little stuff and two slow > > and warped for the big stuff, just wha

Re: Quoting

2003-08-29 Thread Yves Goergen
Von: "Paul Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:36:47AM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote: > > Also, when quoted text follows a top post, you often *still* scroll to > > the end to make sure there is no additional new info. > > Righ

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